Halloween (film) - 2018 [Archive]

bassman

06-Jun-2018, 05:18 PM

John Carpenter is involved with David Gordon Green and Danny McBride in bringing this reboot/sequel to the original Halloween film. Ignoring all the sequels in the past, this will pick up with Jamie Lee Curtis’ character, her daughter, and granddaughter 40 years later. The original “The Shape” actor has also returned.

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The mask looks really good, to me. Something that past sequels seemed to stumble with. Although I seriously hope they come up with a more original title before release. We don’t need a third “Halloween” and much like “The Thing” prequel, it screams of laziness and just doesn’t make sense.

MinionZombie

06-Jun-2018, 06:19 PM

Ooh, the original Myers actor is back? Nice! That shot of him looming in the liminal space of the cupboard door got me interested ... fingers crossed this turns out well. I really, really hope it does.

I agree. Even if the title had some generic sub-title like "Legacy" or "The Return" would be better than what The Thing 2011 did.

bassman

06-Jun-2018, 08:14 PM

As I’d predicted in the shout box the other day: trailer for the trailer. :rolleyes:

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Tis nice to hear the theme again, though.

MinionZombie

07-Jun-2018, 10:45 AM

I f*cking hate trailer-trailers, much like I hate those 'trailer tasters' that run for a few seconds right before the actual bloody trailer. Movie advertisers are the worst.

bassman

08-Jun-2018, 04:32 PM

Yet another. “Tomorrow” trailer for the trailer. :|

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At least this one has real footage, but still silly.

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And finally, the full trailer:

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Looks okay, but not sure what to think yet. Laurie is in straight up Sarah Conner mode!

MinionZombie

08-Jun-2018, 05:13 PM

Ah, good to see they're gonna release it in October ... rather than, I don't know, friggin' August or something. :rolleyes:

I'm certainly intrigued! As you say, hard to get a gauge on it yet, but I'm hopeful. :thumbsup:

bassman

09-Jun-2018, 12:38 AM

Just saw this on another forum, made me chuckle. Halloween III Silver Shamrock masks....

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beat_truck

09-Jun-2018, 01:31 AM

This actually doesn't look too bad. I'm sure I'll watch it eventually.

shootemindehead

09-Jun-2018, 01:58 PM

Looks alright. Probably a bit standard and I'd say that trailer just gave away one of the biggest scare scenes. :rolleyes:

But, I'm still uncomfortable about drop kicking all of the Halloween series into the bin. Although I've only really counted 'Halloween II' as the official sequel, as it were.

bassman

09-Jun-2018, 04:37 PM

Ah, good to see they're gonna release it in October ... rather than, I don't know, friggin' August or something. :rolleyes:

Were Rob Zombie’s two Halloween films not released in October?

MinionZombie

09-Jun-2018, 05:44 PM

Were Rob Zombie’s two Halloween films not released in October?

IIRC they were both shoved out in August. The first one ended up doing very well, so the brainiacs figured they'd just do the same again ... but it tanked.

Even still - releasing a movie called Halloween in any other month than October (no matter the box office theory) just seems ludicrous to me, so I'm glad they're releasing this one properly.

shootemindehead

10-Jun-2018, 11:24 AM

Rob Zombie's versions were released in Aug 2007 and 09.

ProfessorChaos

10-Jun-2018, 07:58 PM

But, I'm still uncomfortable about drop kicking all of the Halloween series into the bin. Although I've only really counted 'Halloween II' as the official sequel, as it were.

i'm right there with ya. halloween ii was the perfect sequel in my opinion, and they should have at least figured that one in this current timeline. the others are pretty hit-and-miss for me....but the mythos and timeline has been pretty convoluted over the years and it's good to trim some of the fat i suppose.

kinda interested in seeing this one, and nice to see plenty of nods to the original film. although i do think it's odd michael would be coming after laurie strode after 40 years if you take the family angle out of the equation.

bassman

10-Jun-2018, 11:53 PM

At one point they were saying that this film does indeed take place after Halloween II. I wonder if that was just inaccurate reporting or if the plan changed at some point. But I guess with the inclusion of the “he’s not her brother” dialogue, that does mean that it excludes the second film. It WAS the second film that first introduced the sibling angle, wasn’t it? Forgive me if my memory is off, I own all the films and enjoy them from time to time, but I’m not as deep into it as some.

