Star Wars: Rogue One (film)

[shootemindehead]

Colour me hyped. :hyper:


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[EvilNed]

At this rate, the Star Wars franchise will be devalued in 3-4 years time.

It does look like a better film than the Force Awakens tho, and that film wasn't bad. It just wasn't good. It's a shame that Disney's treatment of this franchise (treating it as "one film per year"-money machine) will make every new installment less worth than the latest one.

[wayzim]

At this rate, the Star Wars franchise will be devalued in 3-4 years time.

It does look like a better film than the Force Awakens tho, and that film wasn't bad. It just wasn't good. It's a shame that Disney's treatment of this franchise (treating it as "one film per year"-money machine) will make every new installment less worth than the latest one.

Dude, maybe I could share your pessimism with another film but this one looks too on point. I'd rather give merits or demerits to each movie as it comes along. I'm jazzed for now. ;)

[EvilNed]

Dude, maybe I could share your pessimism with another film but this one looks too on point. I'd rather give merits or demerits to each movie as it comes along. I'm jazzed for now. ;)

Yeah, you're probably right. I think it'll be a fun ride. Nice to see them ditch the Jedi's for abit too.

[MinionZombie]

Looks nifty. I'm not super stoked, but I'm certainly interested. I'll probably get more into the vibe nearer the time.

What's pretty cool about it is that it allows the filmmakers to play around in that 'OG Star Wars' world - that 70s/80s era of the franchise with all the old style costumes and tech etc. Whether or not it'll be as gripping as a story we don't know the end to will be another thing - we already know the Death Star gets blown up in A New Hope, so hopefully it won't feel like a damp squib in that regard. Movies have worked where you know what happens at the end (e.g. only idiots don't know the Titanic sinks at the end), so hopefully Rogue One ("a Star Wars story") pulls it off. :)

One thing - slow piano versions of the themetune - can we stop with this shit in trailers? It's becoming such an irksome cliche. They did the same thing in that nu-Ghostbusters trailer.

[wayzim]

Looks nifty. I'm not super stoked, but I'm certainly interested. I'll probably get more into the vibe nearer the time.

What's pretty cool about it is that it allows the filmmakers to play around in that 'OG Star Wars' world - that 70s/80s era of the franchise with all the old style costumes and tech etc. Whether or not it'll be as gripping as a story we don't know the end to will be another thing - we already know the Death Star gets blown up in A New Hope, so hopefully it won't feel like a damp squib in that regard. Movies have worked where you know what happens at the end (e.g. only idiots don't know the Titanic sinks at the end), so hopefully Rogue One ("a Star Wars story") pulls it off. :)

One thing - slow piano versions of the themetune - can we stop with this shit in trailers? It's becoming such an irksome cliche. They did the same thing in that nu-Ghostbusters trailer.

I honestly didn't even think about it, but maybe I haven't been exposed to enough trailers where that happens. But there is one thing that's really annoys me; and that is the dweeb trolls who are already out in Force bitching about the female lead. As if there's some feminist conspiracy to inflict a girl power theme upon the clearly macho Star Wars universe. Really dudes? We're only two films into the new series, so get a grip and grow a pair. You're only embarrassing yourselves.

[EvilNed]

I honestly didn't even think about it, but maybe I haven't been exposed to enough trailers where that happens. But there is one thing that's really annoys me; and that is the dweeb trolls who are already out in Force bitching about the female lead. As if there's some feminist conspiracy to inflict a girl power theme upon the clearly macho Star Wars universe. Really dudes? We're only two films into the new series, so get a grip and grow a pair. You're only embarrassing yourselves.

There's a phenomena called the norm of whiteness or something like that. In almost all western produced pieces of entertainment, all straight ordinary people (often the heroes "caught in events out of their control") are white males. It's so entrenched into our culturual mindset that now, recently, when we start seeing female or black "ordinary persons" acting as heroes, people cry out against political correctness gone to far. You don't need to look any further than the upcoming Ghostbusters film. We have a thousand films with white male leads and nobody bats an eye. But as soon as you produce an all-female lead action adventure everyone loses their mind.

I'm glad Disney is going this way.

[shootemindehead]

Looks nifty. I'm not super stoked, but I'm certainly interested. I'll probably get more into the vibe nearer the time.

I clicked on the trailer vid thinking meh. I'm not mad on the idea of these spin off films. But, by the end I was ready for December.

Although there's not much to go on in the trailer, it looks like a bit of a "spy film" set in the Star Wars wars universe. Maybe a little more stealthy and less flash bang.

Plus real Stormtroopers, AT-ATs, Star Destroyers, etc.

All equals Tony being 5 again.


What's pretty cool about it is that it allows the filmmakers to play around in that 'OG Star Wars' world - that 70s/80s era of the franchise with all the old style costumes and tech etc. Whether or not it'll be as gripping as a story we don't know the end to will be another thing - we already know the Death Star gets blown up in A New Hope, so hopefully it won't feel like a damp squib in that regard. Movies have worked where you know what happens at the end (e.g. only idiots don't know the Titanic sinks at the end), so hopefully Rogue One ("a Star Wars story") pulls it off. :)

Frankly, I wasn't big on the "story" in 'The Force Awakens'. It was grand seeing a new Star Wars film that didn't suck balls. But that film has a lot of problems IMO, one of them being that I kind of knew the gist of it before the first 10 minutes were over.

