Fear The Walking Dead: Season 5 TRAILER

[MinionZombie]

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Season 4 started brilliantly, but unfortunately it then continually slid downhill throughout the season (too many episodes and too much filler was a big reason for that).

Still, though, John Dorie in full blown wild west mode in a dusty down dual-wielding pistols - something to look forward to there!

[Buzzbomb]

Looking forward to this... nice to see Dwight resurface, though I think reprising Daniel again may be a stretch too far... Must watch Series 3 again to remind myself on his fate at the end of that...

[MinionZombie]

Looking forward to this... nice to see Dwight resurface, though I think reprising Daniel again may be a stretch too far... Must watch Series 3 again to remind myself on his fate at the end of that...

IIRC he was caught up in the whole dam collapse thing, which all the important people seem to have survived incredibly. :shifty: Does feel a bit of a stretch, doesn't it?

[Zombie Snack]

I'm sure I will watch but I so hope this season is a big improvement

[MinionZombie]

I'm sure I will watch but I so hope this season is a big improvement

Aye, likewise. Season 4 promised a lot and then squandered a lot after a good start, unfortunately. :(

[Moon Knight]

I spent all last season trying to convince MZ how much better FTWD was better than the last couple seasons of TWD proper but that last half was embarrassing. I’m checked out of this series. I’ll watch it but I still hope they end it this season.

[MinionZombie]

I spent all last season trying to convince MZ how much better FTWD was better than the last couple seasons of TWD proper but that last half was embarrassing. I’m checked out of this series. I’ll watch it but I still hope they end it this season.

So in other words you're trying to say that I was right and you were wrong? :)

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Yeah, I'll go with that. :lol:

Although I will say that 4x01 absolutely did live up to the standard of TWD's best episodes (mind you ... it did help that part of that episode was, essentially, TWD anyway :p ).

[Moon Knight]

Lol yeah until FTWD just became one big gimmick.

The premiere, the introduction of John Dorie, Al and her vehicle, the Vultures, Nick’s death, all good stuff. I didn’t even mind the back and forth in timelines.

Madison’s death was the beginning of the end for me.

The villain, the split group formula of storytelling, the bottle episodes, all that shit killed it for me and the lame finale along with the bait and switch of where the story was promised of going was the nail in the coffin.

Could get better but I just want the best characters in TWD already.

[Buzzbomb]

Another new trailer... a bit naff. Series 5 starts 2nd June...
https://youtu.be/yV5UDWA48iI

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[MinionZombie]

Hmmm ... yeah ... ... ... :shifty:

I do wish Alicia would get rid of that silly bludgeon she got off a broken machine gun.

[shootemindehead]

I spent all last season trying to convince MZ how much better FTWD was better than the last couple seasons of TWD proper but that last half was embarrassing.

That's a pity.

I've decided to give FTWD another go after checking out in S2. Started S3 and was like :eek: OH SHIT!!!! Travis KIA and felt it might be worth continuing.

I really will be done if it gets stupid again though. As a show, it's never really done it for me and my patience are very thin for it.

[MinionZombie]

I really will be done if it gets stupid again though. As a show, it's never really done it for me and my patience are very thin for it.

I'd be surprised if you make it all the way through season 3, to be honest.

By the end of that season I was done with it, but then Season 4 had a shake-up and I gave it a looksee out of curiosity, and while it started off great and really refreshed, the season really dropped in quality by a dramatic amount, especially in the back half. It's a shame, because John Dorie is an awesome character.

[shootemindehead]

I'd be surprised if you make it all the way through season 3, to be honest.

By the end of that season I was done with it, but then Season 4 had a shake-up and I gave it a looksee out of curiosity, and while it started off great and really refreshed, the season really dropped in quality by a dramatic amount, especially in the back half. It's a shame, because John Dorie is an awesome character.

Well, I'm on No.10 of S3 and so far it's been ok. It's easily the best of the three series I've seen so far. There are some very annoying character decisions going on though, just to stretch out the "drama". Why Madison allowed Troy to live, even after he killed that Indian lad in the back of the truck before he was set off on his exile is beyond stupid. You'd think someone would have learnt a few hard lessons by now about psychos and their willingness to fuck things up just because they can. But, that dumb crap happens in TWD too.

It becomes tiresome after a while.

