UK Teens the worst behaved

[DjfunkmasterG]

www.cnn.com

A UK report says the UK teens are the worst behaved and have a high percentage of under age drinking, and teen pregnancies

Go to link and check the video.

[_liam_]

well, never lived in another country but yeah, it's not unusual for a 14 year old in this country to do some drugs, shag his girlfriend and then go break into a car.

I partially blame the class system, society does condescend to working class youths in this country something terrible, two of the most popular characters on UK comedy shows are basically pisstakes of working class girls - or "chavs" as they call them here - chav is basically a word used by middle class folks who are too PC to use the word "commoner" or "peasant". This kind of national disdain is bound to breed ill will in some individuals.

Also Britain has a whole "big & clever" thing about drinking, alcohol is very much a part of our modern culture, as is casual drug use. smoking weed, drinking ten pints of lager and then having a couple of lines is not seen as particularly bad by most generation x/y-ers. this inevitably leads to bad behaviour a lot of the time, although the change in licensing laws has spread it out a bit, the simultaneous chucking out time on weekends in the past used to turn whole precincts into flashpoints (where i live anyway).

although obviously the kids themselves are not without blame. the clockwork orange-esque gangs that roam town centres looking for people to pulp (no exaggeration) are a blight on our country, i certainly go out a lot less than i used to, and when i do i nearly always get a cab to and from where im going to.

[Danny]

tell me about it im the only guy i know whos made it to 18 without drinking tilli cant feel feelings anymore or smoked till i sound like mel b from bo selecta.

thing is even though i still love anime and cartoons i do now think of kids as "them" or "the little ****s", who knows maybe i am growing up.

just slowly, though to be fair blokes dont grow up we just get older:D

[Tricky]

Give the police back the power to birch the little ****s and the anti-social problems would disappear almost overnight ;)

[_liam_]

i think if you chalk up further offences after an ASBO you should be sent to do national service.

although then they would come back trained killers.

maybe the answer is to learn jeet kune do and just whup everyone that heckles you...

[coma]

And whats up with that happy slapping BS. Is that really a common thing?

The clockwork Orange Gang beatdowns don not sound very appetizing.:eek:

[Tricky]

And whats up with that happy slapping BS. Is that really a common thing?

The clockwork Orange Gang beatdowns don not sound very appetizing.:eek:

Its certainly true,& furthermore when i left school in '98 at 16,things like that didnt happen on the scale that they are now,coincides with labour getting hold of the country :rolleyes:
The country needs all the red tape cutting & proper old skool law & order brought back

[_liam_]

yeah the happy slapping thing is way out of control, two people have even been killed. the problem is, with our sadistic british humour being taken to extreme, that the kids seem to think, "well its only a punch, its just for a laugh". idiots.

the clockwork orange type gangs thing is all too real. theyre not gangs as such, more just groups of lads who make it a thing to go out on the weekend and kick the crap into people. there's a couple of streets tracks that describe it roughly. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/streets/geezersneedexcitement.html

the most worrying thing is how indiscriminate it is, i'm not exactly freakish looking, but i do have very long hair and i wear tight black clothes, and i've had knives, broken bottles even gas pistols shoved in my face once or twice for being "a f***ing weirdo", sometimes i just think jesus, how do full on goths and rastas get treated?!

it's better in some areas and worse in others though, this country isn't all bad, cardiff is beautiful and rudeboys only approach you to either sell you drugs or ask if you have any (in the friendliest possible way).
probably cos more people live in the city of london than the whole country of wales.

[capncnut]

I see these little upstarts every single day. Why can't they talk at a sensible level instead of shouting every sentence they utter?

[_liam_]

probably cos a lot of the victorian era water piping is laced with lead and drives them batty!

horrific thing on the news just now, a girl was held down and stabbed in the eye with scissors, for, wait for -
liking led zeppelin.

i mean jesus christ.

when i was in college the place had a few problems with serious bullying and drugs, so they got a bunch of ex cops as security guards, which sorted it out. should be introduced as standard, imo.

