Isle of the Dead: Walking Dead Spin-Off

[paranoid101]

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One of the spin offs announced Negan and Maggie take New York.

https://www.ign.com/articles/isle-of-the-dead-officially-announced

[MinionZombie]

Erm ... why would Maggie ever go to NYC with Negan? :confused:

Who knows, could be great, but I was a bit perplexed reading the article about it. FearTWD has defined the phrase "mixed bag", while World Beyond was so cringe-inducing I abandoned it after two episodes.

I suppose this has Maggie and Negan going for it, but again ... why would Maggie team up with Negan? We've seen it already on TWD and it was within strict confines of plausibility with the stakes not only high but personal (the survival of their community).

They're gonna have to come up with one hell of a boatload of internal logic to sell this concept.

Still no talk of the Rick Grimes movie ... wasn't that supposed to be a trilogy once upon a time? Now just one? Never hear anything about it. I just want them to bring Rick and Michonne back in Season 11C and get them wrapped up inside the body of the main show, not some appendix add-on.

[Moon Knight]

It’s a trap! Just like Kirkman previewing issues past 193! Just like the Daryl and Carol spin-off. If real, I don’t have any interest right now.

[MinionZombie]

It’s a trap! Just like Kirkman previewing issues past 193! Just like the Daryl and Carol spin-off. If real, I don’t have any interest right now.

Hmmm ... a fair point ... could be a bluff to hide a surprise or two. Don't forget "Tales of The Walking Dead" as well - another announced spin-off.

But on the other hand, we've already had two spin-off shows, numerous web series, and the amount of merchandise that has been pumped out over the years is head-spinning.

Either scenario is just as likely.

[shootemindehead]

I hope it's a bluff. The idea of Maggie Green being BFF's with the psycho that beat her hubby's head to a pulp is...well, frankly...fucking stupid and insulting.

In fact, and I've said it before, the idea that Negan is still even alive at all is insulting.

I've watched a few episodes from S8 recently, specifically the Saviours attack on Alexandrea and the idea that this POS lunatic is still breathing after everything that he's done to "our" group just sickens me TBH. It's just an awful erasing of what has come before, simply so Negan can remain alive. Negan, in fairness, is a compelling character and played very well by whatshisface. But there are limits to what I can be expected to believe.

This fucker would be dead, whether at the hands of a general agreement or by someone who'd lost someone to his hand. There's just no alternative to that reality that makes any kind of logical sense.

[paranoid101]

I hope it's a bluff. The idea of Maggie Green being BFF's with the psycho that beat her hubby's head to a pulp is...well, frankly...fucking stupid and insulting.

In fact, and I've said it before, the idea that Negan is still even alive at all is insulting.

I've watched a few episodes from S8 recently, specifically the Saviours attack on Alexandrea and the idea that this POS lunatic is still breathing after everything that he's done to "our" group just sickens me TBH. It's just an awful erasing of what has come before, simply so Negan can remain alive. Negan, in fairness, is a compelling character and played very well by whatshisface. But there are limits to what I can be expected to believe.

This fucker would be dead, whether at the hands of a general agreement or by someone who'd lost someone to his hand. There's just no alternative to that reality that makes any kind of logical sense.

Hope so too, but they already want a series with Carol and Daryl, so I wouldn't put it pass them doing Negan and Maggie what with them being very popular characters.

Also its 800 miles from Georgia to New York how the hell do they make that trip?

Poster should say "Don't Watch, Dead Inside" tbh

[shootemindehead]

Carol and Daryl work, cos they're mates and have a long history of trying to survive together against the odds.

Mags and Negan though? The psycho who murdered her hubby and loads of her friends? There'd be more sense in Churchill and Hitler agreeing to go on holiday to Lanzarote.

As Mini said, they're really going to have to come up with some iron cast reason for that bullshit to be happening for me not to nope out in very short order.

[Moon Knight]

This has to be a lie. Even the poster looks fan made!!

[beat_truck]

Hopefully it's a lie, but they are even linking articles to it in the news section on the front page of IMDB.:confused:

[MinionZombie]

This has to be a lie. Even the poster looks fan made!!

Yeah ... it does look a bit ... ... ... shit, doesn't it?

There's not been an official poster for the Carol/Daryl spin-off has there? What about Tales Of The Walking Dead?

I can buy Rick's reason for not killing Negan - to try and build back towards a more normal society again with rules, and that sparing his life but imprisoning him was in itself a challenge of faith in something more beyond. We saw the fruits, fragile as they were, of that in the early part of season 9 as they attempted to bring the remaining Saviours into the fold. They did actually bring some of them fully on-side - people who'd done terrible things to them in the past during 'war time' (albeit not to the extent or authority that Negan did) - but it ultimately folded through circumstance. It was still the right thing to do, though, but it did require everyone to chip in - we saw what happens when some of the Saviours didn't pull their weight.

