Silent Hill... Can anyone explain the ending to me...

[Neil]

So were the mother and daughter just dead... That just seemed too obvious! Or was there a more intelligent thing in there I missed

I felt a little let down by the end sort of!

[Kaos]

So were the mother and daughter just dead... That just seemed too obvious! Or was there a more intelligent thing in there I missed

I felt a little let down by the end sort of!

Here is my take:

They could be dead or they could be still in the limbo dimension . The movie demonstrates that the demon can go from it's dimension to the limbo dimension as well as the world as we know it (when she dropped the baby off at the orphanage). Whether they are dead or in the limbo world doesn't really make much difference to me, and neither does the fact that it is ambiguous. I do believe that the demon entered her daughter at the end of the church scene and was in her daughter at the very end. BTW - I liked the demon character a lot actually.

[Rottedfreak]

As with the games you can never really figure out what you missed regarding the characters fate.

[MinionZombie]

Aye, I've literally just finished watching the film and I too had no idea what that ending was about, such ambiguity pisses me off ... could have been a bit shorter though, I got to 90 minutes and gasped because there was still 30 left to go!

It was a pretty decent flick, best video game adap I've seen, but had it been shorter and punchier it would have felt less like "people walk around looking scared/confused in one location after another, intermittently stepping in and out of the demon world" ... that's how I felt anyway.

Hmmm ... 5 or 6 out of 10.

[Danny]

if you use the search engine i posted a long post a while ack about the plot of silent hills games, that might help, and i can sit here all smug knowing the answer to something you dont:p

[p2501]

I take it as they are still in the fog plain, and the child demon took over the daughters from as she wanted a "mommy"

[HLS]

My take on it is that they died in the wreck which would explain how the husband senced her spirit when he went searching for her in the town. I thought it was so so sad.
Just a little trivia. She played also in Pitch Black:D

[dmbfanintn]

Guys,

Its not hiding any of your spoilers. You do not have to highight to read, they are all in plain view.

[p2501]

not to be a dick. but given the topic heading, what do you expect?

I think it's safe to assume that your going to get spoilers in this thread. So continue to read at your own risk.

[dmbfanintn]

not to be a dick. but given the topic heading, what do you expect?

I think it's safe to assume that your going to get spoilers in this thread. So continue to read at your own risk.

I have already seen Silent Hill (I will withold my personal feelings on the film, being a fan of the games) and am not too worried about the spoilers.

I was simply stating that because, apparently, folks were posting under the assumption that the spoilers were being hidden, obviously something isn't working quite right with that feature.

I was putting that there for others.

Maybe the original poster (Neil) could edit the subject line to state that there are spoilers in the thread.

[MinionZombie]

ooh! Just had When Games Attack on just now, and they had Silent Hill 2 as one of their top five worst game plots ... anyway, here is what happened!!

It appears the Mrs did die in the car crash - although how I don't know, a bit of a bump on the noggin and you die, b'ave - anyway, that is what seems to have happened - in Silent Hill 2 it appears you are the husband who goes in search of his Mrs, but turns out he's a nutjob and he's imagining it all ... or something - anyway, blondie died in the car apparently, but what about the kid?

[dmbfanintn]

Spoilers are hidden now!!!!

Yay!


if you use the search engine i posted a long post a while ack about the plot of silent hills games, that might help, and i can sit here all smug knowing the answer to something you dont:p

You should try to find that post!

Hellsing wrote up a great explanation of the games.

Edit: Never mind, I found it here:

in the first game harry , played by rose in the movie, is driving to silent hill with his adopted daughter who he found on the side of the road.. or in a field its not sepcific.
they see a police officer on a motorbike ,drive on and see the bike on its side on the curb then a woman appears in the cars path they swerve and crash, harry comes to adn cheryl is gone he heads off into the town there in "silent hill" to find her he discovers the town is infested with monsters and is steeped in a mystical and occult history.


heres the timeline leading to silent hill 1

before 16th c - native americans conduct rituals here. this land is valued as a sacred place in native american religion.

