Contains Spoilers! TWD 6x02 "JSS" episode discussion... **SPOILERS WITHIN* [Archive]

MinionZombie

17-Oct-2015, 11:40 AM

Please keep all talk of episode 6x02 "JSS" specifically inside this thread.

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Directed by: Jennifer Lynch
Written by: Seth Hoffman

Jennifer Lynch returns for her 2nd episode in the Director's chair (she previously did "Spend" in Season 5, which was the episode where Noah bit the dust).

Moon Knight

17-Oct-2015, 10:15 PM

What does JSS stand for? Who's blowing the horn? Who's trying to enter Alexandria? Who really is Enid?

Yeah, I'm excited for this one.

facestabber

18-Oct-2015, 08:21 PM

What does JSS stand for? Who's blowing the horn? Who's trying to enter Alexandria? Who really is Enid?

Yeah, I'm excited for this one.

The writers love messin with us. I think Alexandria is getting attacked by non walkers primarily. The walls seem walker proof for the most part. This may be an all Carol/Carl episode with the horn toward the end. The way episode 1 ended has the Walker herders cutoff. Ofcourse I am usually wrong predicting this show

Moon Knight

18-Oct-2015, 10:54 PM

The writers love messin with us. I think Alexandria is getting attacked by non walkers primarily. The walls seem walker proof for the most part. This may be an all Carol/Carl episode with the horn toward the end. The way episode 1 ended has the Walker herders cutoff. Ofcourse I am usually wrong predicting this show

Definitely not Walkers. I'm gonna predict...
The Wolves or another scavenging group with the horn going off at the end.

Wolves not far.

zomtom

19-Oct-2015, 06:28 AM

Definitely not Walkers. I'm gonna predict...
The Wolves or another scavenging group with the horn going off at the end.

Wolves not far.

Looks like somebody had their crystal balls out! Great predictions. That was one hell of a good episode. I yelled so much at my television I have a sore throat. Thank God I was down in my man cave. I can't wait to watch it again later tonight. I always miss things the first time around. So far this season, this show is kicking some ass.

Moon Knight

19-Oct-2015, 01:24 PM

Man, this was awesome! One of the most brutal and barbaric episodes to date considering it was humans vs humans and hand to hand for the most part on the side of the Wolves. Getting stabbed, impaled, and chopped to pieces is far more horrific than being shot. I'll have tons more to say later!

Wolves weren't far.

MinionZombie

19-Oct-2015, 05:32 PM

CAROL! FUCK YEAH!

In some ways that's about all I really need to say about this episode, but I'll resist the urge and blather on regardless.

So it's The Wolves, then! Good (or bad) to see the pictures that got left behind in Season 5 bear rotten fruit for Alexandria, and blimey - brutal or what?! Best parts of the episode was Carol kicking MAJOR amounts of arse - Melissa McBride brought her A game in this episode. Homemaker Carol, Ass Kicking Carol, Sad Carol ... we ran the gamut here. The moment when the smoker lady got taken out by that machete-wielding Wolf I flipped my shit - very unexpected!!!

Enid - a great cold open to give us some info on the poor gal. Great stuff from Katelyn Nacon! Very dark with that sharp cut to her watching her parents slowly being devoured - that's a pretty messed up thing to witness! The tortoise moment, the bit where she almost didn't go into Alexandria ... excellent stuff all-round!

So they'll be pretty beaten up, but they've got more hell coming their way - no time to rest!!! :hyper:

Also - Ron can do one. I hate that kid. :elol: On another note: Jessie going full on Mamma Bear with the scissors on that wretched Wolf was awesome!

Oh! And the clash of minds/approaches between Carol and Morgan - very interesting and fertile ground there ... ooh, and Gabriel owning up and accepting a slice of reality (albeit tentatively), it's about time. OOOOOH, and Maggie bring on some Hershel vibes with Deanna (and good call on the boss lady to stay well clear and hang with Spencer). Deanna's had a pretty rough few days, eh?!