It made for a lot of tension and drama and interesting moral questions. I think Negan plays into this as well.

Perhaps there comes a point where so many terrible things have happened that it begins to blur - while Maggie did the right thing killing off those members of The Reapers (bar one), there's no doubt a cost to her as an individual.

It is fair to say, though, that they never quite justified Negan's methods - at least in terms of explaining how he reasonably got to that point. We saw his flashback episode, but that was really just a Negan/Lucille episode, rather than a 'beginning of The Saviours' episode. It took very little from "Here's Negan", the one-off comic/graphic novel, which did actually show him laying down order upon an unruly gang who, in that case, were routinely raping their women and using them as trade. Negan stamped that shit right out. They did make him less of a thuggish type in the TV show flashback compared to the comic, mind.

They never quite justified that 'Team Rick could be seen from another viewpoint by Team Negan', because Team Rick's encounters were always in reaction to an aggressive force. They reacted with aggression having already been attacked. They would have quite happily worked with anyone they met had circumstances allowed. They weren't playing games and enjoying the violence they were forced to impart on occasion. So it never quite added up in truth, even though, sure, from Negan's POV Team Rick had indeed attacked his own people and outposts ... but well, Team Negan were kind of WWII Germany to Team Rick's allies in that whole set up.

[MinionZombie]

Is there a thread for the Daryl/Carol spin-off? I can't seem to find one, so I'll post this here:

https://tvline.com/2022/04/27/melissa-mcbride-leaving-walking-dead-spinoff-daryl-and-carol/?fbclid=IwAR291EmnlUaTnpUe-B1yWgLrz41mbt-VtdlcMbvIaPmheWPQqfwfYNBv5eM


AMC’s in-the-works Walking Dead spinoff centered on Norman Reedus‘ Daryl and Melissa McBride‘s Carol is undergoing a major change.

Sources confirm to TVLine exclusively that McBride will no longer be involved in the offshoot. Instead, the new series will focus on Daryl. UPDATE: Initial buzz suggested the decision to jettison Carol was a creative one, although an AMC rep maintains it was about logistics.

“Melissa McBride has given life to one of the most interesting, real, human and popular characters in The Walking Dead Universe,” a network spokesperson said in a statement to TVLine. “Unfortunately, she is no longer able to participate in the previously announced spinoff focused on the Daryl Dixon and Carol Peletier characters, which will be set and filmed in Europe this summer and premiere next year. Relocating to Europe became logistically untenable for Melissa at this time. We know fans will be disappointed by this news, but The Walking Dead Universe continues to grow and expand in interesting ways and we very much hope to see Carol again in the near future.”

[facestabber]

Is there a thread for the Daryl/Carol spin-off? I can't seem to find one, so I'll post this here:

https://tvline.com/2022/04/27/melissa-mcbride-leaving-walking-dead-spinoff-daryl-and-carol/?fbclid=IwAR291EmnlUaTnpUe-B1yWgLrz41mbt-VtdlcMbvIaPmheWPQqfwfYNBv5eM

Wonder if they will now kill Carol off while ending OG series? I still don’t see how spin off at this point will work. I hope Daryl survives indefinitely regardless what road they take. And if Rick and Michonne don’t return to close series then F you to all those that decided so.

[MinionZombie]

Wonder if they will now kill Carol off while ending OG series? I still don’t see how spin off at this point will work. I hope Daryl survives indefinitely regardless what road they take. And if Rick and Michonne don’t return to close series then F you to all those that decided so.

Yeah, the series really needs Rick and Michonne to return and for a proper reunion. Ending it in a tacked-on movie just feels like an appendix. We need closure within the main body of the series, so I'm totally agreed with you on that.

I hope Carol remains alive, as so few OG cast members remain ... although I was surprised to hear it's gonna be set in Europe! International travel in the ZA? Erm ... okay ... but why?

I bet there's a fair bit of re-thinking having to go on now, structuring a new type of show. Also, if Daryl's going to be sodding off on a European Vacation, then who's gonna be watching the kids? Surely Rick and Michonne have to be coming back? He wouldn't just leave them.

[JDP]

Yeah, the series really needs Rick and Michonne to return and for a proper reunion. Ending it in a tacked-on movie just feels like an appendix. We need closure within the main body of the series, so I'm totally agreed with you on that.

I hope Carol remains alive, as so few OG cast members remain ... although I was surprised to hear it's gonna be set in Europe! International travel in the ZA? Erm ... okay ... but why?