1607 - england began colonising north america

late 1600's - colonists begin to move to silent hill

1692 - salem witch trials in massechuttas

early 1700's - a mysterious plague breaks out and the town is abandoned

1776 - u.s declaration of independance

1789 - george washington elected

around 1810 - the war of 1812 begins
silent hill is resettled as a penal colony. silent hill prison and brookhaven hospital is built

1820 -maine becomes a state
allen smith paints waterfront landscape

1830 - forced removal policy for native americans

1840 - silent hill prison closes

1850 - a coal feild is discovered and wilse coal mine opens. which leads to the activation of the town.

1861 - out break of the civil war
chester and his son both participate in the war

1862 - toluca prison camp is constructed for POW's

1865 - culmination of the civil war

1866 - the prison camp is converted into toluca prison

1890 - end of native americans organsied resistance
people start to dissappear all over town

early 1900's - toluca prison is closed and the town becomes a tourist resort.

1918 - a tours ship called the little baroness goes missing

1939 - strang events at toluca lake

19xx - the town mayor dies suddenyl and key members of the towns development die accidental deaths.

well that the ''known'' timeline, but harry finds out other secret things ,as well as the mosnters.

heres what the book says about the events in the time line that relate to silent hill.

FOLK LORE: 'sacred ground were native americans conducted mysterious rituals' before settlers came from europe, silent hill was a holy place, even then the land seemed to hold a sacred power.

they revered the town as "the place of silent spirits" .however they were driven away by settlers and abandoned the town.

PRISON: after the outbreak of a plague the town is resetlled as a penal colony

many people lost there lives on this abombnable soil. consequently the town was first used as a penal colony. it was at this time it was first given the name silent hill.

after the closing of the prison the historical society was built on its former iste. it conveys the towns sense of history

HELLSINGS NOTE - the executioners at the penal colony wore red triangular hoods, this is a reoccuring theme as im sure you can guess where.

EPIDEMIC: once more the threat of plague steadily wraps the town in darkness.

the town was stricken by an epidemic. it may have been that becuase of the unforseen events the towns population as well of the thoughts and feelings of the origional prisoners, the origional power that the town held was gradually distorted.

the current incarnation of the brookhaven hospital has existed since it became large scale in the late 1800's

THE CIVIL WAR: the town is drawn into the civil war that devided the nation in two.

the civil war occured in 1861. the stone statue in the lake is a memorial to patrick lester who fought in the war at this time.

allthough the conflict was origionally bron from political opposition. it was distorted by future generations. into an issue conerning the birth of the religious cult.

TOLUCA LAKE: after becomeing a sightseeing area, a series of misfortunes befell the town.

with the closeing of wiltse coal mine came the reinvention of the town as a tourist resort. however to to a succetion fo boating accidents the town gained a poor reputation as a site seeing area.

the famous toluca lake is a place of powerful emotions. it is known as an ominous lake that has become completely shrouded in a pervasive mist.

HELLSINGS NOTE - this location is visited in silent hill 2 and 4 ,but not in 1 or 3.

well thats the towns real history, not seen the film yet, going to later today so i dont know how truthful it sticks to this, my next post has massive spoilers so ingnore if you dont wanna now the truth if the film confused you.

[spoilers] ALESSA HISTORY

20 yeas ago - the development group all die mysterious deaths.

the staff of a company that was working for the town as a sightseeing are died mysteriously one after the other.
becuase of the extent of the mysteries surrounding there deahts. it was rumored there was some connection to the towns religion
it was thought that the deaths overlapped with the towns strange past.

14 years ago - alessa is born

in the "nowere" of the first game we get a glimpse of allessas tortured existence.

12 years ago - cluadia is born

two years after allesa was bron. both girls parents were of the same faith and both girls were on extremely good terms during there childhood.

11 years ago - harry (played by rose in the film) wife dies suddenly.

7 years ago - cheryl is born

a fire breaks out that destoroys six buildings in the buisness district. it ws arranged so alesssa's body was found at the gallespie house. which was the origin of the fire. however the cause of this fire was a ritual so dahlia could use her daughter and impregnate her with the cults god.

lisa nursed alessa who brought her back using her powers in conunction with the warped powers of the town.

dr kauffman prbably replaced the body.

DRUG CIRCULATION - after the fire in the buisness district a new drug called "ptv" becomes prevalent in the town.
first a criminal investigator then the mayor of silent hill who was redoubleing efforts to regain control met with mysterious deaths one after the other.

ptv was circulated among tourists and the town corroded.

an unseen alliance exists between the hospital and the religious cult.