"...just survive somehow..."

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JDP

19-Oct-2015, 08:27 PM

and Maggie bring on some Hershel vibes with Deanna (and good call on the boss lady to stay well clear and hang with Spencer). Deanna's had a pretty rough few days, eh?!

I thought the zombies were going to show up while she was waiting outside for the Wolves' raid to end. That would have topped her bad luck.

DayoftheZ

19-Oct-2015, 11:29 PM

Great, great episode. That moment when the smoker woman got taken out was one of the truly iconic The Walking Dead moments in my opinion.

I enjoyed the Carol / Morgan dynamic way more than the Rick / Morgan dynamic of the previous episode and Carol yet again adds to the fact she is such a great character. Morgan is so interesting to watch and Lennie James is killing it with his acting chops. I hope he killed that Wolf at the end because it shows that he knows when to show restraint and when to step up which puts him firmly in Daryl Dixon territory of usefulness. It was also awesome to see Rosita, Aaron and Maggie stepping up when needed, we haven't seen enough of Rosita since her introduction so I hope to see more of her.

Id like to give kudos to the lesser used characters like Tara, Eugene and Doctor lady who gave some great moments in a fairly action free setting (nice to finally see Holly, but R.I.P!). Eugene's line of "You don't want to be a coward" was brilliant. I also loved the whole emotional bit with Aaron discovering the bag, just pure magic that was when he realized he probably brought this on Alexandria.

So now we assume they are about to be hit by Walker Herd and presumably he Wolves that got away will be back which makes for exciting episodes down the line.

Two final comments "Spencer grow a pair will you!"

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Legion2213

20-Oct-2015, 01:53 AM

That was just sublime...The real-time massacre of the townsfolk is one of the greatest TV segments ever IMO.

Couple of random observations...

Both Carl and Carroll blanking Morgan after the attack, their ways are not his ways.

Carl taking the food from the oven when the timer went off (food does not go to waste in this world, no matter what has just gone on). He is also completely bad-ass now IMO.

Full-tilt attack-Carroll is best Carroll.

Town must have lost well over half of it's people...mostly women by my reckoning. Even if they all become stone killers, they'll never be able to protect it from a well organised assault. It's just too big for them (especially now)

JSS chick must have some involvement with the wolves. She almost said as much.

The wolves need to be made extinct.

Alexandrians may have just realised that they don't live in the old world anymore...if an attack of that level doesn't educate them, then they are already dead.

Hats off to all involved in this episode...it was a blood soaked terror ride!

facestabber

20-Oct-2015, 03:47 AM

Very exciting episode.

Carol has undoubtedly reached some serious fandom. Near useless from 1-3 she has now become a certified hero. Beginning with her comments to the little kid to her blowing that guys brains out right from Morgan and Gabriels bewildered conversation. I'll get to Morgan shortly. I found myself cheering her on as she so smartly wore a Wolves outfit and smoked those other idiots before they knew what hit them. But seeing that breakdown at the end leads me to believe that she isn't happy with what she has had to become. And I say has to, not chose to. The world turned her into a capable survivor but at what cost. She has tons of skills but she is far removed from being Sophia's mother which I believe is what she would rather be. Time will tell. Oh and Carol dear, next time take an assault rifle with a nice big mag.

Gabriel. Still a douche

Carl. Sorry Carl I just dont buy this kids acting. It just doesnt seem natural to me. The show is trying to tell us that he is now a hardened survivor but he's too flawed to me. Hey Carl I got a great tip for you. When you have a gun and your enemy doesnt, DONT CLOSE THE FKN DISTANCE. Completely moronic to allow a downed murderer the chance to grab your rifle. Protecting Judith was his job and truthfully she could be gone or dead with him playing hero on the front lawn. I love the show and I understand Carl is a part of it but I dont buy his acting.

