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Cykotic

20-Jul-2006, 04:09 PM

http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/joelsiegel.mp3

Okay, I've only just heard about this, Apparently during a critics screening of Clerks 2, Joel Siegel stood up and walked out... fine, if a critic doesn't like a movie, thats their deal. But when a critic causes a disruption during the screening, that's enough to p**s anyone off, so Kevin Smith went on the radio to discuss the situation, when the hosts of the show called Joel to get a response to the comments...

This is what happened....

p2501

20-Jul-2006, 04:18 PM

good find!

Tullaryx

20-Jul-2006, 04:19 PM

That explanation and excuse Siegel gave just shows why the majority of filmgoers see film critics as elitist, snobbish and condescending. Kevin Smith should've let Jay loose on his ass Buffalo Bill-style.

bassman

20-Jul-2006, 04:55 PM

Damn. I can't see it.:mad:

Can somebody fill me in on what happened?

I'm eagerly awaiting the release of "Clerks 2" this Friday. I'll probably be there right after work.:)

Cykotic

20-Jul-2006, 04:58 PM

EvilNed

20-Jul-2006, 05:44 PM

This doesn't bode well. Makes me wonder if Clerks 2 is just as bad as Kevin Smith's other recent films.

bassman

20-Jul-2006, 05:49 PM

This doesn't bode well. Makes me wonder if Clerks 2 is just as bad as Kevin Smith's other recent films.

If you're going to judge by a review.....for christ's sake, don't do it by Joel Siegel's. He just thinks he knows movies....

Every other review that I've read says the film is great and stays true to the original. Besides, what was so bad about his recent flicks? "Jersey Girl" was nothing special but still a decent movie. "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" wasn't that bad. It had it's moments of laughter but was nothing compared to "Chasing Amy" and the others, I'll give you that...

My least favorite is still "Dogma". Although a good flick, it really let me down.

Adrenochrome

20-Jul-2006, 06:49 PM

Ok, basically, Kevin Smith is invited on a radio to talk about Joel Siegel and his comments... well, hilarity (spellcheck please?) ensues when the hosts of the show call siegel to let him discuss what happened... Smith and Siegel begin a hilarious debate over the movie...

Basically, Joel Siegel gets pwned!!!
Good Gracious!!!!
If you're trying to make a serious point, don't use the term "pwned". Hell, the "word" can't even be pronounced.
Anyhoooooo, I NEVER listen to "critics".
I've seen Mr. Smith's movies and find them "watchable". I don't think he's the "comedic genius" that people claim he is. The first Clerks was laughable.....once.....
everything else is "blah funny".

bassman

20-Jul-2006, 07:10 PM

Good Gracious!!!!
If you're trying to make a serious point, don't use the term "pwned". Hell, the "word" can't even be pronounced.
Anyhoooooo, I NEVER listen to "critics".
I've seen Mr. Smith's movies and find them "watchable". I don't think he's the "comedic genius" that people claim he is. The first Clerks was laughable.....once.....
everything else is "blah funny".

I can see where you're coming from....but "Chasing Amy" is definitely not "blah funny". The rest of them...maybe. But not "Chasing Amy".:p

"I'm telling you that chick is probably a bigger germ farm than that monkey in Outbreak" -Banky

thxleo

20-Jul-2006, 07:29 PM

bassman

20-Jul-2006, 07:47 PM

After listening to that it shows Kevin Smith to be the immature hack he has become. Siegel tried to have a real converstion with him but he just acted like a high school kid.
If you really look at his body of work you can see that the original "Clerks" is the only film he has done that is any good. "Dogma" is one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever seen. Didn't Smith say that he was done with Jay & Silent Bob after "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back"? But after he laid that huge egg with "Jersey Girl", he runs right back to something safe. It's too bad, because I really love that first film.

I haven't had a chance to listen to the radio thing(no audio:mad: ), but after reading about what Siegel did during the press screening.....Smith had a right to be immature and rude.

Smith said it himself....If you don't like the film, great. You want to give it the worst review ever and talk bad about it to everyone, great. Just do it after the film is over and don't stand up and intentionally try to attract everyone's attention away from the film. That's low. I'm sure Siegel got what he deserved.....maybe not enough. Keep in mind, I would say the same thing if a critic did the same to Zach Snyder or Uwe Boll.....

He says that they made a "Clerks 2" because Jason Mewes(Jay) was on drugs and Smith told him they would make another if he got clean. That's what he says, anyway....