I bet there's a fair bit of re-thinking having to go on now, structuring a new type of show. Also, if Daryl's going to be sodding off on a European Vacation, then who's gonna be watching the kids? Surely Rick and Michonne have to be coming back? He wouldn't just leave them.

Daryl could conceivably go to NY with Maggie and Negan and then take over the boat from Zombie. The fat zombie is no longer on board, but full of bullet holes and walking around somewhere in NY. Then sail to Europe, avoiding Matul like the plague, of course.

[beat_truck]

TWD characters making their way over to Europe? Ugh.:rolleyes:

AMC has already made so many retarded decisions with TWD, and they just keep on coming up with more and more convoluted, ridiculous, and implausible bullshit as they go.

I'll be lucky if I even watch the rest of the main show, much less any of the spin offs or movies (if they ever actually do something besides talk about making them). I have the bonus episodes from last season and this season so far recorded, but I haven't bothered to watch them. I'd like to see how it plays out, but my give a damn level is honestly almost down to zero.

[MinionZombie]

I'll be lucky if I even watch the rest of the main show, much less any of the spin offs or movies (if they ever actually do something besides talk about making them). I have the bonus episodes from last season and this season so far recorded, but I haven't bothered to watch them. I'd like to see how it plays out, but my give a damn level is honestly almost down to zero.

The bonus episodes for season 10 were kind of like trials to see how they could film the show under Covid conditions, so don't expect much (one episode is particularly bad), however there is good material in there ... I'd say 3 out of 6 were solid episodes.

Season 11 has been quite good thus far, and a step or two back up from season 10, which was a bit rocky (the first half of season 10 was too slow, but the second half really kicked things back into gear).

[JDP]

TWD characters making their way over to Europe? Ugh.:rolleyes:

AMC has already made so many retarded decisions with TWD, and they just keep on coming up with more and more convoluted, ridiculous, and implausible bullshit as they go.

Yep, it's getting out of hand. It would not surprise me at this point if the Rick movie takes place in space. Yes, that's where he ended up, that's why no one could find him!

[beat_truck]

The bonus episodes for season 10 were kind of like trials to see how they could film the show under Covid conditions, so don't expect much (one episode is particularly bad), however there is good material in there ... I'd say 3 out of 6 were solid episodes.

Season 11 has been quite good thus far, and a step or two back up from season 10, which was a bit rocky (the first half of season 10 was too slow, but the second half really kicked things back into gear).

I'm sure I'll get around to watching it, but I have my doubts about it being good enough to be worth the time. I honestly don't know whether to cringe or laugh when I see snippets of the new group wearing their white storm trooper outfits.:confused:

I know the show is fiction, but I sure miss the first several seasons where they at least tried to make it somewhat believable.

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Yep, it's getting out of hand. It would not surprise me at this point if the Rick movie takes place in space. Yes, that's where he ended up, that's why no one could find him!

Hey, if Jason can go to Manhattan (AKA Vancouver) and then space, I don't see why the characters from TWD can't do it.:)

[MinionZombie]

I honestly don't know whether to cringe or laugh when I see snippets of the new group wearing their white storm trooper outfits.:confused:

It works pretty well on the show, especially Mercer.

[Moon Knight]

It works pretty well on the show, especially Mercer.

Yeah, hated the story in the comics, but I’m loving it on the show. Mercer is such a better character, they got the right actor!

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, hated the story in the comics, but I’m loving it on the show. Mercer is such a better character, they got the right actor!

I'm hoping the final eight episodes can land this puppy right. Fingers sooooo crossed.

[shootemindehead]

I've zero faith that the show will end in anything but an extremely disappointing whimper.

The reality is that it's been limping along on broken legs since Lincoln buggered off and it never really recovered from that. The heart of the show died when Karl "opted out" and Rick took a chopper ride out of the show.

[beat_truck]

I've zero faith that the show will end in anything but an extremely disappointing whimper.

The reality is that it's been limping along on broken legs since Lincoln buggered off and it never really recovered from that. The heart of the show died when Karl "opted out" and Rick took a chopper ride out of the show.

Agreed.

And In my opinion, the show started limping in season 6, and has pretty much much been in a wheelchair since season 8. If I remember right, the first episode of season 8 almost made me stop watching.

No offense meant to anyone that might be stuck in a wheelchair.;)

[facestabber]

Agreed.

And In my opinion, the show started limping in season 6, and has pretty much much been in a wheelchair since season 8. If I remember right, the first episode of season 8 almost made me stop watching.