But, this trailer has my mind flying off in all sorts of directions.


One thing - slow piano versions of the themetune - can we stop with this shit in trailers? It's becoming such an irksome cliche. They did the same thing in that nu-Ghostbusters trailer.

Oh lad...if I ever hear that kind of shite again it'll be too soon.

Really had enough of it now at this stage.

Although, in fairness, I didn't even notice the first time I watched the trailer.

[MoonSylver]

It was an odd sensation seeing in the promo an actual film set before Ep.IV with all the familiar set dressing, costumes, vehicles, etc, that has nothing to do w/ the "main" cast & story line.

[bassman]

I can already see all the people just now jumping on the star wars hype going insane with "where's Rey, Finn, and Luke?!?!"

Maybe they'll change it to "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.....seven films ago...."

It does look quite good judging by the trailer, though. I'm still more hyped for Johnson's Episode Eight. I'm already feeling "Empire" levels of awesome just from the possibilities and director.

[AcesandEights]

I definitely got goose bumps from the teaser trailer, even the 2nd time I watched it. :D

[Neil]

So there's talks of loads of reshoots (40% of the film + rewrites)?:-
- http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75345
- http://www.aintitcool.com/node/75352


Indeed my friend who works at Pinewood, say's, "there's lots of activity all of a sudden" :)

[shootemindehead]

That doesn't sound good. 40%.

It's possible that the film was a little bit too gritty for the Disney execs and they want to try a emulate the stupider parts of 'The Force Awakens' and dumb things down with dumb ass "comic relief".

Which will be really unfortunate IMO.

[bassman]

It does seem like quite a lot but at the same time, reshoots are common practice. Especially with big event films, probably even more so expected for the first ever Star Wars spin-off. The rumors were also that JJ Abrams and Christopher McQuarrie were taking over directing duties, but McQuarrie quickly released a statement clearing it up that he was hired to work on the script in the early stages, which continued into filming. They didn't even have a completed script during filming, so reshoots were always factored into the production process, and this is all part of the planned production. He went on to say that Edwards has made a fabulous film and all these rumors are completely false.

It's Star Wars, so it's obviously a big target for online film reporting click bait. The same kind of things were reported for Force Awakens. I personally don't put any stock into these sorts of reports because too many sites use it to stir up the fan drama in an attempt to get more visitors.

[MinionZombie]

I personally don't put any stock into these sorts of reports because too many sites use it to stir up the fan drama in an attempt to get more visitors.

It's pinch of salt time, isn't it? Perhaps a fairly big pinch.

Frankly, there's plenty of films that have been released that would have benefitted from significant reshoots. :D

Speaking of TFA - I watched it for the second time last night. Still jolly good fun, lots of tingles. Will be digging into the extra features later on. :)

[bassman]

It's pinch of salt time, isn't it? Perhaps a fairly big pinch.

Frankly, there's plenty of films that have been released that would have benefitted from significant reshoots. :D

Speaking of TFA - I watched it for the second time last night. Still jolly good fun, lots of tingles. Will be digging into the extra features later on. :)

Oh, you should enjoy those! Great documentary that covers the whole project from conception to release.

[wayzim]

And the trailer is out. Still very hyped about this. :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY

[Neil]

Fingers crossed...

[MinionZombie]

Yep, that looks pretty darn groovy ... might even go and check this out at the cinema.

[bassman]

I love that the tone of this one seems to be more serious with a bit less of the fantasy element to keep it light hearted and almost Saving Private Ryan crossed with Empire...

[shootemindehead]

One would hope.

I think the market is there for a more "serious" Star Wars. I only wish that the edits that were ordered by Disney earlier this year to "lighten" the piece doesn't end up wrecking it. There's little worse than tacked on humour, ruining tension and falling flat on its face into the bargain. We may go in expecting 'Wrath of Khan' and get 'The Final Frontier' instead. Yeh, I know that's Trek, but my point is efforts to lighten tone can ruin an otherwise good film.

[clanglee]

I'm getting a Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven vibe from this movie. . . .and I am ok with this. . . .

[EvilNed]

Not gonna watch any marketing whatsoever.
Maybe this will be the film that gets me into SW again?

I like what Im hearing.

[Neil]

Well, the reviews seem pretty +ve...

I'll be seeing it on the 27th...

[Moon Knight]

Movie was excellent. Minor flaws but loved it.

[Neil]

Movie was excellent. Minor flaws but loved it.

Seeing it tomorrow...

[MinionZombie]

Just watched it this afternoon. I rather enjoyed it. Took a bit to get into the vibe of it (particularly as it was almost entirely new characters - and set adjacent to the main thrust of the story we've been used to for forty years), but once I got into the groove I rather dug it.

