TWD 8x04 "Some Guy" episode discussion... **SPOILERS*

[MinionZombie]

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Directed by: Dan Liu
Written by: David Leslie Johnson


A new weapon in the Savior arsenal proves to be a giant hurdle as fighting continues between Rick's forces and those of the Saviors.

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[Moon Knight]

My favorite episode this season so far. In fact, one of my favorites in all the series. Ezekiel needed this to happen.

This episode had it all for me. From great character moments, a sad character death, brutal kills, and classic zombie moments. Even that Jeffrey Dahmer looking Savior felt right.

Rip, Shiva.

[MinionZombie]

My favorite episode this season so far. In fact, one of my favorites in all the series. Ezekiel needed this to happen.

This episode had it all for me. From great character moments, a sad character death, brutal kills, and classic zombie moments. Even that Jeffrey Dahmer looking Savior felt right.

Rip, Shiva.

haha! I was thinking of Dahmer with that creepy Saviour dude, too! :lol:

Shiva's death was heroic, but also heartwrenching - and it played into the pulling down of King Ezekiel. Really good episode for the character as he was mercilessly picked apart piece by piece over the duration. Also - Carol kicking mucho bottom was a joy to behold.

Big losses for The Kingdom in this one, even Gerry's axe is kaput! How will they continue as a community from this point forward? All the loved ones who marched out with the King have perished ... ouch. :(

Before anyone asks "why did the Saviours shoot Ezekiel from their gun nest?" - 1) orders are to bring him back alive, 2) they were out of ammo (the rest was on the truck). :)

[JDP]

A bit hard to believe that a well-seasoned fighter like Carol did not think to simply shoot the truck's tires to prevent the two Saviors from being able to easily escape with the guns while she went to rescue Ezekiel and Jerry. And no, it would not take a lot of ammo to do this. A couple of well-placed shots would be enough to do the job of immobilizing or at least slowing down that truck. There are no valid excuses for her to have allowed it to so easily get away.

Also, a bit hard to believe that Rick's jeep could actually survive full-front bullet impacts from a friggin' .50 caliber gun! That would have stopped it right in its tracks.

[MinionZombie]

Just thinking about The Kingdom's people - some of those who left with Ezekiel will still be alive (the ones who splintered off to help take that outpost Team Rick had previously hit ... ... well, some of those who splintered off, anyyway!)


A bit hard to believe that a well-seasoned fighter like Carol did not think to simply shoot the truck's tires to prevent the two Saviors from being able to easily escape with the guns while she went to rescue Ezekiel and Jerry. And no, it would not take a lot of ammo to do this. A couple of well-placed shots would be enough to do the job of immobilizing or at least slowing down that truck. There are no valid excuses for her to have allowed it to so easily get away.

Also, a bit hard to believe that Rick's jeep could actually survive full-front bullet impacts from a friggin' .50 caliber gun! That would have stopped it right in its tracks.

Hindsight is gloriously 20/20, isn't it? In the heat of the battle you're not necessarily going to think with perfect precision and clarity - even Carol - especially so after so many of your people have been gunned down.

The .50 cal shooting the jeep - welllll, he abandoned the vehicle very quickly thereafter, and it was the radiator that took the hit ... ... but at the same time it's a ruddy .50 cal. A smidge more 'reason for poor aim' for the gunner (e.g. Rick popping off shots at the gunner) would have helped tidy it up a bit, but sometimes there's only so much action you can cram into a sequence. Aside from that the sequence was fun. :)

[JDP]

Hindsight is gloriously 20/20, isn't it? In the heat of the battle you're not necessarily going to think with perfect precision and clarity - even Carol - especially so after so many of your people have been gunned down.

The .50 cal shooting the jeep - welllll, he abandoned the vehicle very quickly thereafter, and it was the radiator that took the hit ... ... but at the same time it's a ruddy .50 cal. A smidge more 'reason for poor aim' for the gunner (e.g. Rick popping off shots at the gunner) would have helped tidy it up a bit, but sometimes there's only so much action you can cram into a sequence. Aside from that the sequence was fun. :)

Carol is cold and calculating. She has shown this over and over. Very unlikely that she would have just left without stopping or slowing down that truck she was there with the express purpose to stop from leaving.

