TWD 7x14 "The Other Side" episode discussion... **SPOILERS WITHIN*

[MinionZombie]

Please keep all talk of episode 7x14 "The Other Side" specifically inside this thread.

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Directed by: Michael E. Satrazemis
Written by: Angela Kang

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[facestabber]

Well Sasha you were never my favorite character but you made me care. And Sonequa is very talented actress. RIP Sasha. Daryl and Maggie scene was overdue. Glad that got to happen. That one pulled at the heart.

[JDP]

Shouldn't Enid also be hiding? The Saviors know she is an Alexandrian, so she should not be seen at the Hilltop either, since Gregory keeps denying that he has anything to do with Alexandria to try to avoid the Savior's retribution for the massacre at their outpost.

[Moon Knight]

Loved the Daryl and Maggie scene. It was subtle and not too much on the nose. I felt really bad for Daryl there.

Looks like Rosita ran into Dwight at the end.

Was never a fan of Sasha but she really won me over the last couple seasons. It's not over yet but things don't look good for her. We shall see.

Suddenly, I can hear many female Jesus fans cry in disappointment. Sorry, ladies. ;)

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Shouldn't Enid also be hiding? The Saviors know she is an Alexandrian, so she should not be seen at the Hilltop either, since Gregory keeps denying that he has anything to do with Alexandria to try to avoid the Savior's retribution for the massacre at their outpost.

She wasn't in the lineup but was seen at Alexandria. Assuming the Saviors have different groups, like Gavin and Simon have their own guys, as Negan rolls with Arat and the usual thugs we see at Alexandria. Still though I agree, kinda taking a chance there.

[MinionZombie]

A quiet character episode, really. Some nice bits of business got handled (e.g. Maggie/Daryl, Sasha/Rosita), and you can see the seeds of Gregory/Maggie starting to bear some fruit. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do there as the leadership of The Hilltop comes under the spotlight.

I still don't think Eugene has turned genuinely Negan. I reckon he's working a long game and, at the fence, was scared his friends would get themselves killed.

Not an awful lot to say, really. Hopefully a lot of big stuff happens in the final two episodes of the season to let it go into the summer break with a bang instead of a whimper.


Loved the Daryl and Maggie scene. It was subtle and not too much on the nose. I felt really bad for Daryl there.

Suddenly, I can hear many female Jesus fans cry in disappointment. Sorry, ladies. ;)

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She wasn't in the lineup but was seen at Alexandria. Assuming the Saviors have different groups, like Gavin and Simon have their own guys, as Negan rolls with Arat and the usual thugs we see at Alexandria. Still though I agree, kinda taking a chance there.

1) Yeah, I dug the lack of dialogue for that first scene, as well. They talked it out in the cellar, but only as much as was needed. So gently handled - nice.

2) I was a little bit surprised that they upheld that aspect from the comics. I wondered if they'd get a bit nervous - in America - having a character called "Jesus" who is homosexual. There'll probably be someone who gets bent out of shape about it, but chill, it's just a name.

3) Why would the Saviours care if Enid was there? Did they place a specific moritorium on 'no Alexandrians in the Hilltop'? I don't recall that happening. If they discovered Daryl or Maggie there, then sure, they'd have a grievance to settle ... but the Saviours will know that people from these groups intermingle between camps on occasion. Otherwise I don't think they're concerned with groups mixing - it's groups working together against them, and escapees from their prison/clutches that they're bothered about.

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[JDP]

3) Why would the Saviours care if Enid was there? Did they place a specific moritorium on 'no Alexandrians in the Hilltop'? I don't recall that happening. If they discovered Daryl or Maggie there, then sure, they'd have a grievance to settle ... but the Saviours will know that people from these groups intermingle between camps on occasion. Otherwise I don't think they're concerned with groups mixing - it's groups working together against them, and escapees from their prison/clutches that they're bothered about.

Because Gregory has repeatedly denied having anything to do with the Alexandrians in order to avoid his group being associated with the massacre at the Savior outpost, and the dire consequences that would carry. He doesn't want the Saviors to see any Alexandrians at the Hilltop.