HELLSINGS NOTE- it has been thoerized that the ptv or 'white cluadia' either changes or prtoects people from changing into mosnters like the rest of the town supposedl did.

but this is just a thoery.

0 events of silent hill - heather is born

alessa 14 years old at the time, suffered from the burns infliced upon her by the ritual that brought about the decent of the god. in order to escape dahlias control, she calls out to cheryl her 'other half' ,who is 7 years old at the time, to return, due to the power of allessas thoughts the town is trnasformed into the ''otherwolrd'' silent hill.
in the attmept to rescue his daughter harry (rose) becaomes involed in these events.
after the two girls become one a new life is born, who harry names heather.

5 years later - a murder case in portland

after the events of silent hill harry (rose) took heather away with him, and moved to portland however, her wereabouts were discovered by a cult member who was searching for her.

harry killed him to protect the secret of heathers wereabouts from the cult.

? years later - after dahlias death there was a peroid of inactivity in the cult, after ten years had passed however, it became active once more ,the structure of the organisation was adjusted and there numbers rapidly increased, one young preist (vincent) was behind this renovation

HELLSINGS NOTE those events and the character claudia all appear in silent hill 3 were heather is now an adult and is taken bakc to the town.

possible movie sequel?

the follwing events are here in the timeline but silent hill 2 is set in the 80's ,just to put the series timelin into perspective.

materialization of delusions - starting with the first game the power that the town holds has gradually intensified. it has reached the point where those who hold darkness in there hearts are drawn to the town, and each of there subconiousness's are manefested as creatures in the town, case in point the red pyramidhead....

[Danny]

yes i know, i kick ass, theres pretty mutch nothing about the games i dont know, too bad there isnt a degree in survival horror:lol:
havent actually seen the film yet cus im broke, and what little money i get now and then im saving up for dead rising so its gonna be a while before i see the movie.


serioulsy i was pissed it was one of my directoral dreams to make a silent hill movie, though if i ever got the chance, and i hope i still do, id mutch rather make on on silent hill 2 cus it was all 80's and rmeinded me of 70's horror or silent hill 4 cus the script practically writes itself, and i know a dude who looks damn near exactly like walter sullivan.


actually i start my second and final year of college in 9 days so ill get soem EMA money ,nootch!

[MinionZombie]

You kids these days ... PAID to go to school! :eek: Disgraceful! I went for free to learn stuff I forgot immediately after doing the exam because we're not taught to retain knowledge, only swot for three months and then jizz it all over the paper...

*chuckles*

One good thing about not being in edu-ma-cayshun now is I don't have that back to school blues crap ... mind you, now I have to read the paper/watch the news and get really angry ... it's in the adult's rule book or something. But I stick by the theory that you aren't an adult until you're 30 ... and some people are now saying it's 40, so that's alright with me.

Slow-mo hand gun fights all round!

[Danny]

next you'll be talkin' about "those damn kids" and hiding pornos in our tool shed, cus thats all blokes over 40 are doing in there, ever remember your dad actually fixing anyhting in there?:lol: ......eww:dead:

[MinionZombie]

My Dad never had a tool shed, now he has a shed, but he just goes out in the morning and opens the door ... then comes back inside and watches TV ... then goes outside and closes the door again at night, ha!

[Danny]

okay i just saw this for the first time and speakng as a long time silent hill fanboy who holds the series in the same frame of mind as most of you do the dead films....

WHAT THE ****?!?

it starts off okay, even though all but two characters had there names changed to be more .....american:rolleyes: , but then about half way through it just throws the plot out of the window to become hollywood fodder.:mad:

in fact im so pissed im just gonna give a list.:mad:


1:silenthill isnt in west virginia:rockbrow:
2:rose should be a bloke called harry mason:(
3:sharon should be chryl
4:the cop guy should have been a doctor
5:pyramidhead was a part of the 2nd games main characters psyche, so why he even existed before the character is beyond impossible he just looked cool.:rockbrow:
6:the town didnt burn only 3 or 4 buildings, dahlia herself burnt allesa to awaken the cults god that was inside her/ her father (yeah i know it gets worse) and kept her alive in the hospital
7:it bypasses over half the game and runs with it ...in a downward spiral
8:aleesa killed dahlia at the end
9:floaty wire shooting woman...huh? :dead:
10:christabella was from comic books and not proper silent hill canon and had nothing to do with it she was meant to be a little girl in white who controlled the monsters.
11:cybil was meant to turn into a monster
12:there was only meant to be 5 people in the town the rest became the monsters!!!!!
13:in the end either it turned out to be the last dream of the lead character and if thats true after she hit the steering wheel it was her last nightmare while she died and only shaun beans bits were real, cybil died when her bike crashed. OR allessa and cheryl (sharon) joined as one and her real daughter "heather" was given to harry/ rose.
14:they didnt explore new silent hill ,the mall, the fair ground or the other world in her mind
15:miners?
16:no were was safe from the transition to dark world
17:why did her phone/ radio only go off once?, its meant to be a warning when monsters are near.
18:it was fog NOT ash
19:harrys/rose's daughter was a part of allessa but not sent to the orphanage which only appears 3 sequels later, but found by the roadside/field by harry and his dieing wife they never heard of silent hill and are going there on vacation
20:she didnt wake up in the bowling alley in the game but the resturant were he meets cybil instead
21:once again wtf?
22:the symbol they worship is not in the game the real symbol, the halo of the sun, is way...way more complex and i guess a cross was cheaper than something compilcated.
23:again, WHY THE **** IS PYRAMIDHEAD THERE?!?!?
24:she didnt have one gun in the film!
25: what the hell whent wrong with the second half in general, nothing to do with the game!:mad:
26:the changing wolr dthing only happens while shes/he is outside once much later to the end
27:nothing about the PTV or whie claudia drug under story OR the ancient history of the town
28:the was no coal mining in silent hill it was a penla colony.
29:dahlia led the cult herself she was the bad guy
30: the whole 'colin' the janitor thing was bullcrap too

well ill stop at 30 but this is less faithul to it than resident evil apocalypse was to resi 3: nemesis.
ive seen less predictable episodes of CSI.

overall as a long time fan im really pissed, it was noe of my directing dreams to make this film and i can safetly say i 100% would have written it better at least, very poor and i pray they dont try to change the story of silent hill 2 or im going jay and silent bob on them and heading to the studio:cool:

[Andy]

okay i just saw this for the first time and speakng as a long time silent hill fanboy who holds the series in the same frame of mind as most of you do the dead films....

WHAT THE ****?!?

it starts off okay, even though all but two characters had there names changed to be more .....american:rolleyes: , but then about half way through it just throws the plot out of the window to become hollywood fodder.:mad:

in fact im so pissed im just gonna give a list.:mad:


1:silenthill isnt in west virginia:rockbrow:
2:rose should be a bloke called harry mason:(
3:sharon should be chryl
4:the cop guy should have been a doctor
5:pyramidhead was a part of the 2nd games main characters psyche, so why he even existed before the character is beyond impossible he just looked cool.:rockbrow:
6:the town didnt burn only 3 or 4 buildings, dahlia herself burnt allesa to awaken the cults god that was inside her/ her father (yeah i know it gets worse) and kept her alive in the hospital
7:it bypasses over half the game and runs with it ...in a downward spiral
8:aleesa killed dahlia at the end
9:floaty wire shooting woman...huh? :dead:
10:christabella was from comic books and not proper silent hill canon and had nothing to do with it she was meant to be a little girl in white who controlled the monsters.
11:cybil was meant to turn into a monster
12:there was only meant to be 5 people in the town the rest became the monsters!!!!!
13:in the end either it turned out to be the last dream of the lead character and if thats true after she hit the steering wheel it was her last nightmare while she died and only shaun beans bits were real, cybil died when her bike crashed. OR allessa and cheryl (sharon) joined as one and her real daughter "heather" was given to harry/ rose.
14:they didnt explore new silent hill ,the mall, the fair ground or the other world in her mind
15:miners?
16:no were was safe from the transition to dark world
17:why did her phone/ radio only go off once?, its meant to be a warning when monsters are near.
18:it was fog NOT ash
19:harrys/rose's daughter was a part of allessa but not sent to the orphanage which only appears 3 sequels later, but found by the roadside/field by harry and his dieing wife they never heard of silent hill and are going there on vacation
20:she didnt wake up in the bowling alley in the game but the resturant were he meets cybil instead
21:once again wtf?
22:the symbol they worship is not in the game the real symbol, the halo of the sun, is way...way more complex and i guess a cross was cheaper than something compilcated.
23:again, WHY THE **** IS PYRAMIDHEAD THERE?!?!?
24:she didnt have one gun in the film!
25: what the hell whent wrong with the second half in general, nothing to do with the game!:mad:
26:the changing wolr dthing only happens while shes/he is outside once much later to the end
27:nothing about the PTV or whie claudia drug under story OR the ancient history of the town
28:the was no coal mining in silent hill it was a penla colony.
29:dahlia led the cult herself she was the bad guy
30: the whole 'colin' the janitor thing was bullcrap too

