Private residences/Rescue stations?

[Brubaker]

Is it safe to assume that all the rescue stations were gone by the time the events in Day or Land transpired? This applies mainly to Land and would be purely for speculation.

What sort of places might people have been staying in, during the Land-era aside from outposts, underground or on an island? Think a few hardy people would have remained in private residences, seeing that this was discouraged even as far back as the events from Dawn?

I guess this question comes up mainly because I ended up watching a couple of the Tremors movies last night, by chance, and was thinking of the character (Burt) with the large basement full of weapons and food rations.

[Graebel]

I'm sure there's whole nests of survivalists in Idaho who would survive......until they started chewing on each other.

[Bubdotd]

Is it safe to assume that all the rescue stations were gone by the time the events in Day or Land transpired? This applies mainly to Land and would be purely for speculation.

What sort of places might people have been staying in, during the Land-era aside from outposts, underground or on an island? Think a few hardy people would have remained in private residences, seeing that this was discouraged even as far back as the events from Dawn?

I guess this question comes up mainly because I ended up watching a couple of the Tremors movies last night, by chance, and was thinking of the character (Burt) with the large basement full of weapons and food rations.

I agree, and yeah tremors is a good film and with burts house i think you would last awhile.

[jim102016]

Ever hear of the bunker beneath the Greenbrier Hotel in West Virginia...aka the Cold War's "Government Relocation Facility"? That would be a safe place to hide for a while...if one were able get one's ass in the door!

http://www.greenbrier.com/site/bunker/default.aspx

Personally, I think I'd try to get up to Alaska....

Although it may take some time to get used to, one of the government's sizable remote radar or weather stations up in Alaska would make a good place to regroup. (bigger examples might be Clear Air Force Station or the former Adak Naval Air Station in the Aleutian Islands). Resupply would naturally be tougher in these areas, but survivors would be protected from what few dead guests might show by both the geographic isolation and the harshness of the cold winters.

After decades of Alaska being built up militarily during the Cold War, everything one would need for long term survival would already be in place. As long as the correct people were brought along to make it all work.

[general tbag]

look at down 04 at the start of the movie, that how much chaos there be if not more. getting or going to a place isnt exactly easy in such circumstances.
cars would only be so good until you hit a traffic jam, and then it be pretty much a death trap.

[MinionZombie]

Except for your Burt Gummers of the world (and any of Burt Gummer's chums locked in with him), I'd say private residences would be abandoned, the average house wouldn't hold up long anyway, but a Gummer shelter, now there's some serious sh*t.

Like at the start of Land, a radio snippet goes on about bands of people ... er ... banding together setting up shelters and compounds together, which will be how Fiddler's Green got set up (this would be during the time of Day of the Dead, in the months that Sarah & Co spent down in that hole, our merry bands of folk outside the hole would have been setting up anti-zombie shop).

So yeah, average survivors - together in compounds a la Fiddler's Green, Burt Gummers of the world, holed up in their own shelters with food for 10 years ... water filtration, air filtration, thousand gallons of gas...you know the score.

[creepntom]

during this type of dilema, i wouldn't depend on anything government related as a means for shelter or survival

[general tbag]

during this type of dilema, i wouldn't depend on anything government related as a means for shelter or survival


that mentality would save you in the end.

also katrina is a prime example with the superdome.

on another note, look at dawn and when they had the rescue stations on screen and fran pulled them. can you imagine the amount of people killed for believing such old info. in a time of chaos, information isnt going to be accurate or fast. beaucrates would probaly kill more people, than anything else.

[Arcades057]

would anyone actually go to a "rescue station" after the crap that went on during Katrina?

Sadly, I think the sheeple would go to the shelters, if for no other reason than they are helpless and want someone to tell them what to do.

I have a theory on this. I spoke with a friend of the family who teaches multicultralism at Florida Atlantic University who has some sociology under his belt about this sort of thing. My thoughts were that there would be three well-defined groups of people in the wake of a natural (or unnatural) disaster such as the rising of the dead.

1) The sheeple. These people are the ones who would seek out rescue stations or stay at home and await help. They will do nothing to better their chances of survival; they will be at the mercy of their situation and will likely swell the ranks of the dead considerably.

2) Searchers. These people will try to find help somewhere, not including rescue stations. With hope some of these people will run into Third Group folks, but most will likely wander aimlessly, getting into trouble, before they are killed. Those bikers in Dawn? The fools at the Green? They are Second Group people; Sheeple, but they have some skills that helped them to survive after the first few nights. They're doomed, as evidenced by their wildly spraying bullets in every direction, rather than firing one shot into the heads of the zombies.