We see that Rick's jeep got hit with .50 caliber bullets right in its front part several times. You know, right where the engine happens to be. That jeep would have been stopped right there. It was not armor plated, so no way that it would have stopped .50 caliber bullets from making it into the engine and causing fatal damage.

Just in case anyone is wondering what a .50 caliber machine gun can do to a non-armored car, take a look here:

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/m2-50-cal-machine-gun-utterly-destroys-car-video/

There is just NO FRIGGIN' WAY that Rick's jeep could possibly have kept on going after several full-front hits with one of these machine guns. The engine would have been ripped to shreds.

[Moon Knight]

In the real world things don’t always happen like you want. Carol shoots the tires then the Saviors can’t leave and will just continue to go after Carol while her friends are eaten at the gate.

[JDP]

In the real world things don’t always happen like you want. Carol shoots the tires then the Saviors can’t leave and will just continue to go after Carol while her friends are eaten at the gate.

They were pretty much out of ammo, as Carol suspected. Otherwise they would not have been hiding behind the truck instead of shooting at her.

[Moon Knight]

They were pretty much out of ammo, as Carol suspected. Otherwise they would not have been hiding behind the truck instead of shooting at her.

Idk, man, those guys would probably still rush her. Me personally, I really like when the heroes aren’t perfect and don’t always make the best choices. Carol is pretty over the top as it is as a believable badass. They ain’t always gonna make the right decisions and they shouldn’t; especially in the heat of the moment.

[MinionZombie]

Idk, man, those guys would probably still rush her. Me personally, I really like when the heroes aren’t perfect and don’t always make the best choices. Carol is pretty over the top as it is as a believable badass. They ain’t always gonna make the right decisions and they shouldn’t; especially in the heat of the moment.

Damn skippy. There's fantasy for dramatic purpose and fantasy for practical reasons. If Carol had shot out the tyres then you wouldn't have the chase sequence in the final act ... although I do agree that the use of a .50 cal was problematic in terms of "realism". It's really problematic trying to create a relatively "realistic" genre show - you have to use so many genre conventions and shortcuts, while also trying to be "realistic". It's an utter minefield.

A couple of little tweaks (e.g. more swerving from the humvee and Rick firing wild shots would have made the gunner even less accurate). However, these sequences are so tricky to stage as it is (and certainly with a limited budget and schedule) that you sometimes just have to let things go and be imperfect. They probably had to get that whole sequence bashed out in half a day (a day tops), probably - so you're really getting it as best as it can be got with those restraints.

I also wouldn't simply describe Carol as "cold". She's capable of being cold and calculating, but she went through hell in Season 6/7 having to come to terms with her actions - her response was anything but "cold", if you ask me.

Re-watched the death of Shiva again, and it's like the very heart of King Ezekiel being destroyed - indeed, the entire symbol of The Kingdom itself.

In terms of the story structure ... this was somewhat of a "bottle" episode, in that for the majority of the running time it was Ezekiel/Carol/Gerry with a segment for Rick/Daryl. I would like to see more of the overall getting told simultaneously inside each episode, but the story of this episode kind of demands this particular focus. I see we'll get some Negan next week - but three episodes without him? Again, we circle back to the problem of having such a vast cast (whose popularity on the show makes them in-demand actors gaining jobs elsewhere). It must be a scheduling nightmare to put it all together! :stunned: I imagine this will partly determine the story structure. I would like to see a more 'fragmented' way of telling the story, so you get some pieces of more of the cast more regularly ... but then if you're trying to deal with a particular character or theme inside an episode that causes more problems than it fixes.

It would be nice, though, to get some 'pieces' of the other characters to dot across each episode, so some of the cast don't go AWOL too long. Weird, too, because we've had three episodes without anything new relating to that guy at the petrol station or Rick's rather frazzled look that was linked to that. If you're going to get 'pieces' then you need to keep getting 'pieces' drip-fed to you, not have it abandoned only to be picked up along the line. However, even lots of simultaneous fragments can be problematic - West World was telling multiple stories across multiple points in time with the same characters (unbeknownst to the audience), which made it a difficult watch for the majority of the season until it was all revealed in the finale how it pieced together ... but the overall structure of West World was so complex that it was difficult to know what the hell was going on and why, at times. With TWD, on the other hand, we do know what's going on.