[MinionZombie]

I just remembered - where the hell is Heath? He vanished in 7x06 and hasn't been back since ... ... they've really made a balls up of that character. Not enough screen time initially, and the actor's found a bunch of successful roles elsewhere (so he probably can't commit enough time to TWD?) Has Tara mentioned he went missing? It's things like this that make it feel like some of the writers aren't talking to the other writers, so you end up with hanging threads like this.

Perhaps we'll get an answer in the next episode or two?

[Harleydude666]

I just remembered - where the hell is Heath? He vanished in 7x06 and hasn't been back since ... ... they've really made a balls up of that character. Not enough screen time initially, and the actor's found a bunch of successful roles elsewhere (so he probably can't commit enough time to TWD?) Has Tara mentioned he went missing? It's things like this that make it feel like some of the writers aren't talking to the other writers, so you end up with hanging threads like this.

Perhaps we'll get an answer in the next episode or two?

He found his way back to civilization and became a special forces agent and now is working with CTU agents to stop a terrorist. He's been so busy he hasn't had any time to think about his friends or send help to stop the zombie plague

[shootemindehead]

I just remembered - where the hell is Heath? He vanished in 7x06 and hasn't been back since ... ... they've really made a balls up of that character. Not enough screen time initially, and the actor's found a bunch of successful roles elsewhere (so he probably can't commit enough time to TWD?) Has Tara mentioned he went missing? It's things like this that make it feel like some of the writers aren't talking to the other writers, so you end up with hanging threads like this.

Perhaps we'll get an answer in the next episode or two?

Was thinking that the other day. Plus Tara's only had about 2 seconds screen time as well and no lines? There's just far too many characters in the show now and it's getting worse, not better. At this stage it might be wiser just to leave Heath dead if the actor can't commit to being on set.

[Moon Knight]

How hard is it to script a few lines for Tara just asking if Heath ever came back? Or that he went missing. They just left his ass out there. Not cool. Reminds me on how they never bothered having Maggie mention Beth at least once as they got split up. Not cool at all.

[MinionZombie]

How hard is it to script a few lines for Tara just asking if Heath ever came back? Or that he went missing. They just left his ass out there. Not cool. Reminds me on how they never bothered having Maggie mention Beth at least once as they got split up. Not cool at all.

Aye, small little oversights like that are just silly. Naturally, Maggie would be thinking of Beth, but it would have been nice to just have one small moment to verbalise that.

It's not true, though, that Tara hasn't had any lines - a couple of episodes ago she was wrestling with whether or not to tell Rick about Oceanside (because of their gun collection), and was playing that out while babysitting Judith.

I do agree that there are too many characters in general now. We need to get more of them together at any one time and/or thin the supporting cast herd a bit - I imagine the coming war will help with that!

[Neil]

I still don't think Eugene has turned genuinely Negan. I reckon he's working a long game and, at the fence, was scared his friends would get themselves killed.
I think he's conflicted...

[Moon Knight]

I agree Tara's been fine this season. She'll be given more to do next season.

Can't have a war without "cannon fodder" lol love Gregory.

[shootemindehead]

Yeh, Gregory is great. Those parts are hard to play I would imagine. I mean who would want to play an ass like that? Still though, that actor has it nailed.

[MinionZombie]

I agree Tara's been fine this season. She'll be given more to do next season.

Aye, I imagine her pregnancy during season 6 led to them writing her into that 'two week trip' to free up some time at the end of the season for her, and then not getting her back until episode 7x06 would partly be down to giving her a bit more time to get into the working mother groove (plus the first three episodes had to a lot of ground to cover/new groups to introduce).

[Neil]

I am confused by the girls thought processes... ie: If they fail, or indeed even succeed in killing Negan, surely they risk letting loose a hornets nests aimed straight back at their friends?

[Moon Knight]

As far as Eugene is concerned, I don't think he's stone cold Negan; he didn't betray the group just yet. He's just a coward and got caught without a plan when Sasha and Rosita showed up. He didn't want to do anything that would get all three killed. Just my thought on that.