3) Survivors. The name says it all. These people will be seperated along two lines, the good and the bad. The good will be looking for other people to swell their ranks and provide help to those who need it; the bad will be looking for ways to get over on you. The only way those in the first or second group would survive for longer than a few days or weeks is by running into these people. The people from the dead movies who fit this mold are people like Ben from Night (also Barbara from Night '90), Peter from Dawn, Rhodes and Steele from Day, and Riley, Foxy, and Cholo from Land.

I think that, even after Katrina, even in the face of the total breakdown of society, people would still look to the gubbment for help. It would be natural selection at its finest. :lol:

[Brubaker]

Except for your Burt Gummers of the world (and any of Burt Gummer's chums locked in with him), I'd say private residences would be abandoned, the average house wouldn't hold up long anyway, but a Gummer shelter, now there's some serious sh*t.

Like at the start of Land, a radio snippet goes on about bands of people ... er ... banding together setting up shelters and compounds together, which will be how Fiddler's Green got set up (this would be during the time of Day of the Dead, in the months that Sarah & Co spent down in that hole, our merry bands of folk outside the hole would have been setting up anti-zombie shop).

So yeah, average survivors - together in compounds a la Fiddler's Green, Burt Gummers of the world, holed up in their own shelters with food for 10 years ... water filtration, air filtration, thousand gallons of gas...you know the score.

Funny that Rhodes, his men and the scientists were underground while those outposts would have been set up. I've thought many times that it would have been amusing if some radio signal finally broke through minutes after Sarah & company left and the zombies tore Rhodes and his men to pieces. Seeing that the characters were desperate to reach someone on the radio, if a response finally came through offering help, it may have contributed to the ending. I could be wrong, though.

It is still hard to envision these outposts being set up. Was this done by people who stuck around in the city or people who headed there as a refuge? How did they all communicate? Weren't the big cities full of zombies and how many people would have really been around to control them, while gates were being set up and everything? As I said in another post, it seems like something that you'd do before an outbreak, instead of a reaction to one.

[jim102016]

I was stationed at Keesler Air Force Base, the military installation that got hammered by Hurricane Katrina in southern Mississippi last August 29th. Until "DOOM ON YOU" mentioned it, I never made the comparison. The base itself was heavily damaged, but there was strict law and order naturally because of the military structure already in place. Off the base, it was a war zone that one had to see to fully understand and believe. Complete power outage for days, looting, neighbors pulling guns on one another, everything associated with wide-spread mental breakdowns. After a few days, the National Guard and police from all levels and states had roadblocks and curfews established, military police officers were placed in stores at closing time to ensure riots didn't take place, gas rationing, unimaginable destruction (casino barges floating ashore slamming into hotels and houses, bridges destroyed, etc.) Initially after the hurricane took place, there were bodies in the streets, commercial and residental looting...more "You Loot, We Shoot" signs than I've ever seen.

I also learned that you can't count on the media for **** either in a time of crisis....lets just say I saw too many poor bastards watching the
'suffering people of New Orleans" from the rubble of their house in Mississippi where the storm actually hit.

If I knew that the dead were rising and coming back, and I was of sound mind and body....I would do my damned-est to get the hell out of town. To hell with shelters, to hell with government assistance...get your ass away from heavily concentrated areas by any means necessary. Only then should you worry about where to build or find your fortress.

[CivilDefense]

Im not sure that ratholing yourself away somwhere would really work for the average homeowner, the biggest problem would be feeding yourself, The zombies arent going away anytime soon, and unless you were very quiet they growing number of zombies in your area would be a real issue.

Even the largest private shelter (http://www.webpal.org/d_resources/arktwo/index.htm) would only last so long, depending on the number of people. even a government shelter such as this (http://www.diefenbunker.ca/) was only really going to last approximately 30 days fully staffed.

anyway, unless your bunker is completely secret, any yabbo with a popbottle full of gasoline or a shovel is going to be able to get inside. So if the living want in, they are going to get in or it could get nasty.

I would think survival would be best handled in a rural northerly climate, wherein one could dig himself in, then in the winter, when the zombies are frozen solid, forage and store up enough food for the warm months. He could also use this time to build up his defenses or camoflage his surroundings.

I am of the belief NONE of the shelters survived past DOTD.

[jim102016]

That's a real interesting shelter, but if things went down hill fast, they'd have one hell of a problem keeping people away. Since its already an established place that vandals love to mess with, and it's been advertised, the best they can hope for is that everyone who knows about dies quickly. Even if that happens, someone is bound to come along and see the high fences, air intakes/exhausts and government-bunker looking entrances (god help them if the crazy bastards who come along think the government may have high value weapons or equipment stored in there).

Perhaps a shelter like that might work if it completely blended in with its environment, and its existence would have to be known to virtually no one. Of course, it would have to be in the middle of absolutely no where to be of any real long term value.

Perhaps some guy in Alaska has a shelter like that!