Morgan. Boy do I love Morgan. He is a good man. But what in the holy fuck is wrong with him. Understand I was a Dale supporter. I understood Dale's mission then about losing humanity by executing Randal. But even Dale wouldnt be a pacifist when a violent gang of humans were slaughtering his people. This was an unprovoked attack on peaceful human beings. For entertainment and that was clear. Morgan encounters a guy who threatened slow or fast and he gets upset with Carol. Respecting life is one thing. But allowing murderers to walk free, oh and arm themselves as they go, is an inexcusable mistake. I have argued with others regarding the final Wolf he encounters. Most tell me that Morgan killed him with that blow. I'm skeptical of that. I have a feeling it was a KO blow. I will root for Morgan to get his head out of his ass but if he continues this flower power peace and love shit, I think his popular following will dwindle.

Aaron. Guy shouldnt be hard on himself. He dropped a bag while nearly being devoured alive. Mistake and nothing more. The slaughter there can be attributed to horrible spotters/sharp shooters and a complacent society. The wolves attack was not coordinated at all. No comms, no guns no order, just mayhem and slaughter. A couple capable town folks with guns could have handled that situation with ease. I think of Shane with his Mossberg shotty and glock. Dude would have smoked them turds.

Maggie damnit. I want more Maggie. That girl is so much more than what we got to see. Can't really elaborate more just give me more Maggie.

Ok I need a break for now. Great damn show though

MinionZombie

20-Oct-2015, 11:03 AM

Yeah, I'm not convinced Morgan killed that guy either - I think he KO'd him, too. They'll want a hostage to find out more information about these guys (notice how Gabriel and Morgan had that one guy tied up ... although he seemed so crazy they wouldn't have got much sense out of him). Seems like The Wolves are some sort of cult, like some kind of fundamentalist extremists for their own warped zombie apocalypse religion. Freeing them, eh? You Wolves have got a funny way of showing it! :lol:

Said it before, but gotta say it again - Carol/Melissa McBride absolutely rocked it in this episode - and I agree with the assessment about her sadness at the end. This world has forced her to become something she hates deep down, but she recognises the pragmatic need to be that way ... but the toll it takes is heavy. I think she was secretly rather enjoying being Undercover Carol as a fellow homemaker to match those in Alexandria.

Interesting that The Wolves were trying to take some prisoners - are they seeking out new converts to brainwash and turn to their cause, whatever that may be?

JDP

20-Oct-2015, 11:56 AM

Interesting that The Wolves were trying to take some prisoners - are they seeking out new converts to brainwash and turn to their cause, whatever that may be?

The Wolves remind me of the second Mad Max movie and a question that some fans of it have asked before: if the thugs in the movie attack everyone who cross their path, then how in blazes did their gang keep on getting larger? When do they actually stop to think "hey, you know what, maybe we ought to ask questions before attacking anyone we see, they could in fact want to join us"?

Moon Knight

20-Oct-2015, 02:04 PM

To me, the moment Carol asked Andrea to sleep with The Governor so it would be much easier to kill him was the beginning of Carol's transformation into hardened survivor who will do what has to be done to survive. I think at this point she's not only the smartest member but also the most reliable. What she lacks physically she more than makes up with her masterful tactics and ruthlessness. Her breaking down at the end was very important because even though she's portrayed as this total badass, she isn't one dimensional and is indeed still pretty human inside. She's just not a remorseless stone cold killer.

This episode was a fantastic vehicle for Carol but it also makes me worry for her inevitable future.

Deanna and Spencer definitely had a rude awaking in "JSS". They just didn't really know what to do and how to handle things. However, Deanna did make the right choice in hanging back and props to Spencer for taking out that truck.

"Hide"

I really feel bad for Aaron too. If anything, I blame Morgan more. Good seeing him get his hands dirty at least. That's one Alexandrian that isn't afraid.