[Moon Knight]

Damn right, MZ. Most fans don’t realize they only get 6 days to film an episode and with a limited budget. They don’t get 10 mil like Game of Thrones does. That’s why I’m a bit more forgiving for imperfection with the bigger action sequences.

Shiva went down quicker imo due to being attacked by walkers covered in deadly chemicals. One bite from one of the things covered in that crap must not feel really nice. Notice how they bled the chemicals when Jerry sliced them? That’s why they just couldn’t go in and slaughter them wildly. Kinda like how the Xenomorphs bled acid in Aliens.

There was also some heavy foreshadowing for Ezekiel’s future written in as well.

Also, MZ, Westworld was awesome haha. Good comparison there. The actors schedule’s really affected this first half big time.

[JDP]

Damn skippy. There's fantasy for dramatic purpose and fantasy for practical reasons. If Carol had shot out the tyres then you wouldn't have the chase sequence in the final act ... although I do agree that the use of a .50 cal was problematic in terms of "realism". It's really problematic trying to create a relatively "realistic" genre show - you have to use so many genre conventions and shortcuts, while also trying to be "realistic". It's an utter minefield.

A couple of little tweaks (e.g. more swerving from the humvee and Rick firing wild shots would have made the gunner even less accurate). However, these sequences are so tricky to stage as it is (and certainly with a limited budget and schedule) that you sometimes just have to let things go and be imperfect. They probably had to get that whole sequence bashed out in half a day (a day tops), probably - so you're really getting it as best as it can be got with those restraints.

I also wouldn't simply describe Carol as "cold". She's capable of being cold and calculating, but she went through hell in Season 6/7 having to come to terms with her actions - her response was anything but "cold", if you ask me.

The issue with the .50 caliber bullets hitting the front of Rick's jeep and it remaining operational long enough to allow Rick to catch up with the truck could have easily been given a dose of believability by making his jeep have some armor plating: a thick steel plate positioned at the front of the jeep, for example, would have done the job of either stopping, deflecting or at least slowing down and lessening the penetration of the .50 caliber bullets into the engine part of the vehicle. And we should not be surprised at all that any vehicle in the apocalypse could very well have improvised armor already fitted on it. This is just lazy writing again.

When I say that Carol is cold and calculating I mean in combat situations. She's the kind of combat-hardened person for whom it would have been very natural to think ahead and impair the mobility of the truck before leaving to do something else, rather than have it easily drive away with its dangerous cargo.

[shootemindehead]

My favorite episode this season so far. In fact, one of my favorites in all the series. Ezekiel needed this to happen.

This episode had it all for me. From great character moments, a sad character death, brutal kills, and classic zombie moments. Even that Jeffrey Dahmer looking Savior felt right.

Rip, Shiva.

Sums it up for me too. Except I see young Jack Nicholson, not Dahmer. Even sounded a bit like him.

Bout time that CGI tiger went though.

Carol, still my favorite TWD character.

[Moon Knight]

Sums it up for me too. Except I see young Jack Nicholson, not Dahmer. Even sounded a bit like him.

Bout time that CGI tiger went though.

Carol, still my favorite TWD character.

You didn’t like Shiva?

[MinionZombie]

Damn right, MZ. Most fans don’t realize they only get 6 days to film an episode and with a limited budget. They don’t get 10 mil like Game of Thrones does. That’s why I’m a bit more forgiving for imperfection with the bigger action sequences.

There was also some heavy foreshadowing for Ezekiel’s future written in as well.

Also, MZ, Westworld was awesome haha. Good comparison there. The actors schedule’s really affected this first half big time.

1) I believe it's 8 days, but even still, it's astonishing. Meanwhile with GoT they've often spoken of filming the major battles (e.g. Hard Home, Battle of the Bastards) over the course of several weeks. The two vehicles in this week's TWD would have been spread over two days max. Plus there's the location shooting factor - you've only got so much daylight to work with, plus the unforgiving heat. Interior actions sequences would be more forgiving on the crew, but still a challenge under their budget and schedule constraints.

2) Yep, I caught that as well! :shifty:

3) Aye, I enjoyed Westworld ... but it did take me until episode six (of ten) to start really getting into it. It was a real struggle to find my footing during the first half. It made enough sense in the end, but there was a lot of trust involved in keeping people along for the long ride until the reveal at the end. And, of course, circling back to budget - Westworld was also getting 10 million per episode as a budget IIRC. Cable channels like AMC (and many others) simply cannot match HBO's budgets, which is one piece of what sets HBO apart from the pack.