[scotty Boy]

Personally i have never witnessed or been involved in any of these acts. But i know of friends who have been forced to hand over there phones and wallets by chavs in the middle of the day just because one had a skateboard in the back of his car.

Its ridiculous and absolutly ****ish, but its the society i have had to live in, i admit i do get worried if i have to walk past a couple of chavs on the way to work. But its something im used to and will have to put up with for a very long time

[bassman]

horrific thing on the news just now, a girl was held down and stabbed in the eye with scissors, for, wait for - liking led zeppelin.


I.....I don't know what to say. One of the greatest of all time and she gets stabbed in the eye for it? Damn....and I thought it was bad over here.

[capncnut]

horrific thing on the news just now, a girl was held down and stabbed in the eye with scissors, for, wait for - liking led zeppelin.

i mean jesus christ.

It's the other way round for me, I would stab somebody in the eye for not liking Led Zeppelin! :D

[bassman]

It's the other way round for me, I would stab somebody in the eye for not liking Led Zeppelin! :D

:lol:
Word.

[Danny]

you know they should just go to high chav areas like london and chaddesden, AKA -"the hive", and sne din the LAPD, cus those guys'll kick ten bells a **** outta you for breathing wrong, thatd set em straight.

and whatever happened to the police over here getting those taser guns, it aint fatal but still teaches em a lesson so im all for it.:lol:

[prettycorpses]

Some young d***heads tortured their friend and filmed it on their phones where I live the other day, the other month a young lad got beaten to death by a gang of youths who thought he was someone else! and Hull (Where I live) ISNT the worst place in England to live anymore!AMAZING! theres always things kicking off round here.....people been killed with hammers, child murders etc

Bring back National Service!! Old style service not this namby pamby stuff of today.

[Tricky]

Some young d***heads tortured their friend and filmed it on their phones where I live the other day, the other month a young lad got beaten to death by a gang of youths who thought he was someone else! and Hull (Where I live) ISNT the worst place in England to live anymore!AMAZING! theres always things kicking off round here.....people been killed with hammers, child murders etc

Bring back National Service!! Old style service not this namby pamby stuff of today.

Hull eh!about 20 minutes from me,i only go there for the cinema or shopping though.Or to drive round bransholme & laugh at all the scallies thinking they're tough :lol:

[prettycorpses]

Your lucky to leave with your car intact driving around bransholme....them lot will nick anything!! Saying that its not a bad estate, its just got a bad rep like greatfield and orchard park!

[MinionZombie]

lol, I was gonna post about this when the report came out last week or so in the UK, but was too lazy. :lol:

That - procrastination - is the bigger problem for my generation I think, we're a lazy bunch who put things off a lot. Of course, even though we have the "worst teenagers" they're still in the minority in comparison to teenagers on a whole, still though, more evidence that Labour's useless leadership has damaged our country.

The drinking culture on this pokey little island is out of control, you drink to get drunk - simple as. You get drunk to forget about what is pissing you off/depressing you in real life. Hell, I've done that before when I was that age, but I was a rare binger (and a comparitive lightweight). In the mid-90s there was this whole 'alcopop' thing, which was basically boozy drinks aimed legally at 18 year olds (but blatantly aimed at underage kids too) - they were brightly coloured, had funky adverts, tasted like a fizzy drink so you didn't taste the alcohol. See, if all booze tasted like it normally does, teenagers wouldn't be drinking, because booze is generally quite foul tasting (until you've put in the hours acquiring the taste).

Teen pregnancy - yep, these slappers getting up the duff say things like "I didn't know you could get preggers the first time" - what f*cking blatant moronic trogledites are we bringing up here!!!??? WEAR A F*CKING CONDOM - IT'S THAT F*CKING SIMPLE.