Pros: Enid's backstory as the cold open was great. No music; just chilling. The poor tortoise being devoured raw was the most brutal thing to watch this episode. The parallel to The Walkers eating her family was perfectly captured.

The first kill shown right before commercial was brilliant and the fact the entire battle took the same amount of time as Carol's casserole was quite remarkable. Carl just popped that bad boy out as if it was just another day in the zombie apocalypse.

Morgan was great. No surprise there; yet a little frustrating. Couldn't we had just kept Tyreese alive and play out the same exact story, though?

Eugene and Tara are good together.

DR Denise Cloyed finally makes her appearance yet feels a little different than her original version. I like it.

The Wolves were well done. Brutal and savage.

Overall, great stuff and one of my top episodes and it doesn't even feature the main players! B team stepping it up.

Cons: Rosita underutilized yet again. Hard to believe Tara at this point is more interesting. Sigh.

Maggie was also downplayed here. She's a great character but for some reason gets less screen time than Sasha. Baffling.

Finally, what did they do to Holly's character? Really?

Holly played a pretty good role in the books and I'm surprised she didn't make the cut. But what's more surprising is the fact they just decided to introduce her by name for multiple episodes and then kill her off while still going out of their way to not even show her face. So weird. Will Francine replace her in the story? At this point I hope not.

Anyhow, besides my minor complaints, great stuff.

Oh, and Carol refusing to help Father Gabriel was too funny. Lol.

rightwing401

21-Oct-2015, 04:45 AM

MinionZombie

21-Oct-2015, 10:50 AM

What the hell was this 'we' crap? And 'got' implies a past tense of something that already happened. Finally, why the hell would she want to up a leave right in the middle of an attack like that? Afterwards, understandable...during said attack, highly suspicious.

You're right ... something fishy is going on with Enid ... perhaps she was recruited, and so when she rocked up at Alexandria the reason why she hesitated wasn't about fear of joining a community, but fear of bringing a community down from the inside.

She has that fistful of keys ... the actress said it was because Enid always wanted an escape plan, but it doesn't necessarily check out. She gave them to Carl specifically ... I wonder if they were intended for The Wolves so they could sneak in to houses and snuff people out in their sleep? There was a hint on Talking Dead that Enid would be back and that there would be something surprising about her return ... there's so many possibilities, and as we've experienced, the obvious option might not be what happens - not even the second or third option might be what happens - so there's always different things going on.

However - one potential flaw with the Enid/Wolves thing ... if the Wolves only found out about Alexandria through the photos in Aaron's dropped backpack, they wouldn't have been able to send in an infiltrator. So, this might mean Enid isn't somehow linked to The Wolves, or it could mean she's linked to another group, be they nefarious or not.

Hmmmm ... plenty of options to ponder! :hyper:

DayoftheZ

21-Oct-2015, 11:43 AM

Holy crap that was intense. I totally did not see that battle within the community coming. Especially when that lady that was smoking the cigarette got pounced on...wow.

On the flip side, I don't think the wolves were expecting the resistance they got in the community. Their entire fighting style seems to be centered on shock and awe combined with pure brutality. That was evident when the ax wielding wolf squared off against Morgan. Right when he spotted him, ax wolf practically bum rushed him, until Morgan stood his ground and took a very clear fighting stance. He paused and kind of sized him up before attacking.

Same thing when Morgan faced the wolf pack at the end. They looked like they were ready to rip him apart, until he easily fought off a few of them. Hell, the leader actually jumped back a little from him at the end. So yeah, against soft targets like the people of Alexandria, the wolves are unstoppable, against survivors with equal skill and viciousness, not so well.

And that damn creepy girl is in on the attack. She clearly said to Carl about the blind spots in the community, "that's how we got...OUT?! MY theory below."

What the hell was this 'we' crap? And 'got' implies a past tense of something that already happened. Finally, why the hell would she want to up a leave right in the middle of an attack like that? Afterwards, understandable...during said attack, highly suspicious.

