The Northman (film)

[Neil]

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[Neil]

Seems to be getting good reviews.

There was an article in the Guardian newspaper here in the UK (a generally very SJW paper) that was complaining that this film, which was attempting to give a fairly realistic portrayal of Vikings, only had "white vikings", and that women were generally depicted as looking after the home and kids while the men went off to fight. What is it about these folks with their distate for reality, preferring feelies over facts?

Anyhoo... Will try and see it at the cinema being the misogynistic white supremacist I am! :)

[MinionZombie]

Those will be the same morons who complained about Dunkirk having the termerity to feature nothing but white males. To think of it! :stunned:

[Neil]

OK! Saw this last night. I think I had a problem in that I was expecting more of an action romp type film, and this is far more esoteric and aimed as portraying a myth.

I found some of the sequences a tad clunky/contrived, and although I wouldn't watch it again, I did enjoy it.

7/10

[JDP]

OK! Saw this last night. I think I had a problem in that I was expecting more of an action romp type film, and this is far more esoteric and aimed as portraying a myth.

I found some of the sequences a tad clunky/contrived, and although I wouldn't watch it again, I did enjoy it.

7/10

Admit it: it just wasn't "woke" enough for you. What? No gay black Vikings??? Puh-leeze!!!

[MinionZombie]

Admit it: it just wasn't "woke" enough for you. What? No gay black Vikings??? Puh-leeze!!!

Aye, he thought it should've been the women doing all the raping and pillaging while the men folk stayed behind and changed Viking nappies. And that it should've been called "The Northperson". :lol:

[EvilNed]

You guys sure are hung up on all that perceived woke business going on in todays culture.

Anyway, saw the film in the cinema.
Beautiful, aesthetic but emotionally shallow. I couldn't help myself from laughing in a couple of scenes because it's just so over-the-top masculine. Like Conan on speed and heroine at the same time.

[Neil]

Beautiful, aesthetic but emotionally shallow.Yeh, it was missing something. But I did like the fact the morality on the character was totally up for grabs :)



You guys sure are hung up on all that perceived woke business going on in today's culture.Because it can be jarring...

eg: I was watching a Mary Queen of Scotts historical film, and I kept getting reality check slaps in face by the film showing me POC in 15th century Scottish court? Scotland even now has less than 1% POC, and in the 15th century it was most likely a 100th or thousandth of that... When we see Brad Pitt playing Martin Luther King, or 10% of an 18th century Zulu warrior army being played by white men THEN we'll know it's not just woke box ticking at play... But until then... :)

What's wrong with simply being historically accurate when you're doing what could be considered an historical representation?

[shootemindehead]

Don't watch 'Bridgerton' Neil. You'll probably die. :D

[Neil]

Don't watch 'Bridgerton' Neil. You'll probably die. :D

I wasn't really concerned about Bridgerton as it was pitched as exactly what it was, and not in truth a historical/cultural piece.

ps: Seen who the next Dr Who is? Replacing the first female (actress) to play the Doctor? Bet you can't guess anything about them given current times... :rolleyes: Nice to see the BBC is still keen on pushing "the message!"

[JDP]

I wasn't really concerned about Bridgerton as it was pitched as exactly what it was, and not in truth a historical/cultural piece.

ps: Seen who the next Dr Who is? Replacing the first female (actress) to play the Doctor? Bet you can't guess anything about them given current times... :rolleyes: Nice to see the BBC is still keen on pushing "the message!"

Dr. Woke?

[MinionZombie]

I wasn't really concerned about Bridgerton as it was pitched as exactly what it was, and not in truth a historical/cultural piece.

ps: Seen who the next Dr Who is? Replacing the first female (actress) to play the Doctor? Bet you can't guess anything about them given current times... :rolleyes: Nice to see the BBC is still keen on pushing "the message!"

1) The 'colour blind casting' of something like Bridgerton irks me, because it clashes with it being a period piece, and it ends up painting a false impression of the racial state of play at that time and in that context. Fantastical or not, it's still clunky, unlike in a contemporary modern setting. You might even say it's a bit of a slight against 'POCs' who were alive at that time. It's a bit like Overlord ignoring the racial segregation during WWII.

2) A bit reactionary at this stage, no? :rockbrow::rolleyes:

Also, Russell T. Davies coming back after two rather middling/shite showrunners, which should hopefully be a good thing.