The issue with the .50 caliber bullets hitting the front of Rick's jeep and it remaining operational long enough to allow Rick to catch up with the truck could have easily been given a dose of believability by making his jeep have some armor plating: a thick steel plate positioned at the front of the jeep, for example.

Yeah, that would have sorted it out nicely - considering it's a .50 cal, as well, it could have perhaps slowly the bullet or caused fragments to splinter through the engine bay leading to a slow death for the engine with just enough time for Indiana Jones jump. Although, where did the jeep come from? Was it a Saviour vehicle?


Bout time that CGI tiger went though.

Carol, still my favorite TWD character.

Awww ... I really liked Shiva. - Although it was absolutely the right time for her to go narratively speaking.

Carol - aye - the lady rocks! And McBride's performance has been stellar since season one. :thumbsup:

[Moon Knight]

Yeah I agree about the 50. Cal. Should have ripped through the vehicle but oh well. The Jeep looks like it came from the Savior compound they just came from. All of their own vehicles had the armor plating on it with the exception of Daryl of course.

[JDP]

Yeah I agree about the 50. Cal. Should have ripped through the vehicle but oh well. The Jeep looks like it came from the Savior compound they just came from. All of their own vehicles had the armor plating on it with the exception of Daryl of course.

Seeing as this is the apocalypse, and the Saviors are constantly butting heads with other groups, it would have been hardly surprising if some of their vehicles were also fitted with improvised armor. So this is another example of lazy writing. They could easily have made the jeep that Rick commandeered to also have some armor plating, including at the front. That would have made it more believable that it could have withstood several .50 caliber bullet impacts directly on its engine area and still remain operational long enough to allow Rick to catch up with the truck.

[Moon Knight]

Seeing as this is the apocalypse, and the Saviors are constantly butting heads with other groups, it would have been hardly surprising if some of their vehicles were also fitted with improvised armor. So this is another example of lazy writing. They could easily have made the jeep that Rick commandeered to also have some armor plating, including at the front. That would have made it more believable that it could have withstood several .50 caliber bullet impacts directly on its engine area and still remain operational long enough to allow Rick to catch up with the truck.

How is that lazy writing? I disagree. Both groups are gonna one up eachoter and one group not using a similar strategy isn’t considered lazy writing imo.

Lazy writing for me is how they treat wounds. People can get shot, stabbed, ect, and never really sell it after. People heal super quickly. For example, I really don’t get why Michonne wasn’t wearing and bandages on her face or the lack of bruises after her beating at the hands of that one Scrapper during 7x16. Consistency has always been my biggest pet peeve with the show.

Character flaws will never be considered lazy writing for me unless they write in something that is completely out of character.

[shootemindehead]

You didn’t like Shiva?

Stuck out like blow up penis at a meeting of the Sisters of the Immaculate Conception.

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Awww ... I really liked Shiva. - Although it was absolutely the right time for her to go narratively speaking.

I dunno if it's around still in the comics. But for the TV show, yeh, it had to go. Everytime she appeared on screen, it just shattered the realism. It was well done in some cases. But, too often it just looked off.


Carol - aye - the lady rocks! And McBride's performance has been stellar since season one. :thumbsup:

Easily the best TWD character bar none in my book. The one character arc (<- I hate these film school drop out terms) that's been compelling an satisfying.

[JDP]

How is that lazy writing? I disagree. Both groups are gonna one up eachoter and one group not using a similar strategy isn’t considered lazy writing imo.

Lazy writing for me is how they treat wounds. People can get shot, stabbed, ect, and never really sell it after. People heal super quickly. For example, I really don’t get why Michonne wasn’t wearing and bandages on her face or the lack of bruises after her beating at the hands of that one Scrapper during 7x16. Consistency has always been my biggest pet peeve with the show.

Character flaws will never be considered lazy writing for me unless they write in something that is completely out of character.