[shootemindehead]

Right, so just finished S03 and S04.

While there's a definite upward tick in the quality in the show over all from the lack lustre S01 and S02, there is also a downward slope going on too within the individual series. There are continually dumb decisions made by the characters, both in 'Fear the Walking Dead', and 'The Walking Dead' is must be said, and far too much cheap drama involved. Madison's sacrifice was especially ridiculous

But, the absolute, most teeth grinding, irritating and infuriating aspect of any of the stupid character decisions that both series are guilty of, is this business of letting crazy fuckers live and then being astonished that the bugger things up later on. These people are continually allowed to carry on with their OBVIOUSLY psychopathic gibberish by characters who deserve their own deaths many times over for being bloody idiots. It's simply amazing, for all the wrong reasons. It just drives me nuts. I nearly cheered when Madison off'd Troy, even if it was ridiculously late in the day.

S03 is easily the best that the show has had to offer, even though there are some dodgy things going on there too. But S04 which starts off well and includes a couple of new and interesting characters, loses it's way, along the way. It was relatively enjoyable as a binge watch, even if the latter half just meanders and I've nothing else on the boil at present. But I think if I was looking at this week to week, I'd have checked out again. Maybe 16 episodes is just too long a stretch for both 'The Walking Dead and 'Fear the Walking Dead' and they need to cut the flab in a very serious way.

And I just want to hit Morgan now.

Just stop. Please bloody stop.

[MinionZombie]

I think FearTWD is far more troublesome when it comes to, er, troublesome characters. One of the main problems with FearTWD is that it's doing so many of the same beats that have already been done on TWD, so we as an audience have been through certain story arcs already, so seeing them done again - and worse - on Fear is not a good mix.

I feel that TWD has done a far better job in general. At the very least in terms of the characters, as we have often seen our heroes attempting to snuff out a baddie sharpish, but circumstances go against them (e.g. The Governor, of Negan). Now, sometimes the actual playing out of those events can be underwhelming or even frustrating (e.g. Carl's season 7 attempt to stow away in a truck and shoot Negan was pretty lame - at least have the gun jam for goodness sake!). However, we've seen far superior stories play out on TWD in regards to bad characters, and we've also had far more nuance - Shane was 'too bad for the moment' but in many ways was right but ahead of time, while Lizzie provided a very complex and awkward situation to deal with: she's literally a child with worrying tendencies, and Carol and Tyreese tried everything they could, but as soon as it went south Carol immediately did what had to be done.

When Terminus turns out to be a shit show, as soon as they get their chance they tear the place down. Similarly with Gareth, no messing about - dispatched in episode 5x03 in no uncertain terms. Fast forward to season 9 and when those rogue and homeless Saviours remnants turned up and confronted Carol, they were dispatched at the earliest opportunity later in that same episode again in no uncertain terms.

Yes, the whole Negan arc in S7 and S8 had plenty of issues, and those have been discussed at the time and plenty since (and I too have had plenty to say about the failings, but in a fair manner), but TWD is leagues ahead on the issue compared to FearTWD. Troy and that rubbish villain from 4B are the two most egregious examples. Both were rotten to the core and it was painfully obvious. That said, they have done some things well - moral grey area characters like Strand and the little girl in Season 4 (her name escapes me right now) have worked well and their decisions have made sense and been true to their stories.

I absolutely agree about "too many episodes". It has been true of FearTWD since season 2's massive jump from 6 to 13 episodes, and even more obvious since the jump up to sixteen ruddy episodes. TWD has generally fared much better with 16 episodes per season however they also definitely need to trim down to, say, 12 episodes per season (six and six). I think that would really help trim out all the fat. Ideally it'd be 10 episodes in one shot, but hell will freeze over before AMC do that.

In this day and age with so much choice for viewers, long seasons just aren't justified in my opinion. There's also lots of pragmatic reasons - these shows take a long time to make, so that puts pressure on the people making them. What about their family time? What about other career opportunities? No wonder popular actors jump ship for other more lucrative opportunities, or just the chance to spend more time with their families. A smaller number of episodes would allow for those involved to explore other things or just have more down time, and in the end that would make them happier and less likely to jump ship. All TV shows need to be thinking far more about sustaining themselves in these manners. Even just from a writing perspective it would be a win-win.