I'll give the first episode of the new Who a watch and see what it's like. Tried that with the most recent incarnation, but it was so bad and you could see the direction written on the wall in bloody big bold lettering. Besides, the whole run with Peter Capaldi was woeful bar a few rare moments of decentness and a decent episode on very rare occasions. Capaldi was good in the role, but utterly wasted on dreadful scripts ... so when Whittaker and whoever that new showrunner was came on board I was already on the brink of giving up on Dr Who as it was, but that regeneration sealed the deal. One episode, it was shite, ditched out and stopped wasting my time hoping for half-decent episodes.

We'll see what the new regeneration does...

[shootemindehead]

I wasn't really concerned about Bridgerton as it was pitched as exactly what it was, and not in truth a historical/cultural piece.

ps: Seen who the next Dr Who is? Replacing the first female (actress) to play the Doctor? Bet you can't guess anything about them given current times... :rolleyes: Nice to see the BBC is still keen on pushing "the message!"

Dr. Who begins and ends with Tom Baker for me and even then it was a bucket of shite.

[JDP]

Dr. Who begins and ends with Tom Baker for me...

Yep, when you think "Doctor Who", that is the face that comes immediately to mind.

https://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/5/5871-1532336916.jpg

[Neil]

Yep, when you think "Doctor Who", that is the face that comes immediately to mind.

https://medias.spotern.com/spots/w640/5/5871-1532336916.jpg

Of the more recent series, I thought Christopher Eccleston was fab. He was good as the doctor, and, more importantly, the stories were really good... Tennant was OK, but that was beginning of the slide into oblivion of Dr Who for me...

[EvilNed]

When we see Brad Pitt playing Martin Luther King, or 10% of an 18th century Zulu warrior army being played by white men THEN we'll know it's not just woke box ticking at play... But until then... :)

What's wrong with simply being historically accurate when you're doing what could be considered an historical representation?

What are you talking about? We have that kind of casting all the time. Jim Caviezel played Jesus. Christian Bale played Moses. Eric Bana played Hector and Orlando Bloom his brother Paris.

Bridgerton or Mary Queen of Scots aren't aiming for historical accuracy any more than 300.

[Neil]

Bridgerton or Mary Queen of Scots aren't aiming for historical accuracy any more than 300.
Mary Queen of Scots is representing real people and real events in an historical fashion.

I'm sorry, but there's a PC agenda at play, and it's reaching rediculous levels. I was out to dinner last night with some friends. One of them had just been dealing with a business who had produced a small advert for their company featuring their own staff. A marketing company then told them that it was advised not to release the advert because the five people in it were all white. The marketing company proceeded to advised them of the ethnic breakdown recommended of each of the people that should appear, and the 'issues' that would arise if they didn't.


Returning to the Northman, and it being criticised for it simply being historically correct in its portrayal of white vikings etc... Because of the SJW agenda I mention above, we then end up with double standards and double speak like this:-

https://i.imgur.com/KwRPtOD.png

[shootemindehead]

In fairness, 'The Northman' was criticised in one op ed clickbait piece in The Guardian. Hardly and avalanche of "woke" outrage. There's been more bollocks talk about The Guardian piece than the actual film.

The majority of the actual criticism appears to centre on its middling second act.

So so tired of all this stupid crap from trolls at both ends. Fucking toxic idiotic horseshit. Whinging maggots.

[Neil]

Fucking toxic idiotic horseshit. Whinging maggots.Agreed. The growing amount of identity politics is just that...


The majority of the actual criticism appears to centre on its middling second act.Yeh, bits of it lagged for me and didn't seem to sit right. Like his supposed slow attack and revenge on his Uncle, which just felt contrived and risky when he could have just killed him easily?

But then I went in really expecting (& looking forward to) a rip roaring viking affair, so was taken aback by its slower pace and mythical overtones...

[MinionZombie]

So so tired of all this stupid crap from trolls at both ends. Fucking toxic idiotic horseshit. Whinging maggots.

And the other problem with that is that it diminishes genuine call-outs for the shit coming from either end. It's like some hideous idiot extremist making a legitimately good point - the point gets ruined because it was spoken by a retch, and is then deliberately evaded/ignored by the opposite side who double-down on their actually stupid nonsensical counter to it ... and all because some loudmouth tosspot had to spoil it by letting it cross their own lips.

[shootemindehead]

Agreed. The growing amount of identity politics is just that...

It's the endless whining about it that's even worse.

We live in a time where even owning a home is beyond a lot of people's aspirations. Renting costs stupid money. The cost of living is getting out of hand in general. Jobs are temporary things for most people and a whole host of other stuff that impact people's lives in a truly negative fashion...

...and there's gobshites having meltdowns and screaming that the sky is falling in because someone might want to use a pronoun or some other mickey mouse non-issue largely of American origin.