MinionZombie

20-Jul-2006, 08:08 PM

Aye I saw that earlier on today too, it's a damn funny listen.

As for Clerks 2 - I can't fudging wait, I'm really looking forward to seeing this flick having been following Clerks 2: Trainwreck (vlog) for the past several months *sniffs ... someone's got a BBQ goin'* ... erm ... yeah, damn funny listen.

I'm totally with Smith on this too, how utterly unprofessional - you're PAID to watch movies and then review them ... but he just gets up 40 minutes (an hour, like Siegel said, my paper white ass) in after hearing DIALOGUE relating to a donkey show and then causes a spectacle in front of everyone else. What a f*cking n00b - like the hosts said.

If I had been there I'd have either gotten up and slapped Siegel silly or flat out told him to shut his ass up and get the fudge out.

But it's hardly surprising from someone with Magnum PI's "cum strainer" tash who is clearly far too old to be watching this movie ... or perhaps just too damn lame (with all his gay puns) to enjoy it.

Wasn't it also really, really gay how he kept saying Smith was such a great director, as if to make him less the bad guy and remove attention from the fact he was in the wrong, acted like a spoiled child when he should have been doing his job.

lol, what a dick ... but it'll get a bit more free advertising for the flick, good stuff.

Anyone have any idea when it's released in the UK? I can't find a date anywhere...

He says that they made a "Clerks 2" because Jason Mewes(Jay) was on drugs and Smith told him they would make another if he got clean. That's what he says, anyway....

I believe that was Strike Back, although there are conflicting stories/essays by Smith on that one, so... well, anyway, I think Smith rocks. He speaks to a very specific market mostly, so that's probably why some people hate him or don't dig his movies, but I'm in the target bracket and I'm lovin' every minute - even Jersey Girl - which WAS A GOOD MOVIE, I really did like it, it even had me with a lump in my throat, it was clearly a very personal film for Smith ... just like both Clerks ... and Dogma ... and Chasing Amy quite a bit too actually (I think Smith had a thing for a lesbian he met whilst in Cannes doing the thing for the original Clerks).

The sooner Clerks 2 gets to the UK the better, I'd better not be waiting around until fuggin' September like I had to with Land of the Dead ... still, that meant that I was able to get the DVD a mere 3 weeks after I'd seen it in the cinema opening night...

bassman

20-Jul-2006, 09:02 PM

(I think Smith had a thing for a lesbian he met whilst in Cannes doing the thing for the original Clerks).

Really? I thought I remembered hearing that most of "Chasing Amy" was based on his girlfriend that he split up with just before the film was made. Who also happened to be Alyssa Jones herself, Joey Lauren Adams.

The sooner Clerks 2 gets to the UK the better, I'd better not be waiting around until fuggin' September like I had to with Land of the Dead ... still, that meant that I was able to get the DVD a mere 3 weeks after I'd seen it in the cinema opening night...

Yeah...*cough cough* TOMORROW! :p :lol:

AcesandEights

20-Jul-2006, 11:18 PM

Wow, this really makes me miss Opie & Anthony. It's ashame they got kicked off of public radio in NYC because of that whole sex-olympics thing in the church.

Really? I thought I remembered hearing that most of "Chasing Amy" was based on his girlfriend that he split up with just before the film was made. Who also happened to be Alyssa Jones herself, Joey Lauren Adams.

This is true based on what I've heard, but various incidental inspirations can also be combined for inspiration of a story, so I don't automatically discount MZ's suggestion.

MinionZombie

21-Jul-2006, 08:16 AM

Indeed A&E, Smith was boning Joey Lauren Adams until after Chasing Amy was done, then they broke up. I remember reading some of Smith's diary excerpts that he'd put out, bits from his diary of Cannes 1994 when he was "pimping & whoring" Clerks. Out there he and Mosier met two girls, one of which was a lesbian ... it was skipped over fairly quickly, but he did appear to be quite enamoured with the girl from the excerpts.

That's what I figured it was based on...or at least inspired by...Chasing Amy is also inspired by Smith's own sex life ... sorta, lol, or of course his changing views on sex during his life.

EvilNed

21-Jul-2006, 10:34 AM

"Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" wasn't that bad. It had it's moments of laughter but was nothing compared to "Chasing Amy" and the others, I'll give you that...

If cinemas occasionally had to take a dump, and then screen that dump to the audience: Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back would be that dump. It IS that bad.