MinionZombie

11-Jun-2018, 10:59 AM

I am a big fan of Halloween II, particularly as it feels so closely linked to the original film. Even if the tone somewhat shifts according the emerging slasher craze of the time, it still has the same look and feel of the original film and they tie it in beautifully.

IIRC Michael flat out dies at the end of Halloween II, though - what with the big fireball explosion that also takes out Loomis. So that'd be tricky to get around! However, do we know for sure whether HII is included (or not included) in the lore of this new one? Perhaps they'll tweak the ending of HII to suit their needs?

As for going back for Laurie? She's the one who got away. Unfinished business. But I did like the subplot of her being related to Michael. It kind of added a bit of extra oomph to her plight and his killer obsession.

shootemindehead

11-Jun-2018, 12:23 PM

No, this skips 'Halloween II'.

bassman

11-Jun-2018, 04:55 PM

Being that Carpenter was involved with the second film, it’s a bit surprising that they decided it wouldn’t be involved with this reboot/sequel. It certainly makes sense to ignore Laurie Strode’s involvement with the further sequels, though. Resurrection was really bad and wreaked of Curtis wanting to collect a paycheck and kill off the character.

MinionZombie

11-Jun-2018, 05:26 PM

beat_truck

11-Jun-2018, 07:40 PM

Hmm, I don't think I've seen Resurrection. I know I've seen all the rest and own most of them, though.

The first two are classics and I like them almost equally. I badly hated the third when I was younger, but it has grown a lot on me and I actually like it now. The rest are "meh" at best.

bassman

11-Jun-2018, 07:54 PM

JDP

11-Jun-2018, 09:43 PM

Season of the Witch(III) has also grown on me over the years. That seems to be the case for a lot of fans. The more removed from it’s release and coming to terms with it being it’s own story, fans are coming out of the woodwork in support of the film. Plus it stars the man, Tom Atkins, so that automatically gives it an edge! :p

It's a cool movie, but, in retrospective, making it part of the Halloween movies was not the best choice. The filmmakers at the time did not envision that the fans would associate the franchise exclusively with Michael Myers.

bassman

11-Jun-2018, 11:26 PM

Yeah, they evidently miscalculated how much the fans had already attached the character of Myers to the title “Halloween”. Although I do still think that their initial intention of making a series of anthology films could have been interesting. A different film every year for the Halloween season could have been great had they been able to follow through with it successfully.

For anyone confused about the multiple different Halloween timelines, maybe this will help:

https://i.imgur.com/rVL69A3.jpg

:lol:

EvilNed

12-Jun-2018, 08:47 AM

They should just retroactively rename Halloween 3 something else. As it stands now it makes no sense whatsoever.

I've only seen it once. I thought the whole idea was crap. Lasers in masks and all that.

MinionZombie

12-Jun-2018, 10:59 AM

There was a good episode of the podcast "How Did This Get Made?" that was all about Halloween 3 - check it out some time. :)

Likewise, Halloween 3 has grown on me more as time has gone on, although that might be more in theory because IIRC I've only seen it once - but I waited a very long time because I knew that it didn't feature Michael Myers. Eventually I gave it a go and was pleasantly surprised - I rather enjoyed it. It's the last in the franchise to have that Carpenter vibe to it (they music, the credits, the cinematography etc) ... but it certainly is utterly barmy!

Did they intend to do 'a different story' for each movie from the very beginning of the franchise, though? Or was that something they dreamed up after Halloween II?

shootemindehead

12-Jun-2018, 11:10 AM

I love that stupid film.

It's utterly farcical. But great entertainment.

bassman

12-Jun-2018, 11:12 AM

Did they intend to do 'a different story' for each movie from the very beginning of the franchise, though? Or was that something they dreamed up after Halloween II?

IIRC, Carpenter had wanted to do something different with Halloween II? And maybe it was the producers that made him write one “last” Myers film? It’s been a while, so I’d have to check the documentaries again, though...

nectarsis

13-Jun-2018, 04:46 AM

Actually pretty hyped for this looks like a return to a classic formula.

EvilNed

13-Jun-2018, 07:07 AM

Actually pretty hyped for this looks like a return to a classic formula.

Me too.

bassman

13-Jun-2018, 06:05 PM

There was a good episode of the podcast "How Did This Get Made?" that was all about Halloween 3 - check it out some time. :)

I just gave this a listen. Very funny and interesting podcast! They brought up some points that I’d never even considered. Subscribing for their other entries!