I have a theory that Enid, Her Mother and her Father left Alexandria through a blind spot. I base this only on the fact that the gates were opened and she was allowed in without any question. Also her and her parents’ must have been in a close by community only days prior to their demise because at the end of the day they looked in fairly good condition considering they were on the road.

Maybe her family saw that it was a difficult place to defend and saw the weakness in the group and decided to leave was safer, obviously we know that now not to be true and perhaps she ended up back there under the mantra of “Just Survive Somehow” when her parent bit the dust. It may also explain the momentary doubt of going inside.

I guarantee I will be wrong I always am:D

Moon Knight

21-Oct-2015, 02:07 PM

Enid being a member of The Wolves won't really make sense given everything we know of both sides.

facestabber

21-Oct-2015, 03:25 PM

Enid is an odd kid and understandably so. But I'm surprised the wolves tie in is still a strong opinion. Her story was given to us. She's been alone. If she was some kind of scout why not leave messages for the wolves on the outside of the walls. Such as Armory is building 'x' etc. Now granted her comfort level during a savage attack is absolutely fucked up. But I think that's more about her mental state than anything. I guess we will find out.

Why would Enid and her family sneak out of Alexandria through a blind spot? The place isn't Woodbury. Not trying to be argumentative here just curious.

DayoftheZ

21-Oct-2015, 05:06 PM

Why would Enid and her family sneak out of Alexandria through a blind spot? The place isn't Woodbury. Not trying to be argumentative here just curious.

I don't know in honesty, I haven't given my theory too much though :D. I just don't buy that she is a Walking Dead baddie and certainly not involved with the wolves. Also it seemed to me that she didn't just stumble upon Alexandria and almost sought it out despite nearly walking away.

MinionZombie

21-Oct-2015, 05:27 PM

I have a theory that Enid, Her Mother and her Father left Alexandria through a blind spot. I base this only on the fact that the gates were opened and she was allowed in without any question. Also her and her parents’ must have been in a close by community only days prior to their demise because at the end of the day they looked in fairly good condition considering they were on the road.

Maybe her family saw that it was a difficult place to defend and saw the weakness in the group and decided to leave was safer, obviously we know that now not to be true and perhaps she ended up back there under the mantra of “Just Survive Somehow” when her parent bit the dust. It may also explain the momentary doubt of going inside.

I guarantee I will be wrong I always am:D

Interesting theory!

If Enid has involvement with The Wolves, I doubt it'd be willing. The more I think about it now - and particularly what I said earlier today about the timescale issue of The Wolves arriving versus Enid arriving, and linking those separate events to the placement of those pictures of Aaron's within the timescale, Enid's involvement with The Wolves is probably quite unlikely. However, Enid's definitely got secrets - she's snuck out in the past (and probably did so as a matter of routine). Was she just looking for some alone time beyond the walls, was she keeping herself sharp and alert while the Alexandrians lived their dream that was doomed to crumble, was she meeting up with someone - perhaps an exile from Alexandria? Were her parents exiled - but not her - but she chose to go with her parents? If she was returning to Alexandria (as opposed to arriving for the first time), that could play in to that idea. Although I'm not sure - I really got more of the feeling that Enid's arrival at Alexandria's gates was a first-time thing ... there's so many possibilities! Enid's a mysterious sort! :shifty:

Here's a crazy idea - what if The Wolves are sub-contractors for another group (i.e. doing their dirty bidding)? Totally random thought that'll hold sod-all water quite possibly, but just a fun idea that popped into my noggin. :D

shootemindehead

21-Oct-2015, 07:37 PM

Nah, I can't see that being a thing.

These "wolves" characters are just crazy feckers, bound together by some misguided lunacy. They go around attacking places with just melee weapons in a world that sees ordinary people packing machine guns and stinky pus bags that want to scoff you.