MinionZombie

21-Jul-2006, 05:28 PM

Well it certainly didn't help that Strike Back came out within a couple of weeks of 9/11...:rockbrow:

It's not his best work by far, but it's not a complete waste of time either. It's just a bit of fun, geez.

AcesandEights

21-Jul-2006, 06:42 PM

bassman

21-Jul-2006, 08:39 PM

I really liked Jay & Silent Bob Strikes Back. What were you expecting? War & Peace?

Of course the film isn't a landmark event, but people (Smith's fans, anyway) love those characters and it really served nicely for a lot of the fans to be able to revisit not just Jay & Silent Bob, but a lot of the others.

Right. "JSBSB" is a film for the fans. Now if only we could get some other directors to have that same mentality when making films. And in case you didn't already know.....I was refering to Snyder, Gunn, and Miner. There's still hope for Miner but it's not looking to good:shifty:

EvilNed

21-Jul-2006, 09:16 PM

I'm a fan. I'm a fan who's ****ing bloody cheated. Clerks was great. Dogma was nice and had great actors and dialoge. And then what do we get? We get something that's so low and stupid that not even the Wayan brothers could have pulled off something like this on their very worst day.

The films jokes are so stupid and retarded you feel like you're getting dumber just by watching it. I've seen it twice, and I had to check myself into a mental insitution afterwards because I was so depressed. How could someone who made Clerks go and do THAT?!

MinionZombie

21-Jul-2006, 10:02 PM

Damn straight, like Smith said, it's just a big in-joke with a whole bunch of stuff only big Smith fans will actually get, which is great. It's amazing they actually got to make the movie (20 million budget I think it was, made back 30 I think, so it was still a profit, just not their best). I've seen it quite a lot, so it's lost some of the effect for me now, I still like it though. It's just innocent, simple, quick, bosh that entertainment. Simple as.

EvilNed

22-Jul-2006, 01:54 AM

It's silly, stupid, not funny, boring, tedious, ludicrous and a complete disaster of a movie. Injokes? There were a few of them yes, but I find this argument to hold no water since alot of the film was made up of Will Ferrell and the stupid monkey. Any movie where Will Ferrell is actually shockingly boring rather than quirky and funny is definetly a big dud.

kortick

22-Jul-2006, 03:27 PM

isnt it a known thing that janet maslin
from the ny times walked out of
the original dawn in 78 after the
first 10 minutes and then gave the film
a trash review causing people to say
how can you trash a film you only saw 10 minutes of?

i love critics

MinionZombie

22-Jul-2006, 04:58 PM

I never heard about that, but if she did, what a moron. If you're PAID to review films then you should bloody well stick them out and give a proper review. She can be penned in with the sort of idiots who rant and rave about a certain type of media calling it disgusting, and yet they haven't seen it - any of it - there was a classic example here in the UK...

Back in 2000 (or was it 2002...erm, 2000 I think) there was a special of a comedy show called Brass Eye, a kind of p*ss-take of current affairs/news programmes. Anyway, the special was all about the media's reaction to paedophilia (i.e. there was a sudden mass-interest in the sick and twisted act by the media, news items, stories and documentaries were everywhere). The Brass Eye special 'Paedogeddon' (I think that was the title) took the mick out of this sort of media behaviour ... meanwhile the gubment types came out deploring it ... then a news reporter asked one woman (who I think was culture secretary at the time) had she actually seen it - she said she hadn't, but apparently that "didn't matter" ... shocking really.

coma

22-Jul-2006, 06:51 PM

That call was funny. "gay porn mustache". Classic!

I love Kevin Smith's movies. I don't care if 99.999% of the world hates them (not that they do) . I even liked Jersey Girl. I loved Strike Back, saw it in a theatre. I thought it was funny as hell.

Arcades057

22-Jul-2006, 11:22 PM

Jay and Silent Bob make any movie that they're in into gold. The movie had Will Ferrell, people. Will Ferrell. Let's not forget that it also had had her...

http://www.celebritywallpapers.org/wallpapers/shannonelizabeth/shannon_elizabeth_9.jpg

Need I say more?? Pic's a little big, but it NEEDS to be big to see that I think. :D

coma

23-Jul-2006, 12:16 AM

You said it ALL, bro.

Anything with Jay and Silent Bob is great.All Jay and Bob is greater than great. Take a negative opioion of Stike Back and make it opposite and thats my feeling.
I think its his best film, and it didnt have any of that awkward unnatural dialouge that all of his other films have moments of.

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