MinionZombie

13-Jun-2018, 06:56 PM

I just gave this a listen. Very funny and interesting podcast! They brought up some points that I’d never even considered. Subscribing for their other entries!

They've done quite a lot of good episodes, but a few I'd highly recommend listening to sharpish are Chopping Mall, Maximum Overdrive, Crank 1, Crank 2, and Sleepaway Camp. :thumbsup:

bassman

14-Jun-2018, 03:36 AM

I’m watching Cinemassacre/AVGN’s YouTube video review of the entire Halloween series and he pointed out a little piece of trivia that I found interesting....

So just about everyone knows that Myers’ mask is actually modified from a Captain Kirk(William Shatner) mask from Star Trek. However, he pointed out the following screen cap and the fact that it’s quite possible that the mask was created using Shatner’s head mold from a movie called “The Devil’s Rain”:

https://dailydead.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Devils-Rain.jpg

As you can see, there are some similar expressions/features. It’s kind of a silly and useless piece of information, but I enjoy that type of trivia and thought I’d share.

EDIT:

He also points out that they apparently copied the Pink Panther film titles for sequels 4 through 6. Return of Michael Myers, Revenge of Michael Myers, and Curse of Michael Myers = Return of The Pink Panther, Revenge of The Pink Panther, and Curse of the Pink Panther. :lol:

MinionZombie

14-Jun-2018, 11:02 AM

bassman

14-Jun-2018, 11:16 AM

haha, I hadn't noticed that title comparison before.

Yep. That Shatner effect in the image does look quite familiar around the eyes and brow, doesn't it? I'd assumed it was some halloween mask that had been adapted, or perhaps a commercially available Shatner mask was made from that particular mold?

It was a commercially available mask, I think AVGN’s point was that while the commercial mask was marketed as a Star Trek/Captain Kirk product, there are some signs pointing to the sculpt of the mask actually originating from Shatner’s Head cast from that movie, “The Devil’s Rain”.

bassman

15-Jun-2018, 07:56 PM

I’ve always liked Cinemassacre and Angry Video Game Nerd, so I thought I’d share this short video they posted today, addressing the multiple timelines, titles, and many deaths/resurrections of the franchise:

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MinionZombie

16-Jun-2018, 11:50 AM

bassman

16-Jun-2018, 12:14 PM

:lol:

Ah, yes! I also remember Lou’s raging hatred for Zombie’s remake quite well. Like you, I enjoy the remake and feel like it works well on it’s own if the viewer can detach themselves from the history of the original and it’s franchise.

At one point I would claim it’s better than Carpenter’s original and he’d lose his sh*t! Good times.

codybene

22-Jun-2018, 07:36 PM

Really can't wait to see this movie. The director is back to clear the time line. FYI only 1 episode to catch up with cuz this is set right after the first one.

EvilNed

24-Jun-2018, 04:13 PM

Haha, I didn't watch the trailer until now. That closet scare at the end actually frightened me. Shame they spoiled it in the trailer.

MinionZombie

24-Jun-2018, 05:12 PM

Haha, I didn't watch the trailer until now. That closet scare at the end actually frightened me. Shame they spoiled it in the trailer.

Aye, surprisingly effective. While it didn't scare me (I'm so innured to horror movie scares nowadays), it did make me quite tense. Hopefully they've got a few more such moments in the actual movie, eh? :cool:

bassman

25-Jun-2018, 02:06 PM

The closet scare was effective, but I felt like the girl tries shutting the door a few too many times before the reveal. Should’ve been pushing the door maybe two times, then the reveal.

shootemindehead

26-Jun-2018, 12:41 PM

It's probably the only effective scare in the whole film.

Moon Knight

27-Jun-2018, 02:12 AM

haha, excellent and to the point video there from Cinemassacre, funny too. :cool:

Although I quite like Rob Zombie's Halloween II ... I know it has a boatload of problems, but the Director's Cut is superior (same with the Director's Cut of the 2007 remake), and there's many things I love about it to balance out the things I really don't like about it. However, I'm a big fan of the 2007 remake. I know it goes in a very different direction in some regards, but I like that it didn't just do a step-by-step retreat of JC's (superior, natch) original. LouCipherr hasn't been on the boards for quite a while, but I talk with him every now and then via email and I always tease him about how much I love RZ's Halloween II, hehe. :elol:

I don't actually love that film, but I do enjoy it quite a bit despite it's numerous flaws.