I don't think they'd be sub-contracting themselves to anyone.

I think Alexandria will be pursuing an "open carry" policy now though.

facestabber

21-Oct-2015, 10:05 PM

I have a question. After carol shot the woman in the armory she put 2-3 rounds in a guys back as he ran out the door. They made it a point of carol looking out the window and seeing blood on a step. Did anyone see any indication that the man succomed to his wounds inside Alexandria? It's a small detail but he saw the well stocked armory and could very well tell his fellow wolves. Granted the wolves lost over half of their force so the question remains is another attack worth it?

Question 2. Explain the semi crash/horn deal? Are they implying that the driver was human, took a fatal wound from the full auto burst from the tower and then reanimated before deannas son opened the door? I'd have to rewatch it but that Walker didn't look too fresh.

Buzzbomb

21-Oct-2015, 11:36 PM

Another good un'.... and as usual plenty of good comments already made.

Enid definitely has some involvement with another group of some sort - when she hands Carl the keys she says something like "I had these, I didn't want them to have them" & then "..."this place is too big to protect, there are too many blind spots... it's how we were able to..." I remain clueless as to what group she's attached to.

What was Morgan carrying in that little blue bag at the end?

Is it just me or do people seem to be turning a lot quicker than they used to - Richard who got burned at the fence and the guy in the truck went from living to dead to undead pretty quick.... I can't see how the truck could have had a walker at the wheel - or even in the cab, so it must have been a live wolf?

The Wolves act like 'crazy feckers' but the elaborate trap that caught Aaron & Daryl, suggests there is some brains somewhere in the outfit & we don't know that this whether this was just a small scouting party or the full pack.

Possibly stupid question: Why don't people fix bayonets on their rifles?

PS: Carol's comment at the begining about smoking is going to kill you was priceless...

shootemindehead

22-Oct-2015, 12:08 AM

Question 2. Explain the semi crash/horn deal? Are they implying that the driver was human, took a fatal wound from the full auto burst from the tower and then reanimated before deannas son opened the door? I'd have to rewatch it but that Walker didn't look too fresh.

Yeh, this one's been a bother. I haven't had a chance to rewatch the episode, but that guy was proper rank.

Moon Knight

22-Oct-2015, 01:32 AM

They already implied last season that Enid leaves Alexandria just because she feels more at home in the wild. Of course I could be wrong but they are laying it on a bit thick.

The Wolves are definitely coming back. That one Wolf hijacked a gun and like someone else mentioned, the runner scurrying out of the armory wounded is still out there IMO. I know how this show works. They made sure we saw the blood for a reason.

The guy in the truck was human I'm sure but they did make a bit of a mistake by rotting him up too much.

One last thing, I don't think Morgan killed that Wolf. I just can't see it. As much as I wish he did, a hostage situation does tickle my fancy.

rightwing401

22-Oct-2015, 04:14 AM

Whether Enid was with the wolves or another group, one thing is certain, the girl's completely feral. She's one of those people that's just too far gone. As Dale once stated, "you belong in this world". She is now something between a human being and a wild animal. Not completely wild, but still devoid of displaying normal human emotions.

As for the wolves, I really, really hope Rick and company go on a little hunt after the walker herd is dealt with. Rick said that he doesn't take chances anymore and leaving those nutjobs free to roam wouldn't be in his style now. And I don't think the wolves would expect someone to have the stones to actually come after them.

Neil

22-Oct-2015, 11:04 AM

Another thing... So in Ep1 the horde was close enough to hear the horn clearly? So the road must only be 1/2 mile or less (through woods) to the gate where the truck was?

Where's the horde then in Ep2? Should only take ten mins for the horde to arrive?

And I hope we find out why the Wolves like chopping arms off corpses!

MinionZombie

22-Oct-2015, 11:31 AM

I think the herd is further away than just a mere 1/2 mile. The sound might carry too loud through the woods, but so what ... a small suspension of disbelief in the grand scheme of things (but it was a feckin' loud horn).