I even found myself welling up a bit at certain moments (seriously, proper spoilers ahead, they've been tagged and you've been warned - so don't whinge at me :D)...
e.g. Jyn seeing the hologram message from her father - whom she hadn't seen in so many years after the tragedy of the opening scene ... plus some of the deaths: K-2SO sealing the doors while being over-run with storm troopers, Saw Gerrera standing upright as Jedha's exploding horizon sweeps towards him, the whole bit with Chirrut Îmwe and Baze Malbus and the "I'm one with the Force, the Force is with me" chant ... plus, that final moment as Jyn and Cassian sit there on the tropical beach as brothers in arms, interlink their hands, and suddenly - yet almost transcendently - get swept away in a blaze of white light.

A nice bit of humour dotted throughout - e.g. the 'bag over the head' moment, K-2SO (took a bit of warming up to him, but once I was in I was in) - which was much needed to balance the tone as it is quite dark and gritty at times. It is, as they were saying, kind of like a 'war film' in some regards. Of course, it is set during the very dark days of the Empire/Rebellion balance of power with hope feeling a long way away, so the tone would be dark, but it was good that there were triumphant moments and funny moments to balance things out. It's impressive in its darkness and grim tone for the rest of it, mind.

So yeah - I was quite impressed.

As for you-know-which-baddie getting resurrected via CGI, I didn't find it "offensive" at all (seriously, the precious petals of today's youth/social media need to calm down - besides, surely the estate of you-know-who would have to approve it first), and it worked pretty darn well. There were times when a movement of the eye or mouth seemed a bit too 'smooth' (the imperfection or 'twitchiness' of a real human's face being absent at times) ... but it worked pretty well. The other instance was a little more noticeable, but was brief enough to be pulled off.

[Neil]

I thought it was"OK"...

For me, it felt a bit rushed and a bit thin. Forest Whitaker for example, for all the effort put into the character just seemed to come and go, and not really do much. And this was the case with a number of other character too. The plot had no real significant twists or turns too, so overall a good effort, but nothing special IMHO.

So, given the last two films, which were both OK, but that's about all IMHO, I'm losing my interest in the franchise...

[Moon Knight]

I thought it was"OK"...

For me, it felt a bit rushed and a bit thin. Forest Whitaker for example, for all the effort put into the character just seemed to come and go, and not really do much. And this was the case with a number of other character too. The plot had no real significant twists or turns too, so overall a good effort, but nothing special IMHO.

So, given the last two films, which were both OK, but that's about all IMHO, I'm losing my interest in the franchise...

Watch it again, give it another go without any hype attached to it. If the prequels didn't sour you this movie definitely shouldn't. ;)

[ProfessorChaos]

i was rather unimpressed by this one. i enjoyed the force awakens for what it was, but this film just didn't do it for me. none of the characters were all that likeable, the plot wasn't very original or anything we've not seen in other films, and the call-backs and inclusions of other characters felt forced and nothing but fan-service. vader's costume looked goofy and putting him in the film was a cheap way to get asses in seats.

this will be the first star wars film i won't be adding to my home collection, and unless my kid grows up and wants to watch it one of these days, i doubt i'll ever waste time re-watching it.

[MinionZombie]

Didn't they recreate Vader's costume from A New Hope's specs?

[Neil]

i was rather unimpressed by this one. i enjoyed the force awakens for what it was, but this film just didn't do it for me. none of the characters were all that likeable, the plot wasn't very original or anything we've not seen in other films, and the call-backs and inclusions of other characters felt forced and nothing but fan-service. vader's costume looked goofy and putting him in the film was a cheap way to get asses in seats.

this will be the first star wars film i won't be adding to my home collection, and unless my kid grows up and wants to watch it one of these days, i doubt i'll ever waste time re-watching it.
For me it did feel a bit like a "committee film" where they've joined up lots of "safe dots" with a homogenized script.

[ProfessorChaos]

Didn't they recreate Vader's costume from A New Hope's specs?

i am having trouble finding a good clear picture to illustrate my point, but the costume vader is wearing in his first scene is rather different from the usual one he wears, mainly in the lower area of his mask that covers his throat. it was totally distracting during that first scene. even my wife, a casual star wars fan at best, leaned over during that scene and asked what was different about his helmet. he may have been wearing his ANH ensemble with the proper helmet towards the end during the hallway slaughter scene.

another thing that was cheap about the handling of vader really irked me as well: every time they jumped to a new location or planet, the planet's name was always displayed in the lower corner of the screen...until they came to an unnamed planet (which turned out to be mustafar, where vader lost most of his humanity and limbs and still hangs around some giant castle).

in addition to these and the other faults i found, the music was rather forgettable and only added to the dullness of the film.

i've said it before and i'll say it again: disney is going to milk this franchise dry. star wars films used to have a rather large gap between releases, making it a special event to go to the theaters. now that they are going to have one releasing every year till the sun burns out, it won't be long till all the magic is gone from the series and these movies are just as garbage and disposable as all the dumbass MCU films they are polluting cinemas with constantly.

[Moon Knight]

Vader's helmut was defintitly jacked up for some reason.