well ill stop at 30 but this is less faithul to it than resident evil apocalypse was to resi 3: nemesis.
ive seen less predictable episodes of CSI.

overall as a long time fan im really pissed, it was noe of my directing dreams to make this film and i can safetly say i 100% would have written it better at least, very poor and i pray they dont try to change the story of silent hill 2 or im going jay and silent bob on them and heading to the studio:cool:


the full storyline, including history, of silent hill is far far far too long and complicated to be squashed into a film.

as far as Game > Movie converts go, i thought it was pretty damn good, in fact i can honestly say it was the first one ive liked and i think comparing it to resident evil is pretty dumb..

[MikePizzoff]

1:silenthill isnt in west virginia:rockbrow:
2:rose should be a bloke called harry mason:(
3:sharon should be chryl
4:the cop guy should have been a doctor
5:pyramidhead was a part of the 2nd games main characters psyche, so why he even existed before the character is beyond impossible he just looked cool.:rockbrow:
6:the town didnt burn only 3 or 4 buildings, dahlia herself burnt allesa to awaken the cults god that was inside her/ her father (yeah i know it gets worse) and kept her alive in the hospital
7:it bypasses over half the game and runs with it ...in a downward spiral
8:aleesa killed dahlia at the end
9:floaty wire shooting woman...huh? :dead:
10:christabella was from comic books and not proper silent hill canon and had nothing to do with it she was meant to be a little girl in white who controlled the monsters.
11:cybil was meant to turn into a monster
12:there was only meant to be 5 people in the town the rest became the monsters!!!!!
13:in the end either it turned out to be the last dream of the lead character and if thats true after she hit the steering wheel it was her last nightmare while she died and only shaun beans bits were real, cybil died when her bike crashed. OR allessa and cheryl (sharon) joined as one and her real daughter "heather" was given to harry/ rose.
14:they didnt explore new silent hill ,the mall, the fair ground or the other world in her mind
15:miners?
16:no were was safe from the transition to dark world
17:why did her phone/ radio only go off once?, its meant to be a warning when monsters are near.
18:it was fog NOT ash
19:harrys/rose's daughter was a part of allessa but not sent to the orphanage which only appears 3 sequels later, but found by the roadside/field by harry and his dieing wife they never heard of silent hill and are going there on vacation
20:she didnt wake up in the bowling alley in the game but the resturant were he meets cybil instead
21:once again wtf?
22:the symbol they worship is not in the game the real symbol, the halo of the sun, is way...way more complex and i guess a cross was cheaper than something compilcated.
23:again, WHY THE **** IS PYRAMIDHEAD THERE?!?!?
24:she didnt have one gun in the film!
25: what the hell whent wrong with the second half in general, nothing to do with the game!:mad:
26:the changing wolr dthing only happens while shes/he is outside once much later to the end
27:nothing about the PTV or whie claudia drug under story OR the ancient history of the town
28:the was no coal mining in silent hill it was a penla colony.
29:dahlia led the cult herself she was the bad guy
30: the whole 'colin' the janitor thing was bullcrap too


If you didn't notice, the working title of this film wasSilent Hill: Centralia. Centralia IS an old coal mining town that has been burning for decades now. Only, it's not in West Virginia, like stated in the movie, it's in Central PA (I've been there, pretty cool).

I also thought that this was probably the best video game to movie conversion I've ever seen. You're picking it apart way too much. "She didnt wake up in this location in the game, wtf?!?!" .... so what if she woke up in a different location in the movie? It was probably for the better (time and entertainment wise).