Not surprising though, you very rarely see an advert on TV for condoms, the sort of kids who are getting pregnant at 13 are the sort who don't go to school, so therefore they're missing out on the sex education you get in Year 7 (first year of high school). In fact, there should be a straight-talking "facts of life" style course kids must take which gives it to them straight about sex, drugs, booze and other such issues - but the gubment aren't that smart.

Instead they think we should be teaching sex ed in PRIMARY school (yes, to ALL the kids who are about 10 years old ... excuse me, why are you raping their childhoods to make them become a depressed adult even sooner?!)

EDUCATION - the simple solution. Get the sort of kids who are getting pregnant so early to find something in school they want to be there for - or outright FORCE them to go to the "facts of life" course they should have in high school. Also, give power back to the teachers - the kids who are bastards and have no respect walk all over the teachers because they know they can't do a damn thing to stop them - another power taken away by Labour and their retarded education "policy" (that was their "key issue" when they were elected, yet they've systematically destroyed it).

As for boozing and violent "yoofs" - get police on the street, give them the power to sort them out (yes, the dreaded "clip round the ear" - dun dun duuuuuuuun) and I quite like that idea of National Service for repeat offenders - you'll soon see a drop in such bastard behaviour then.

Finally - it's the fault of the parents as well. They're too busy living their own lives, rather than realising that when you have kids you have no life, you dedicate yours to theirs and should have bloody well taught them enough by the time they're a teenager they have respect for their elders and for their surroundings as well as not getting all pissed up on alcopops.

You know how I was introduced to alcohol? My parents - in a controlled and educated manner - do I binge drink? Nope ... although when I do get a chance to drink with friends then I usually, technically, binge - because if you're drinking with mates, drink to get drunk - to feel silly and free of all the hang-ups you usually have when sobre.

As for sex - I actually stayed in class and learnt about it in high school, and my parents sat down and went through the biology book with me before the test we had on that module - scored a 25 out of 25. Sorted. Where I learnt the other facts and details? TV, movies and downloaded porn. :D

There's too much pussy footing in this country, give the teachers and police back their power to command respect and you'll soon see sh*t getting sorted out, none of this ASBO badge of honour crap (Blair actually said yesterday that 'despite 50% aren't working, that means 50% are working' :eek: - no, 50% ARE NOT WORKING irrespective.

*sigh*

What a bugger up this gubment have made of our country.

As for the so-called "hug a hoody" thing that Cameron came up with, it wasn't quite what the newspapers and TV comedians made of it - it was supposed to be about understanding the hoody wearing teenagers - a seriously smart idea. Understand them and find out from them what their life is like and why they do the things they do, then create a country that can deal with it. Labour just grasp any and all power and take it away from everyone - they tell us what to do no matter what it is or how utterly out-of-touch they are, which is not effective governance.

The government works for the people, not the other way around.

Goddamn this was a long old rant...:eek:

PrettyCorpses:

Hull eh? Now excuse my piss poor geography/topography, but that's not super far from Herefordshire is it? And Tricky, not far from there? Hmmm ... here I was thinking I was the only one representin' my area of the country...

Liam - you in Cardiff?

[Danny]

and thank god your that far from chav, sorry chaddesden, im in derbyshire and that 20 odd miles is still too close for my liking.:D

[_liam_]

insert "hull on earth" joke here...

nah man i'm near bristol (smackheads! gang shootings! drum & bass! bring the whole family), but got friends in cardiff and i go there for gigs a fair bit.

[Khardis]

Damned Chavs!!!

You Brits need to re-elect the conservatives so they can start busting some heads. Or re-legalize gun ownership. Or read Clockwork Orange.

[Cykotic]

Well, here in North Shields, every single corner has a major Chav infestation problem. They smoking, asking people to go into shops and buy them booze and if you don't, you end up getting a brick thrown at you (I've suffered that fate... I still get headaches from it).