[darth los]

Is it safe to assume that all the rescue stations were gone by the time the events in Day or Land transpired? This applies mainly to Land and would be purely for speculation.

What sort of places might people have been staying in, during the Land-era aside from outposts, underground or on an island? Think a few hardy people would have remained in private residences, seeing that this was discouraged even as far back as the events from Dawn?

I guess this question comes up mainly because I ended up watching a couple of the Tremors movies last night, by chance, and was thinking of the character (Burt) with the large basement full of weapons and food rations.


i think it is safe to assume that by the end of dawn that most if not all rescue station were closed down. In the beginning of the film there were already many that had been over run. One can assume that by the end of the film which is about 5 months later that they had been completely shut down.

[MissJacksonCA]

Take any natural disaster... flooding... tornadoes... hurricanes... not everyone has the ability to get to a rescue station. They're typically the poor and disabled. The disabled are going to die its a simple fact but fret not people bedbound and in wheelchairs will pose no threat. Next... the poor... their homes are going to be ramshackle at best so they'll die off.

Now take into consideration the people that line up for the free bus transports to the safety shelters... you get people lining up to go to safety any of them could be infected already and if they're not they're going to be great food in mere moments because the zombies will go where the food is.

Next the rescue stations themselves... people who run them i'm either going to catagorize into type a... they're total a-holes who dont give a **** about the people coming there and have some sense of power-craze about themselves and are likely to close up shop to people they deem a risk to their personal safety.... or type b... they're really caring people who will take in injured people and jeopardize the safety of everyone by doing so. The shelters with type b people obviously are going to die off pretty fast. People wont be able to shoot the loved ones that are infected or recognise that its the only solution to the problem. And then the type a run shelters are simply going to be the site of a massive riot of people desperate for safety and zombies coming after them and of course that's going to be a scene of bloodshed as well.

I'm pretty sure most poeple given the severity of a zombie infested situation wont rise up and be able to recognise that they need to be killed. Its just not easy to hurt someone even if they have hurt you. Its instinct to defend yourself when attacked but not so much to kill beforehand. But those who are with the armed forces are likely to abandon their posts to be with family once they come face to face with the problem and they're going to arm themselves before going. So the natl guard posts and such wont have weapons for rogue groups to raid.

All in all... your best bet is going to be taking up shelter in a private residence and hoping that you're well armed. As for most people in their private residences I think most of them would be done for by the time land comes about.

So yep... there's little hope for recovery by land time

[jdog]

i would stay at home and fight them off. i have lots of guns, knives, axes and sh!t and tons of ammo. food would be the only problem.

[acealive1]

i'd hole up in my own house. tons of places are close to here. a mall wouldnt be necessary

[darth los]

you'd definitely have to find a place that you can hold up long term. I'm talking years if nescesary. If that be you house then so be it. Food and water would be the next concern, based on how many people are in your party.There more there are the more supplies you're going to need. Plans also need to be made in the event of looters or if zombies should infiltrate your stronghold.

[acealive1]

you'd definitely have to find a place that you can hold up long term. I'm talking years if nescesary. If that be you house then so be it. Food and water would be the next concern, based on how many people are in your party.There more there are the more supplies you're going to need. Plans also need to be made in the event of looters or if zombies should infiltrate your stronghold.

i'll be fine here. glass blocks and very narrow basement window openings help a lot. plus my windows are high up off the ground for the house and the ground isnt level at any point there. so unless a zed has serious stability,he's not gettin in.

[darth los]

i'll be fine here. glass blocks and very narrow basement window openings help a lot. plus my windows are high up off the ground for the house and the ground isnt level at any point there. so unless a zed has serious stability,he's not gettin in.

I'm guessing this is all assuming that we're dealing with shamblers and not runners or infected. They would be much harder to prepare for and there would be no "supply runs." It would be suicide. You would definitely have to plan to be in a heavily fortified place for the long hall.

[acealive1]

I'm guessing this is all assuming that we're dealing with shamblers and not runners or infected. They would be much harder to prepare for and there would be no "supply runs." It would be suicide. You would definitely have to plan to be in a heavily fortified place for the long hall.



supply run would be just that. LMFAO

[MinionZombie]

i'll be fine here. glass blocks and very narrow basement window openings help a lot. plus my windows are high up off the ground for the house and the ground isnt level at any point there. so unless a zed has serious stability,he's not gettin in.
Just as long as you've got GAR shamblers outside rather than Day of the Bulgarian Flying Zombies Remake nutters, or Yawn04 track stars. :lol:

[ILoVeZoMbiE]

Just as long as you've got GAR shamblers outside rather than Day of the Bulgarian Flying Zombies Remake nutters, or Yawn04 track stars. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[acealive1]

Just as long as you've got GAR shamblers outside rather than Day of the Bulgarian Flying Zombies Remake nutters, or Yawn04 track stars. :lol:


bulgarian? :lol:

[MinionZombie]

I think Careers of the Dead (aka Day of the Remake, aka It's a Bad Day to be a Remake) had some footage shot in Bulgaria, or something like that, I remember reading that somewhere quite a while ago, it's since become a bit of an in-joke here on the forums. :D

[EvilNed]

Bulgaria is a kick ass party country.