Don't get so mad that they had a (few) character(s) that weren't in the original game, but in sequels. I liked that they did that. I'm very happy with pyramidhead's performance in the film.

I don't know. We can argue points all day and probably never change each others opinions on the film. I just felt like giving some of my imput on some of what you said.

[Andy]

im with mike here, im a HUGE fan of the game and the comics, so i know what im talking about :p

a game, especially one as rich and complex as silent hill, NEEDS to be simplified for a movie and i think they did a very good job of it, your picking at it way too much! the majority of your arguments against it there are childish and irrevelent, out of all of them i would say about 10 are valid. and i could argue those down if i wanted to :p

[mista_mo]

All I know is that it was a good film, and probibly the best video game to movie conversion i've seen. Great one, loved it

[Danny]

You're picking it apart way too much. "She didnt wake up in this location in the game, wtf?!?!" .... so what if she woke up in a different location in the movie? It was probably for the better (time and entertainment wise).




okay you make some fair points BUT i stand by this one cus he/ she was meant to black out and wake up in an alley to meet cybil for the first time IN town in a resturant and get there first weapon and torch, which meant they could have cut out the whole return to the car and handcuff bit and put more of the game in instead thats why that one pissed me off cus it wasted so mutch time n the long run when the director could have added some more cool stuff later on.

plus the director chose a writer who had never heard of silent hill, now i think you can all agree that was a bad move, its like getting someone to make a sequel to a dead film without ever having seen one......which probably explains contagium :lol:

[MikePizzoff]

Okay, Hellsing... you win this one... but this battle is not over.

[LouCipherr]

Hmmm, well, I watched this movie just 2 days ago. It was interesting, but that's as far as i'd go with it.

The three things I can say about this movie is: I liked the soundtrack, the cinematography was great, and the camera movements in this movie were simply incredible. The sweeping crane/dolly shots really gave the movie an ominous feeling. There was hardly ever a still camera shot. I likey. :)

As far as the storyline is concerned, I was never a huge fan of the games, nor have I really played any of 'em long enough to 'get' the whole story, so... coming from that side of things, this was an entertaining movie 'till the last 2 minutes.

The ending, however, sucked - regardless of what they were trying to imply about the wife and kid - it just sucked, and I hate movies with 'open' endings like this. If you're gonna tell a story in a movie, FINISH IT! :D

LC

[Dawg]

My take on it is that they died in the wreck which would explain how the husband senced her spirit when he went searching for her in the town. I thought it was so so sad.
Just a little trivia. She played also in Pitch Black:D

That would fit with the first Silent Hill videogame on the Playstation in which the father actually died in the car crash. (At least one of the endings.)

:dead: Dawg

[Andy]

That would fit with the first Silent Hill videogame on the Playstation in which the father actually died in the car crash. (At least one of the endings.)

:dead: Dawg
Only the demon can travel between realities.

When sharon and her daughter leave silent hill, they leave the town but stay in the alternative reality. they are not dead. this is why she can phone her husband (and its just static) and why he can sense her when their close.

its also why the world outside of silent hill (gas station and her house) are still dull and lifeless.

and dawg thats the bad ending you speak of, the good+ ending is generally considered the correct one :p

[Danny]

yeah cus the good ending leads onto silent hill 3 but the one dawgs on about was...if memory serves "the last nightmare of a dying man"

and yeah akira yamoakas music kicks ass that was the one thing all the fans on the forums wanted "they gotta use his music" cus hes a genius.

and at the start with the camera angles exactly like the game was pretty damn cool, so though we may hate static camera in survival horror it rocks in horror films, i may try my hand at it in my next short film:sneaky:

[Rottedfreak]

One thing that impressed me about the film was the way it didn't use cheap scare tactics like a character backing from the direction of a noise and turning around to face another character or monster. They could have so easily made a big thing of Cybil going to the car too, like have haunting music play as she approached it from behind then have the woman jump as Cybil tapped on the window.
Instead they tried to make it unsettling in other ways.

[Danny]

yeah thats a lesson we had in film called "how to avoid having your film go all 'wes craven' ", it was basically the prof's opportunity to take the piss out of scream for 2 hours:D

[Cody]

the other dimension they were in i think you have to die to enter since all 3 girls died on the high way to silent hill.

now someone said somewhere along the line that youve have been denying ur death for 30 years

and thats why i think they died