Dude, I love Rob Zombie's versions. I don't go around claiming they are amazing because I know Rob's films aren't for everyone, but I personally love Rob's style.

Reminds me of Romero where he always uses the same actors for his films. With the exception of constantly using his wife, I dig seeing old school cinema guys like William Forsythe, Tom Towels, and Ken Foree in modern stuff.

My man unearthed Austin Stoker from Assault on Precinct 13th for his latest flick haha.

MinionZombie

27-Jun-2018, 11:28 AM

Dude, I love Rob Zombie's versions. I don't go around claiming they are amazing because I know Rob's films aren't for everyone, but I personally love Rob's style.

Reminds me of Romero where he always uses the same actors for his films. With the exception of constantly using his wife, I dig seeing old school cinema guys like William Forsythe, Tom Towels, and Ken Foree in modern stuff.

My man unearthed Austin Stoker from Assault on Precinct 13th for his latest flick haha.

Have you seen "31"? It's, to be honest, not that good. Feels like a rushed and half-finished idea pulled from a drawer because money fell through on another project (I'd have really liked to see RZ's Broadstreet Bullies movie, or T-Rex, or indeed the Groucho movie he wants to make). Although, there are parts of it that I like - I enjoyed the protagonists quite a bit - but the movie does have an oppressively aggressive vibe to it, so it's not exactly a 'fun' watch. I'd say it's his weakest movie.

However, I've got high hopes for "3 From Hell". It seems as if the coppers who gunned down the Firefly family didn't kill them, but have kept them alive to face trial, and certain screenshots suggest the trio have become some sort of folk heroes (akin to what happened in the whirlwind around Ted Bundy during his trial, perhaps). So I'm really looking forward to that movie.

But yeah, I'm likewise a big fan of RZ's style and films. House of 1000 Corpses, The Devil's Rejects, Halloween (and my aforementioned soft spot for the flawed H2), The Haunted World of El Superbeasto, The Lords of Salem - I dig 'em. :thumbsup: Good to see him using some great character actors (even if they don't make the final cut - Adrienne Barbeau's scene in Halloween was cut out, unfortunately). When he's firing on all cylinders he's got a great eye for the visuals and has some really cool ideas that he plays around with, and doesn't pussyfoot around anything. Like him or not, he's an auteur as you just know when it's an RZ flick.

Looking forward to his new album, as well! :hyper:

bassman

27-Jun-2018, 11:36 AM

MinionZombie

27-Jun-2018, 05:15 PM

I don’t know anything about the film other than it’s happening, but he’s really bringing the three back after the events of Devil’s Rejects? It would be easier to accept a prequel to 1000 Corpses or even a film between the two somehow, but after Devil’s Rejects is a bit of a stretch. I also hope it doesn’t retroactively alter my opinion of Rejects, as it’s by far his best film.

I've only seen what RZ posts on social media regarding it - but the trio are back (likewise for some other favourites - including Danny Trejo's character of Rondo, indeed, I think both bounty hunter characters make a return). There's been a few little teaser images and candid shots of the playback monitor which do suggest them being in custody, as well as protest signs showing support for the trio of killers, which would suggest to me that they've become like folkloric heroes. That chimes with the 70s, what with Manson and Bundy both receiving cult status (with the latter, for instance, women would come from all over America to witness him in-person at the judicial proceedings! Vox pop footage of some of these folks is fascinating to behold.)

So, if this is indeed the case, it'd stand to reason that they survive the big shoot out, just, and the cops decide to take them into custody and nurse them back to health - so they can be tried, convicted, and sentenced to death.

That's my theory at least, but there are a number of folks with similar thoughts considering some of the tidbits we've seen. Let's see how it goes.

Totally off-topic, but anyway... :D

bassman

27-Aug-2018, 12:08 AM

Heh heh....

https://www.michael-myers.net/phpBB/download/file.php?id=72493

shootemindehead

27-Aug-2018, 01:13 AM

Cool. :D

MinionZombie

27-Aug-2018, 10:44 AM

Ooh, that tickles my fan-bone. :D

bassman

31-Aug-2018, 01:39 AM

Semi-related, but I thought some other members may be interested...