It's lazy writing because it is not that difficult to fix, yet they did not, like if they just don't feel like it. Is it so difficult to have had Rick commandeer a jeep that happens to be armored? Or have the Savior shoot Rick's jeep with a smaller caliber gun that would not have caused massive damage on its engine? Instead they just left "as is" and made the whole scene very difficult to digest.

[Neil]

Yeah I agree about the 50. Cal. Should have ripped through the vehicle but oh well. The Jeep looks like it came from the Savior compound they just came from. All of their own vehicles had the armor plating on it with the exception of Daryl of course.

They can hit dozens of people running around wildly from 200 yards away like a sniper... But not two blokes weaving 10ft left and right slowly just 50 yards away?

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It's lazy writing because it is not that difficult to fix, yet they did not, like if they just don't feel like it. Is it so difficult to have had Rick commandeer a jeep that happens to be armored? Or have the Savior shoot Rick's jeep with a smaller caliber gun that would not have caused massive damage on its engine? Instead they just left "as is" and made the whole scene very difficult to digest.

Agreed... Like when the were putting the gun in the truck, and Carol come out needlessly to expose herself instead of just shooting covered from where she was? It's just feeling more and more contrived :(

And if she'd simply just layed down and looked and shot the two remaining Saviours legs when they were at the front of the truck?

[Moon Knight]

It's lazy writing because it is not that difficult to fix, yet they did not, like if they just don't feel like it. Is it so difficult to have had Rick commandeer a jeep that happens to be armored? Or have the Savior shoot Rick's jeep with a smaller caliber gun that would not have caused massive damage on its engine? Instead they just left "as is" and made the whole scene very difficult to digest.

It didn’t bother me. It’s not perfect but it didn’t ruin it for me. The episode still accomplished what it had to and was pretty damn good.

[MinionZombie]

Lazy writing for me is how they treat wounds. People can get shot, stabbed, ect, and never really sell it after. People heal super quickly. For example, I really don’t get why Michonne wasn’t wearing and bandages on her face or the lack of bruises after her beating at the hands of that one Scrapper during 7x16. Consistency has always been my biggest pet peeve with the show.

The wounds thing has always been a genre "problem" - people get shot and keep on fighting - however, as we've seen with Rosita, she's sitting out the fight because of her wound (and, presumably, scheduling problems! :lol: ) If characters in genre fare reacted to violence like real people do in real life, the fights would be over in seconds. The Raid would be a short friggin' movie, that's for sure! But, as another example - look at Rick's recovery from the fight with The Governor in Season 4. He was messed up and it took seveal episodes for him to recover - he almost died of his injuries in 4x09 (one of the finest episodes we've had). I'd also note that we've had consistent scarring to Rick's face in the last few seasons since.

Something has to give at some point, and you've got to keep the story driving forward. Having to be completely realistic about injuries (in a show where friggin' zombies exist!) causes all sorts of problems for steering the ship. A gun opens fire on a group - someone's gonna get shot - but you can't halt the entire story just for that. Sometimes it can become the story, like in this episode where Ezekiel's leg wound became part of the drama and his unfolding character arc in the episode.


Stuck out like blow up penis at a meeting of the Sisters of the Immaculate Conception.

I dunno if it's around still in the comics. But for the TV show, yeh, it had to go. Everytime she appeared on screen, it just shattered the realism. It was well done in some cases. But, too often it just looked off.

Easily the best TWD character bar none in my book. The one character arc (<- I hate these film school drop out terms) that's been compelling an satisfying.

1) :lol:
2) Shiva died a long time ago in the comics. The events of this episode were honouring that death.
3) It's not "film school drop out" lingo - it's just what it's called, and an accurate descriptor of its function. :sneaky: ... I'd also proffer numerous other character arcs that have been mighty satisfying (Rick, Shane, Daryl, Maggie, etc).


It's lazy writing because it is not that difficult to fix, yet they did not, like if they just don't feel like it. Is it so difficult to have had Rick commandeer a jeep that happens to be armored? Or have the Savior shoot Rick's jeep with a smaller caliber gun that would not have caused massive damage on its engine? Instead they just left "as is" and made the whole scene very difficult to digest.