[shootemindehead]

There are very serious problems with both series. But yeh, on the whole, 'Fear the Walking Dead' comes off the worst. But, 'The Walking Dead' has had the benefit of the comic to use as a basic skeleton to hang the skin on, as it were. 'Fear the Walking Dead' had to be it's own beast, which it failed at right from the get go, it has to be said. But, I'll be honest, I thought there were a number of episodes in S03 and S04 that were better than the flagship show, which has been getting further and further away from my interest for some time now and I'm certainly no alone in that at this point. I've probably said it before, but there's nobody in real life that gives a crap about it now and the folk that do still look at it, do so more out of habit than real interest.

As to the villain thing, with 'The Walking Dead', villains have waaaaay too much plot armour going on. Far too often they escape situations they really shouldn't and it's arguable that they shouldn't have been written into those situations to begin with. Negan is a prime example of this. There's too much of a "Stop talking, just shoot the fucker" happening.

The villains in 'Fear the Walking Dead' are worse though, in that the protagonists are constantly trying to bring the psycho villains into their flock, despite the obvious bleedin danger to EVERYONE! It's absolutely mind numbing. I had no problem really with Troy or even Martha as villains. It was the flippin good guy's dumbass actions that drove me nuts. Our "heroes" are endlessly giving the benefit of the doubt to the most obviously dangerous people, when the reality of the situation is that they've have a bullet in their head fairly sharpish. What's even more infuriating is that minor antagonists, who are of a less dangerous nature, are off'd quickly. But the truly dangerous folk are kept around, artificially.

I find myself muttering Seth Green's "just kill him" way too often with these shows.

Another problem is the inconsistency that parades around in too, re: zombie siege situations. In the Walking Dead universe, covering yourself in zombie guts is a bolted on get outta jail card and yet the characters CONSTANTLY don't use it to negate their foe. In 'Fear the Walking Dead', this has been even more egregious than it has in 'The Walking Dead'. Nick spent more time covered in shit than he didn't and yet, the characters are routinely written into zombie dilemmas which can be solved using the guts manoeuvre.

I know I've been banging on about bollocks since 'The Walking Dead' started, but it's the absolute worst aspect of both shows. It's damn near insulting really.

I've abandoned other TV shows for less writing/production crimes and I reckon that the only reason I still tune in, is because I'm still happy that there's a zombie TV show on the air. But, by christ, does it really test my patience.

[MinionZombie]

I've probably said it before, but there's nobody in real life that gives a crap about it now and the folk that do still look at it, do so more out of habit than real interest.

Another problem is the inconsistency that parades around in too, re: zombie siege situations. In the Walking Dead universe, covering yourself in zombie guts is a bolted on get outta jail card and yet the characters CONSTANTLY don't use it to negate their foe. In 'Fear the Walking Dead', this has been even more egregious than it has in 'The Walking Dead'. Nick spent more time covered in shit than he didn't and yet, the characters are routinely written into zombie dilemmas which can be solved using the guts manoeuvre.

1) That's patently untrue. :rolleyes: Don't devolve yourself to the Twitter level of argument, you're better than that. :)

2) At least in TWD it was only used as a last resort. In 1x02 they were surrounded in a city full of walkers and they needed to pass through the swarm to get what they needed (the truck), but they also showed how utterly disgusting it was to do that.

Again, in 6x09 it was a last resort. Alexandria had been flooded with walkers and they needed to reach a safe place - again, passing through a herd of walkers.

Then, in season 8 it was used once again as a last resort AND the danger of using it was also shown as Gabriel ended up getting extremely ill to the point that he almost died. In the end he pulled through, but lost the sight in one eye.

So, in TWD, they've used it very sparingly and only in extreme situations where the only option is to literally pass through a herd of walkers. FearTWD, on the other hand, takes the fucking piss when it comes to using zombie guts/blood as camouflage. It infuriated to see Nick doing it all the damn time, just wandering through the wild like he was going on a stroll and that the amount he used was so minimal at times, a few smears on his face and a bit on his t-shirt. Ridiculous.

IMHO the season 8 episode entirely justified the very rare moments when it was used in TWD, but FearTWD used it as a silly crutch, but FearTWD has also done some exceptionally silly, nonsensical things (e.g. the season 4b moment where the beer guy jumps from the building and his corpse reanimates but is only wounded in a minor way - for him/it to be able to walk at all after that fall was just preposterous, similarly for the herd to be distracted by a car alarm when fresh meat is moving right there in front of them just a few feet away).