:rolleyes:

[Neil]

...and there's gobshites having meltdowns and screaming that the sky is falling in because someone might want to use a pronoun or some other mickey mouse non-issue largely of American origin.
IMHO identity politics is getting worse and worse. ie: It's being pushed to be ever more of an issue and a tool to achieve (other) goals.

From a gender POV, even my daughter (at an all girls school) has noticed a huge growing trend of pupils there jumping on the gender dysphoria bus. Out of the blue she just mentioned her confusion over the growing trend one day. And I suspect much of this is simply kids - who are typically in turbulent positions into their teens - are grasping at the snake oil (SJW and social media endorsed) supposed solution to their woes... Surely better to show tolerance and acceptance across the range of female and male traits than to suggest you need to transition to something else to be happy? Drugs, operations and all... And let's not even get into the other aspect of this where we're now seeing such as men in women's safe areas and sports...

Don't tell me there's not a clear negative trend when many public figures can't tell you what a woman is, or won't for fear of retribution. JK Rowling can shed some light on what discussing such things can result in.

From a racial point of view, racism is becoming more and more of an issue because of the push for identity politics etc. We're heading backwards, where instead of race meaning nothing as regards treatment etc, it's now becoming more important. eg: Segregation based on skin colour is now a thing for some reason? Why? There's jobs now openly posting the skin colour of people who can apply. There's diversity managers appearing across all levels of corporate and private business. Yes, the NHS is p$$ing away money on diversity managers busily grifting away finding issues that don't in truth exist in true emperors new clothes fashion.

And as I said earlier, my friend's experience of a marketing company saying five white people in an advert is problematic and will cause issues... And giving an ethnic shopping list of the people to instead use.

Heck, we can't even watch a football match without players in a wonderfully and hugely diverse sport kneeling for some reason, to tell people in probably the most accepting and tolerant country in the world, at the most accepting and tolerant of times, there's some problem we need to do this to teach you something. Just play and stop preaching (virtue signalling)! Rejoice in how epic the UK is and how much it's improving rather than constantly preaching otherwise...

So sorry, no, it's not a non-issue. Go and buy some men's clothes at George and tell me if you notice anything odd while scrolling down over and over and over - https://direct.asda.com/george/men/D2M1G10,default,sc.html


The solution is chuck all the race and gender activism out, and let people just be people... We were heading in the right direction before all this activism decided to take us off in another direction.

/rant :rant: :)

[JDP]

IMHO identity politics is getting worse and worse. ie: It's being pushed to be ever more of an issue and a tool to achieve (other) goals.

From a gender POV, even my daughter (at an all girls school) has noticed a huge growing trend of pupils there jumping on the gender dysphoria bus. Out of the blue she just mentioned her confusion over the growing trend one day. And I suspect much of this is simply kids - who are typically in turbulent positions into their teens - are grasping at the snake oil (SJW and social media endorsed) supposed solution to their woes... Surely better to show tolerance and acceptance across the range of female and male traits than to suggest you need to transition to something else to be happy? Drugs, operations and all... And let's not even get into the other aspect of this where we're now seeing such as men in women's safe areas and sports...

Don't tell me there's not a clear negative trend when many public figures can't tell you what a woman is, or won't for fear of retribution. JK Rowling can shed some light on what discussing such things can result in.

From a racial point of view, racism is becoming more and more of an issue because of the push for identity politics etc. We're heading backwards, where instead of race meaning nothing as regards treatment etc, it's now becoming more important. eg: Segregation based on skin colour is now a thing for some reason? Why? There's jobs now openly posting the skin colour of people who can apply. There's diversity managers appearing across all levels of corporate and private business. Yes, the NHS is p$$ing away money on diversity managers busily grifting away finding issues that don't in truth exist in true emperors new clothes fashion.

And as I said earlier, my friend's experience of a marketing company saying five white people in an advert is problematic and will cause issues... And giving an ethnic shopping list of the people to instead use.

Heck, we can't even watch a football match without players in a wonderfully and hugely diverse sport kneeling for some reason, to tell people in probably the most accepting and tolerant country in the world, at the most accepting and tolerant of times, there's some problem we need to do this to teach you something. Just play and stop preaching (virtue signalling)! Rejoice in how epic the UK is and how much it's improving rather than constantly preaching otherwise...

So sorry, no, it's not a non-issue. Go and buy some men's clothes at George and tell me if you notice anything odd while scrolling down over and over and over - https://direct.asda.com/george/men/D2M1G10,default,sc.html


The solution is chuck all the race and gender activism out, and let people just be people... We were heading in the right direction before all this activism decided to take us off in another direction.

/rant :rant:

Looks like George woke up.