Have you written a screenplay? Like everything else on this planet, it's harder than it looks. You've got so many things you need to achieve within a certain amount of pages and, on a show like TWD, you've also got to service episodes that came before and are coming up. It's hard to see the forest for the trees when you're nose-close to what you're writing ... which is why it'd be cool if they could hire someone whose specific job was to look at the scripts just before they were ready to be signed off to go onto the next stage and look for any little tweaks that could help sell a certain moment (e.g. having Negan use human shields and some solid cover in 8x01 instead of being so brazen to be less distracting to those who didn't pick up on certain details in the dialogue). It's incredibly difficult to hit every single detail spot-on within a certain amount of time - these writers don't have years or months to craft and fine tune their screenplays, they've got a matter of weeks to go from a blank page to a fully finished script that's ready to go to the production crew, while also being involved in mapping out fifteen other episodes.

[JDP]

Have you written a screenplay? Like everything else on this planet, it's harder than it looks. You've got so many things you need to achieve within a certain amount of pages and, on a show like TWD, you've also got to service episodes that came before and are coming up. It's hard to see the forest for the trees when you're nose-close to what you're writing ... which is why it'd be cool if they could hire someone whose specific job was to look at the scripts just before they were ready to be signed off to go onto the next stage and look for any little tweaks that could help sell a certain moment (e.g. having Negan use human shields and some solid cover in 8x01 instead of being so brazen to be less distracting to those who didn't pick up on certain details in the dialogue). It's incredibly difficult to hit every single detail spot-on within a certain amount of time - these writers don't have years or months to craft and fine tune their screenplays, they've got a matter of weeks to go from a blank page to a fully finished script that's ready to go to the production crew, while also being involved in mapping out fifteen other episodes.

What you are pointing out is valid for smaller details, but not so much when it comes to important ones that have more relevancy for the plot. In this case, it is necessary that Rick's vehicle remains operational long enough to catch up with the truck. If that doesn't happen the events will unfold quite differently. Therefore it is not an element of the story that can be taken lightly. In order to make the audience be able to accept Rick catching up and stopping the truck, you have to try to make it at least somewhat believable. Can you imagine Rick himself or any other human getting hit by a .50 caliber bullet and somehow surviving? No, right, nobody would swallow that one. Well, it is pretty much the same thing with a jeep's engine getting hit several times with the same brutal rounds. So this is an important detail for the plot that needed to be written in a manner that the audience could at least accept as "possible".

[Moon Knight]

Concerning the wounds, I get more annoyed with the easy stuff, like I had pointed out, Michonne could have easily been wearing bandages at least. Compare her face from 7x16 to how she appeared in 8x1. I’m assuming not much time has passed because she sat out the attack with Rosita due to how she felt.

[MinionZombie]

Concerning the wounds, I get more annoyed with the easy stuff, like I had pointed out, Michonne could have easily been wearing bandages at least. Compare her face from 7x16 to how she appeared in 8x1. I’m assuming not much time has passed because she sat out the attack with Rosita due to how she felt.

I hadn't noticed it personally - but then again I've not seen 7x16 since it originally aired. Some of these things are a bit unclear at times - how much time has passed and such - but it can't have been all that long (you wouldn't want Negan to get too prepared), but then again they too would have had to hatch a whole plan of action (get those vehicles armoured, place the bombs to help lead the herd). It might have been a few days ... but if it has, there might be a worry of getting the drop fallen on you from the bad guys, if that makes sense? Then again, the Saviours needed to sort their end out as well. There's a period of mobilisation, I suppose. It'd be nice to have some of that stuff made a little clearer in the episodes - but, space on the script page is at a premium when you've got so much going on, when there's so many things you need to cover. Sometimes things might be in the script but then have to get cut for time.

[Moon Knight]

I hadn't noticed it personally - but then again I've not seen 7x16 since it originally aired. Some of these things are a bit unclear at times - how much time has passed and such - but it can't have been all that long (you wouldn't want Negan to get too prepared), but then again they too would have had to hatch a whole plan of action (get those vehicles armoured, place the bombs to help lead the herd). It might have been a few days ... but if it has, there might be a worry of getting the drop fallen on you from the bad guys, if that makes sense? Then again, the Saviours needed to sort their end out as well. There's a period of mobilisation, I suppose. It'd be nice to have some of that stuff made a little clearer in the episodes - but, space on the script page is at a premium when you've got so much going on, when there's so many things you need to cover. Sometimes things might be in the script but then have to get cut for time.