I say we should instill some fear into them. Now, my idea is this: instead of the whole "Hug-a-Hoodie" thing, how about "Hang-a-Hoodie"?

Ok, maybe that was taking it a bit too far...

[Khardis]

Well, here in North Shields, every single corner has a major Chav infestation problem. They smoking, asking people to go into shops and buy them booze and if you don't, you end up getting a brick thrown at you (I've suffered that fate... I still get headaches from it).

I say we should instill some fear into them. Now, my idea is this: instead of the whole "Hug-a-Hoodie" thing, how about "Hang-a-Hoodie"?

Ok, maybe that was taking it a bit too far...

Did you beat them down? I seriously think England should re-legalize gun ownership. This is absurd.

[_liam_]

lol well you can't really shoot people for that kinda thing, the only thing you can do is fight back, but then there's always more of them (they never do anything when i'm with a load of mates, funny that), and they could find out where you live & where you go and make things difficult.

[coma]

Did you beat them down? I seriously think England should re-legalize gun ownership. This is absurd.

The only problem with that (and I am not pro huntrol) is that a flood of guns just mans more Guns in the hands of Criminals. Regular people, gun or not, are way more hesitent to use force. Ecspecially extreme force. Besides, Gun ownership and carry permits are very different things.



And , hey UK, welcome to USA circa 1986!! Drugs and Guns equals big, big fun!
You could form your own gang but then that turns into all out war. Besides the violence disgusts you all because you ar not low lifes, so thats not possible.

Teachers who can use corporal punishment don't use it on the bad kids, who are most likely to beat the snot out of them. They use it on everybody else. They stopped it because teachers get vendettas and are sadistic.

If National Service means Army, you end up with an Army full of Criminals. "You're so anti authoritarian and stupidly violent we're going to give you an M16 and turn you loose"

I only know from what you fellas say, but aren't Chavs(that word kills me) lower class. So wouldn't improving the economic prospects help the situation?
Is this really some new thing? Maybe the new thing is the bad fashion and music and not so much the behavior. Dpn't take any of that as some kind of sympathy for thugs. I hate them plenty. Its mostly self interest.


Hug a hoodie?

[Khardis]

lol well you can't really shoot people for that kinda thing, the only thing you can do is fight back, but then there's always more of them (they never do anything when i'm with a load of mates, funny that), and they could find out where you live & where you go and make things difficult.
If a group of thugs are coming to beat you down, you CAN shoot them and claim self defense. At least where I live you can. And I wouldnt have it any other way personally.


The only problem with that (and I am not pro huntrol) is that a flood of guns just mans more Guns in the hands of Criminals. Regular people, gun or not, are way more hesitent to use force. Ecspecially extreme force. Besides, Gun ownership and carry permits are very different things.

Improving economic situations wont do much, Europe is already a big welfare state.




And , hey UK, welcome to USA circa 1986!! Drugs and Guns equals big, big fun!
You could form your own gang but then that turns into all out war. Besides the violence disgusts you all because you ar not low lifes, so thats not possible.

Teachers who can use corporal punishment don't use it on the bad kids, who are most likely to beat the snot out of them. They use it on everybody else. They stopped it because teachers get vendettas and are sadistic.

If National Service means Army, you end up with an Army full of Criminals. "You're so anti authoritarian and stupidly violent we're going to give you an M16 and turn you loose"

I only know from what you fellas say, but aren't Chavs(that word kills me) lower class. So wouldn't improving the economic prospects help the situation?
Is this really some new thing? Maybe the new thing is the bad fashion and music and not so much the behavior. Dpn't take any of that as some kind of sympathy for thugs. I hate them plenty. Its mostly self interest.


Hug a hoodie?


Cant say I agree with that. I am a gun owner have been for some time and the evidence suggest that guns in countries like the USA are overwhelmingly used more for self defense against criminals than in crimes. And there is a large difference between legal guns and illegal guns. The thugs in England can still get guns if they want to, many still have them. The average citizen however who obeys the law is left unarmed. This gives rise to crime.