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I am confused by the girls thought processes... ie: If they fail, or indeed even succeed in killing Negan, surely they risk letting loose a hornets nests aimed straight back at their friends?

It was a suicide mission. They knew the consequences as told by having Sasha tell Enid to be ready for what is coming next. They spent all season building this up with Rosita's anger. People deal with trauma differently. Abraham's women couldn't just sit and wait any longer.

[Neil]

It was a suicide mission. They knew the consequences as told by having Sasha tell Enid to be ready for what is coming next. They spent all season building this up with Rosita's anger. People deal with trauma differently. Abraham's women couldn't just sit and wait any longer.

Understood... But even my 14yr old son was crying out how "selfish" they were basically being...

[MinionZombie]

Understood... But even my 14yr old son was crying out how "selfish" they were basically being...

Aye, that's my biggest frustration with it, and Jesus didn't fight awfully hard to stop her. They've all lost something, they're all hurting, but they all must work together in a single, concerted effort because if it goes pear shaped it's a total gamble who will end up suffering as a result of look (look at how Olivia was killed at random - directly resulting from Rosita's impatient act).

It's fair that you'd have some people splintering off to try and nip the problem in the bud, but ideally the both of them need a dose of sense drilled into them. They're acting selfishly, impulsively, rashly.

[shootemindehead]

Yeh, it's just another element of "stupid" written into 'The Walking Dead'. Am I the only one that thinks it was kind of against character for these two, plus their supporting folk to just go along with this?

[Moon Knight]

I don't see as it as being bad writing because it's meant to be stupid. They write these flaws in for a reason. If every character was written and acted the same and made the exact same decisions than things would get rather bland imo. If Rosita is written as an angry whiny bitch it's because we are supposed to be frustrated with her. Trust me, I'm her biggest fan and I wanted Sasha to slap her so bad for being an ass. Sasha also went through something similar in season 5 after losing Bob and Tyreese, so it wasn't out of character for her. My biggest gripe is they laid it on kinda thick, and there really wasn't any need for that. We got the point.

Now with that said, yes the plan was stupid and selfish haha.

[JDP]

I am confused by the girls thought processes... ie: If they fail, or indeed even succeed in killing Negan, surely they risk letting loose a hornets nests aimed straight back at their friends?

If they could pull the assassination without getting caught, then they can always pretend they know nothing about it. Who knows who killed Negan, he had many enemies. But "plan B" did not make much sense. Infiltrating the Savior headquarters to kill Negan is a suicide mission and whether Negan gets killed or not surely they are going to know that it was the Alexandrians who were behind it. So the retribution is going straight at them.

[facestabber]

As far as Eugene is concerned, I don't think he's stone cold Negan; he didn't betray the group just yet. He's just a coward and got caught without a plan when Sasha and Rosita showed up. He didn't want to do anything that would get all three killed. Just my thought on that.

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It was a suicide mission. They knew the consequences as told by having Sasha tell Enid to be ready for what is coming next. They spent all season building this up with Rosita's anger. People deal with trauma differently. Abraham's women couldn't just sit and wait any longer.

Even with Enid informing Maggie does the Hilltop have the means to fend off a full assault? And how would Alexandria know what's coming? I understand the anger and rage within and everyone wants Negan dead but the communities aren't ready.

[Moon Knight]

Even with Enid informing Maggie does the Hilltop have the means to fend off a full assault? And how would Alexandria know what's coming? I understand the anger and rage within and everyone wants Negan dead but the communities aren't ready.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree with you on that.

I believe the show wanted to get to the same destination as the comic but wanted to take a different approach to keep it fresh. Dwight is a good example of that.

[shootemindehead]

Problem is though, they're rushing and stretching credibility to get there. I actually can't believe we're practically up to 'All Out War' already.

Although, I've said before, AMC can't wait to overstep the comic's position, so they can finally just concertrate on a storyline that's completely their own.