[shootemindehead]

1) That's patently untrue. :rolleyes: Don't devolve yourself to the Twitter level of argument, you're better than that. :)

2) At least in TWD it was only used as a last resort. In 1x02 they were surrounded in a city full of walkers and they needed to pass through the swarm to get what they needed (the truck), but they also showed how utterly disgusting it was to do that.

Again, in 6x09 it was a last resort. Alexandria had been flooded with walkers and they needed to reach a safe place - again, passing through a herd of walkers.

Then, in season 8 it was used once again as a last resort AND the danger of using it was also shown as Gabriel ended up getting extremely ill to the point that he almost died. In the end he pulled through, but lost the sight in one eye.

So, in TWD, they've used it very sparingly and only in extreme situations where the only option is to literally pass through a herd of walkers. FearTWD, on the other hand, takes the fucking piss when it comes to using zombie guts/blood as camouflage. It infuriated to see Nick doing it all the damn time, just wandering through the wild like he was going on a stroll and that the amount he used was so minimal at times, a few smears on his face and a bit on his t-shirt. Ridiculous.

IMHO the season 8 episode entirely justified the very rare moments when it was used in TWD, but FearTWD used it as a silly crutch, but FearTWD has also done some exceptionally silly, nonsensical things (e.g. the season 4b moment where the beer guy jumps from the building and his corpse reanimates but is only wounded in a minor way - for him/it to be able to walk at all after that fall was just preposterous, similarly for the herd to be distracted by a car alarm when fresh meat is moving right there in front of them just a few feet away).

1. That should read. Nobody I KNOW in real life...

2. It should be used all the time though, because it's shown to work on a continual basis. It's one of the most inconsistent actions in the show and it's always been ridiculous. The salient point is, it works, so these "dramatic" sieges shouldn't really be an issue. There should be no "Oh what will we do now. How do we get out of this predicament" situation. It's really silly.

The "falling from a great height and not being bothered" has plagued 'Fear the Walking Dead' since S02. It's beyond stupid.

[DayoftheZ]

I've just bought series 1-5 off eBay to watch while we are waiting for TWD to finish. I have to say reading this thread I'm starting to regret the decision to buy them!!!

I watched series one back when it first aired and although it rushed the story I quite enjoyed it. Series Two I watched the first half and stopped, don't remember much about the half I saw.

If nothing else the DVDS look good at the side of my TWD ones!!!

[MagicMoonMonkey]

I've just bought series 1-5 off eBay to watch while we are waiting for TWD to finish. I have to say reading this thread I'm starting to regret the decision to buy them!!!

I watched series one back when it first aired and although it rushed the story I quite enjoyed it. Series Two I watched the first half and stopped, don't remember much about the half I saw.

If nothing else the DVDS look good at the side of my TWD ones!!!

The whole event that is Fear the Walking Dead should have been the events of season 1 spread over 2 or 3 normal length seasons and this particular spin off ending with them taking to the sea and it being left to our imagination what happens next to them.

I thought FtWD season 1was top telly and still do when I re-watch it. An opportunity was missed to show the outbreak properly and the rush to bring it in line with the TWD time-line ruined it.

Even season 2 had some good ideas. The coastguard were carrying out the Cobalt order on the seafaring survivors. The episode where they meet the family in the house by the shore. Even holing up in the hotel wasn't the worst.

[Neil]

I agree... I thought FTWD was going to really sink its teeth into that juicy bit of society falling apart and dealing with the outcome... But it seemed to skip past a lot of that very quickly :(

[DayoftheZ]

I agree... I thought FTWD was going to really sink its teeth into that juicy bit of society falling apart and dealing with the outcome... But it seemed to skip past a lot of that very quickly :(

I gave up last time when the boat got hijacked because of Alicia. I am up to the hotel bit now and have enjoyed it much more than I thought I was going to.

I think FTWD is best watched with the brain switched off, because it doesn't feel as grounded as the main show.

You are both right about Season 1 though, if they had slowed right down and told that story in full it would have been brilliant. Maybe with Scott Gimbles dream of an extended universe we may get that story one day.