No offense meant to anyone that might be stuck in a wheelchair.;)

I'm about same place as you. Seasons 1-5 were amazing tv. Damn I miss Hershel's farm, Woodbury and the Prison. The mood was really good and it felt like the end of the world. The Walker threat was real and scary imo. Season 6 started a slide. The Saviours and Negan were just too farfetched for me. Still some good tv left but it started to feel awkward. Killing off Carl and then Rick leaving just demoralized me. It erased the payoff at the quarry when Rick found his family and most importantly his son, Carl. I was on board to follow their journey.

Regardless, my hopes arent too high on faith regarding this show. Damn thing was magical at one point.

[JDP]

I'm about same place as you. Seasons 1-5 were amazing tv. Damn I miss Hershel's farm, Woodbury and the Prison. The mood was really good and it felt like the end of the world. The Walker threat was real and scary imo. Season 6 started a slide. The Saviours and Negan were just too farfetched for me. Still some good tv left but it started to feel awkward. Killing off Carl and then Rick leaving just demoralized me. It erased the payoff at the quarry when Rick found his family and most importantly his son, Carl. I was on board to follow their journey.

Regardless, my hopes arent too high on faith regarding this show. Damn thing was magical at one point.

I actually liked many of the Negan and The Saviors episodes, though it is indeed where the show started to indulge more into the realm of exaggeration and too much suspension of disbelief. For example, Negan became just too exaggeratedly cocky, and for some weird reason his antagonists also would not take advantage of it to snuff him out of the picture. And this trend got out of hand after Rick was written off of the show.

[MinionZombie]

Killing off Carl and then Rick leaving just demoralized me. It erased the payoff at the quarry when Rick found his family and most importantly his son, Carl. I was on board to follow their journey.

Not only was it handled very poorly behind the scenes, but I didn't really see a huge reason for it to happen. I get that it was a shock moment that would help trigger a shift in positions for both Rick and Negan to help resolve the war a bit more, but frankly they'd somewhat written themselves into a corner with some of the All Out War arc anyway and killing Carl wasn't the way to go about trying to help shift that.

Indeed, the backbone of the comics is a simple thing: a father shepherding his son through to adulthood during a zombie apocalypse. Simple as that.

In the comics, mind you, Judith was killed off almost immediately, so they were able to shift to her for some of the 'father of the ZA' stuff, although it's like shifting into a lower gear after you've built up a head of steam with Carl, you know?

Then it's understandable why Lincoln left - away from family for so much of the year for so many years in a row - thanks to having to shoot 16 friggin episodes a year (there's no excuse for any episode order longer than 10 these days, IMHO). Indeed, I think that has been a factor in a lot of cast members moving on - they've been on the show for so long and spend so much of their time working on it that they don't have enough time for family and/or other career opportunities that come knocking at their door because of their popularity on the show. Fewer episodes would allow for a better work/life balance for all involved and provide windows of time to pursue other options and scratch that particular itch. It'd also mean no room for filler.


I actually liked many of the Negan and The Saviors episodes, though it is indeed where the show started to indulge more into the realm of exaggeration and too much suspension of disbelief. For example, Negan became just too exaggeratedly cocky, and for some weird reason his antagonists also would not take advantage of it to snuff him out of the picture. And this trend got out of hand after Rick was written off of the show.

Gimple lost his way with the show. Focusing on such a small time frame for several seasons (Maggie's first trimester) was the biggest mistake overall because it was a foundational mistake and one that continually painted them into a corner because you either couldn't do things as there wouldn't be enough time to let it happen, or you had to rush things because you didn't have enough time.

Negan was too pantomime-like in seasons 7 and 8, even though he was often quite enjoyable to watch. However, we've seen much more depth and range of character out of him under Kang's leadership, much like with Daryl, who'd been reduced to a grunting animal in Gimple's later years going off half-cocked (e.g. that stupid plan to try and end the war early - a handful of people making a decision that affects everyone - the arrogance of that just didn't work for those characters that far into the ZA).

Seasons 7 and 8 is where the real problems lie in the show's run, however there are also some of the show's all-time greatest episodes littered about in there, too. There were just some fundamental mistakes made with the structuring of the show - ultimately, one of the biggest issues, which wasn't addressed with season 8, was that so little time was passing for the characters on-screen, but weeks/months/years were passing for the viewer. You've basically got three whole seasons (plus some of season five, in fact) taking place over Maggie's first trimester. For we the viewer it was 3+ years!!! That was just stupid. Even "24" had big time jumps between seasons.

Fortunately Season 9 brought time jumps back in, so it allowed for advancement in the story between episodes ... however, that ironically presents another problem: what on earth has been keeping Rick from getting back to his family for all these years?! That's a huge problem that needs answering - and answering well.