Anyway, I would not go to a rescue station. Infact I hope as many people as possible would stay in their homes around here, that way we could fortify our neighbourhood together. Organize a regular patrol schedule that makes sure there's always two patrols going on at all times and with walky-talkies or cellphones made up too.

Food would be a major problem after awhile. Which is when you'd have to break into houses that were abandoned and take their canned food, and work your way outwards like that.

[acealive1]

I think Careers of the Dead (aka Day of the Remake, aka It's a Bad Day to be a Remake) had some footage shot in Bulgaria, or something like that, I remember reading that somewhere quite a while ago, it's since become a bit of an in-joke here on the forums. :D

:lol: ok i'll have to take ur word for it bro

[darth los]

Bulgaria is a kick ass party country.

Anyway, I would not go to a rescue station. Infact I hope as many people as possible would stay in their homes around here, that way we could fortify our neighbourhood together. Organize a regular patrol schedule that makes sure there's always two patrols going on at all times and with walky-talkies or cellphones made up too.

Food would be a major problem after awhile. Which is when you'd have to break into houses that were abandoned and take their canned food, and work your way outwards like that.

And vice versa you would have to look out for people trying to take any supplies that you might have. I think gar got it right with the whole human conflict thing during a crisis in his films. You would have to fear other people just as much as the ghouls themselves, although for different reasons.

[Yojimbo]

Have you ever spoken to folks who call themselves survivalists, or been to one of their conventions? A small percentage of them are actual self-reliance proponents, the type that would be able to grow their own food, live in the woods with no electricity, no tv, no toilet paper. These folks are sadly in the minority. The majority of those that I have met that call themselves survivalists are gun freak, ultra fascist, marauder types that will kill other people for food to feed themselves and their own families. Apart from themselves and their immediate families, they do not and will not care about life, be it yours or mine. Similiarily they could give a rats ass about right and wrong if it meant improving their chances for survival. They will not rule out looting, stealing and killing in order to stay alive. This includes breaking into your shelter to take your supplies, etc. These folks, if put in a big group, would most likely kill each other if they felt it would provide themselves an advantage for survival.

The only way I can see a bunch of people banding together is if they were united by something other than the simple desire to stay alive. Something like a family connection, or a cultural or philisophical connection. So a Mormon survival group situated in some protected compound/town would probably get by. Or a group of armed Romanys (Gypsies). Cults would probably do ok, except their leadership might proactively tear itself apart just for fun and just out of insanity(Jonestown and the Davidians comes to mind)


Certainly there is recent evidence that the Government is too lameto rely on (Katrina, L.A. Riots 1992), so forget about having them save your ass, at least in a timely fashion.

[acealive1]

I agree, and yeah tremors is a good film and with burts house i think you would last awhile.


major understatement. you could blow the entire zombie population to hell with his ammo

[darth los]

Have you ever spoken to folks who call themselves survivalists, or been to one of their conventions? A small percentage of them are actual self-reliance proponents, the type that would be able to grow their own food, live in the woods with no electricity, no tv, no toilet paper. These folks are sadly in the minority. The majority of those that I have met that call themselves survivalists are gun freak, ultra fascist, marauder types that will kill other people for food to feed themselves and their own families. Apart from themselves and their immediate families, they do not and will not care about life, be it yours or mine. Similiarily they could give a rats ass about right and wrong if it meant improving their chances for survival. They will not rule out looting, stealing and killing in order to stay alive. This includes breaking into your shelter to take your supplies, etc. These folks, if put in a big group, would most likely kill each other if they felt it would provide themselves an advantage for survival.

The only way I can see a bunch of people banding together is if they were united by something other than the simple desire to stay alive. Something like a family connection, or a cultural or philisophical connection. So a Mormon survival group situated in some protected compound/town would probably get by. Or a group of armed Romanys (Gypsies). Cults would probably do ok, except their leadership might proactively tear itself apart just for fun and just out of insanity(Jonestown and the Davidians comes to mind)


Certainly there is recent evidence that the Government is too lameto rely on (Katrina, L.A. Riots 1992), so forget about having them save your ass, at least in a timely fashion.


Unfortunately, that's just human nature. Humans have always killed each other for what may seem like selfish reasons. The only reason it isn't done on a much larger scale today is because we need each other to live the way we have been accustomed to living in this technological age. Take the electricity away and it would be total anarchy.