Fright-Rags.com has a collection of fantastic shirts from the classic Halloween films, as well as this new sequel. They’re premiering even more new designs next week as well. I own upwards of twenty of their shirts and the quality is top notch! They have tons of great designs for lots of other classics, as well. Including amazing designs for our beloved Romero films, check them out!

https://s15.postimg.cc/ytgazuhcr/20180830_180242.jpg

MinionZombie

31-Aug-2018, 11:16 AM

Aye, I think an artist they often use is Osbourne (who has also done a few covers for Arrow Video) and their artwork is absolutely superb, probably the best movie artist from the new crop that have hit the scene in recent years. :thumbsup:

bassman

01-Sep-2018, 01:20 AM

It makes me so happy to see Carpenter back in the fold. Awesome hat, too! :p

https://i.imgur.com/lzzsml8.jpg

MinionZombie

05-Sep-2018, 05:14 PM

New trailer!

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Neil

05-Sep-2018, 09:10 PM

Fingers crossed this does an "IT" on us.

ie: Does a modern take on the original that actually works!

bassman

11-Sep-2018, 12:31 AM

The film premiered at the Midnight Madness portion of the Toronto International Film Festival recently. The general concensus seems to be that they did it: it’s a proper return and very worthy of the original’s legacy. There are a few seemingly legitimate issues here and there, which are found in most films, but they’re saying it’s an amazing flick as a whole. If put into a grading scale, most of them seem to be around a seven or nine out of ten.

MinionZombie

11-Sep-2018, 10:38 AM

Saw a review of IGN ... now, I tend to not bother with IGN's movie reviews (they're a videogame reviewer after all, and their scale is kind of all over the shop) ... but anyway, they loved it and gave it a 9/10.

They mentioned there is a fair bit of humour in it, but it seems to work in context, so fingers crossed...

Moon Knight

19-Oct-2018, 09:25 PM

Good movie but it kind of what a little bit of a disappointment. Not that it’s bad or poorly made, just expected a bit more of a fresh take. Felt a bit ‘seen this all before already’ to me.

Not too much comedy and the bit it had really worked.

Music and sound design was pretty great.

The cinematography was good and one scene in particular was really badass! Really wish it had more of that.

I wish it was more intense though. Felt like everything that came before it.

All in all, the acting was good and the effects were great. A fine addition to the Halloween franchise.

ProfessorChaos

20-Oct-2018, 03:17 AM

Felt a bit ‘seen this all before already’ to me.

that's the vibe i picked up from all the trailers i've watched. almost every scene in the trailers is already in another previous film in the series. read a couple reviews that said this film is essentially H20 2.0, and that H20 did most of it better. totally turned off by the fact that they threw every film but the first in the garbage for this new timeline. pass for me, and this is coming from a guy who paid top dollar for a high-quality version of the original mask and dressed as the shape like four years in a row for halloween parties and gatherings.

Moon Knight

20-Oct-2018, 03:43 AM

that's the vibe i picked up from all the trailers i've watched. almost every scene in the trailers is already in another previous film in the series. read a couple reviews that said this film is essentially H20 2.0, and that H20 did most of it better. totally turned off by the fact that they threw every film but the first in the garbage for this new timeline. pass for me, and this is coming from a guy who paid top dollar for a high-quality version of the original mask and dressed as the shape like four years in a row for halloween parties and gatherings.

I didn’t watch any of the trailers but I believe it. They give away the entire movie now.

The story itself was the biggest letdown. Like you said, been there done that.

shootemindehead

20-Oct-2018, 06:00 AM

People I know that have seen it are giving it relatively poor reviews.

Shame.

Neil

20-Oct-2018, 01:31 PM

Mark Kermode thought it was OK/good...

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MinionZombie

20-Oct-2018, 05:01 PM

Total Film gave it a solid 3/5.

The reviewer seemed to think there was more humour in it than others have suggested, mind. :confused:

Neil

24-Oct-2018, 09:37 AM

Well, I actually thought it worked most of the time reasonably well. I'd give it a solid 6.5/10.

EvilNed

24-Oct-2018, 12:32 PM

Saw it Sunday. I'd give it a 8/10. I loved it. There was so many awesome scenes where the Shape lingers in the background. I appreciated that. The music, scored by Carpenter, also helped the film immensely. Another aspect of it was the violence. It's very brutal. Some killings are off screen, but even those are depicted in a very graphic manner - implying that Myers smashed someone's face until their chin dislocated.