Fair enough but for the love of Jesus Paul Rovia get some bandaids on that woman’s face! :D

Comic comparison below.

Comic Andrea caught that beat down instead and in the same exact scene portrayed in the show, where Michonne told Carl “This is your show now”, Andrea had bandages all over her face like Rick had after his fight with Pete.

[MinionZombie]

Fair enough but for the love of Jesus Paul Rovia get some bandaids on that woman’s face! :D

Comic comparison below.

Comic Andrea caught that beat down instead and in the same exact scene portrayed in the show, where Michonne told Carl “This is your show now”, Andrea had bandages all over her face like Rick had after his fight with Pete.

Like I say, I'd have to re-watch it again for my own benefit, but I agree with you on the continuity principal. Re-watching that bit with Michonne in 8x01 ... yeah, she doesn't look much like she's been in a fight at all (brutal or otherwise)! I wonder what went on there with the make-up? :rockbrow:

[Moon Knight]

Like I say, I'd have to re-watch it again for my own benefit, but I agree with you on the continuity principal. Re-watching that bit with Michonne in 8x01 ... yeah, she doesn't look much like she's been in a fight at all (brutal or otherwise)! I wonder what went on there with the make-up? :rockbrow:

Yeah, dude, her face was pretty banged up. Busted lip and severely swollen eye; she looked like the Toxic Avenger.

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, dude, her face was pretty banged up. Busted lip and severely swollen eye; she looked like the Toxic Avenger.

Maybe they could have stuck her in a ropey old tutu and replaced the katana with a mop to help distract from the curious lack of continuity to the wounds. Very puzzling - especially on a show famed for it's superb make-up effects! I wonder if any reasons will be revealed on the commentary once the home video release comes out...

[Moon Knight]

Maybe they could have stuck her in a ropey old tutu and replaced the katana with a mop to help distract from the curious lack of continuity to the wounds. Very puzzling - especially on a show famed for it's superb make-up effects! I wonder if any reasons will be revealed on the commentary once the home video release comes out...

How good are the commentary tracks? I adored watching the GAR and crew ones from Night, Dawn, Day, ect.

[MinionZombie]

How good are the commentary tracks? I adored watching the GAR and crew ones from Night, Dawn, Day, ect.

It depends who is on them. If you have someone like Nicotero on he's got plenty of interest to say, but some others don't have much to say so there's long gaps with nobody talking. It's kind of a mixed bag and a pot shot, really. Some of them are quite entertaining and informative, others not so much.

Speaking of enjoyable commentaries in general, the ones for Red Dwarf (Series 1 through 8, anyway - they don't do commentaries on the newer episodes) are hilarious and benefit from having the actors (who have known each other for years) just having a hell of a lot of fun. I've been meaning to give those a re-listen. I love it when you get really entertaining commentaries - e.g. Simon Pegg/Nick Frost/Edgar Wright commentaries are always bloody good fun. I think I listened to every commentary on Scott Pilgrim - constant talking and thoroughly entertaining.

And, aye, agreed - the restrospective commentary tracks that Romero did for his flicks are all very enjoyable & informative. I recall the one for Knightriders being particularly warm. :)

[Moon Knight]

It depends who is on them. If you have someone like Nicotero on he's got plenty of interest to say, but some others don't have much to say so there's long gaps with nobody talking. It's kind of a mixed bag and a pot shot, really. Some of them are quite entertaining and informative, others not so much.

Speaking of enjoyable commentaries in general, the ones for Red Dwarf (Series 1 through 8, anyway - they don't do commentaries on the newer episodes) are hilarious and benefit from having the actors (who have known each other for years) just having a hell of a lot of fun. I've been meaning to give those a re-listen. I love it when you get really entertaining commentaries - e.g. Simon Pegg/Nick Frost/Edgar Wright commentaries are always bloody good fun. I think I listened to every commentary on Scott Pilgrim - constant talking and thoroughly entertaining.

And, aye, agreed - the restrospective commentary tracks that Romero did for his flicks are all very enjoyable & informative. I recall the one for Knightriders being particularly warm. :)

I loved the Knightriders commentary track! You really got the sense these guys were all family. From The Crazies and Martin and all the way to Day of the Dead, those conversations were the best. Very informative and fun as hell to sit back and listen to.

Edgar Wright and friends are a blast too!