Yeah - the walker inside the cab - what's up with that? Turned too quickly, and did seem a bit rank ... very strange! :rockbrow:

Oh for sure, we'll be seeing more of that wounded Wolf soon enough. Either they got out - or they're somewhere inside Alexandria (perhaps they die inside a house and then attack someone?) ... as for what Morgan could be carrying: perhaps some food for a captive Wolf? They do need information on these guys, so a captive does make sense - but get the info you need and then kill the bastard. The Wolves don't seem like the sort of folks you can reason with, nevermind form a truce with, nevermind form an alliance with - they're vicious psychopaths in need of putting down for good.

Moon Knight

22-Oct-2015, 05:19 PM

I believe the group is doing its best to stall that herd, possibly get it off track. The front pack may still even be following Abraham, Sasha, and Daryl. Guess we'll just have to wait till this Sunday.

Oh, Morgan. I want to like you. But, c'mon, man. This world needs the Punisher, not Batman.

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As far as what Morgan was carrying, looks to me like some personal belongings as he appears to be skipping town.

MinionZombie

22-Oct-2015, 06:40 PM

As far as what Morgan was carrying, looks to me like some personal belongings as he appears to be skipping town.

I doubt it. He had a full-on backpack, and why would he spread his stuff around all over the place? He's only just arrived and been accepted into Rick's home, so I wouldn't think he'd be itching to jog on anytime soon.

facestabber

22-Oct-2015, 08:21 PM

Well I know where Morgan isn't going. He isn't hunting down wolves to kill them. I respect Morgan because I know he is a good man. But the wolves have declared their intentions and it's clear to everyone in the world but Morgan that they deserve to die. The way he's acting it wouldn't surprise me if Rick and co had a sit down and explained what Terminus was and Morgan would still talk about precious life.

Moon Knight

23-Oct-2015, 12:53 AM

True, and even if he was something tells me he wouldn't get very far.

Doc

23-Oct-2015, 11:11 PM

Well, not to much to say about this one. The only real thing that bothered me was that Alexandria had no lookout. Especially, such a big deal was made out of this last season and even after they know there's a hostile element in the area! Yeah, it could've been the guy that got torched or the sniper, but are you seriously telling me that they didn't hear anybody being audibly killed before that happened? Other than that, I did quite like this episode.

MinionZombie

24-Oct-2015, 11:01 AM

but are you seriously telling me that they didn't hear anybody being audibly killed before that happened? Other than that, I did quite like this episode.

To be fair, those moments could have happened simultaneously - a coordinated attack - but you can't show things happening simultaneously on-screen (save from a split-screen scenario, which wouldn't have worked at all in this case). We often see cases of that in film and TV where, essentially, we see something happen and then 'time rewinds' to show us another event in another location that happened at the same time as what we just saw.

All-in-all the attack happened so fast with multiple insurgents in multiple locations around Alexandria, so even if a guard or someone clued-up like Maggie is about to go and answer a scream in the distance, they're soon involved in their own fight where they are.

Staredge

24-Oct-2015, 06:22 PM

Carl. Sorry Carl I just dont buy this kids acting. It just doesnt seem natural to me. The show is trying to tell us that he is now a hardened survivor but he's too flawed to me. Hey Carl I got a great tip for you. When you have a gun and your enemy doesnt, DONT CLOSE THE FKN DISTANCE. Completely moronic to allow a downed murderer the chance to grab your rifle. Protecting Judith was his job and truthfully she could be gone or dead with him playing hero on the front lawn. I love the show and I understand Carl is a part of it but I dont buy his acting.

In the comic, they make a big deal about Rick wanting him to become a kid again. I'm wondering if that's where they're going with this. He's letting his guard down a bit and becoming a kid again, but then this happens. He realizes that he can't be a kid, as the town is in danger.