Allowing law abiding British citizens to defend themselves with guns would reduce crime and keep the chavs in check. Even the Mayor of London said he felt safer in the USA than he did walking the streets of London.

[coma]

If a group of thugs are coming to beat you down, you CAN shoot them and claim self defense. At least where I live you can. And I wouldnt have it any other way personally.




Cant say I agree with that. I am a gun owner have been for some time and the evidence suggest that guns in countries like the USA are overwhelmingly used more for self defense against criminals than in crimes. And there is a large difference between legal guns and illegal guns. The thugs in England can still get guns if they want to, many still have them. The average citizen however who obeys the law is left unarmed. This gives rise to crime.

Allowing law abiding British citizens to defend themselves with guns would reduce crime and keep the chavs in check. Even the Mayor of London said he felt safer in the USA than he did walking the streets of London.

You accidentaly added a sentence to the quote in the 1st paragraph about A welfare state, which I did not say. I would appreciate if you could please correct that.

You COULD Shoot anyone, It doesn't mean you will.
As a kid I frequently carried a weapon (not a gun), though I never used it. I prefered to use my fists, or run.
States without much Gun Control are way more violent from what I understand. And Legal Guns become Illegal guns. Though the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns" is true. iT's obvious on it's face.

Firearms are not the solution to social discontent.

Thugs have to face real consequences, combined with real social solutions to remove the reasons for "chavism":D . Sreet Crime is often the product of economic distress and alienation.oh yeah, and stupidity. Can't forget that.
Thats is not about coddling criminals, its more about providing reasonable choices so being a botard seems much less attractive.

I find it hard to believe that The UK has even close to the levels of shootings we have here. Sounds like hype to me, but I do not live there and I can be wrong. If almost every shooting is reported. it's hype. If 99% are ignored, it's not.
I have personally witnessed many gunfights in the street, Drive bys (and an automatic waepon walk by) got shot at once and almost got blasted in the calf by a stray bullet.
And I AVOID trouble. Most of that between 1986-1996. Its mellowed considerably since then

[_liam_]

nah shootings here aren't that common. most gang members use these reactivated deringer pistols that break almost straight away.

knives are more of an issue.
i think the cause is a combination of economic troubles and the way culture glorifies casual violence at the moment.

also the education system is an abomination that is understaffed, incompetent and has a bias towards the middle classes.

[Gouldy]

It is a shame what this country has come to. And this maybe sound out of order/racists/whatever else but it is mainly (not entirly) hip-hop/black culture, the whole trying to be gangsta' it causes alot of problems and its also the class system in the UK, its asif the so called 'working class' kids are trying to live up to their name.
The police should be given weapons and run a no tolerance system where if you break the law you are then classed as below a human being and should not have right.

[MinionZombie]

"hug a hoody" is how the tabloids and TV comedians interpreted an idea by Conservative Party leader David Cameron. What he was trying to get at was "understand the youth" - which makes a lot of sense. They feel disaffected and ignored - understand why they do the things they do, and then you can figure out a solution. It doesn't mean go and actually hug one, geez (that geez wasn't aimed at you Coma, by the way).

Also - guns ... in the UK? Oh there's a great idea. It's blatantly obvious that if you flood a country with guns, legal or illegal, the death toll rockets. Death-by-bullet in the USA is rather hefty. Yes we have guns in the UK, but not many and the ones we do have are limited to specially trained police officers (or similar), farmers or the like who have hunting rifles and the underworld - but then again, the underworld, anywhere in the world, has everything anyway - so there's no surprise there.

However, death-by-sprayed-lead in the UK is not too bad, it's pretty low. Heck, more people probably die from lead poisoning (e.g. bad water pipes/paint etc) than bullets.

Back to hoodies - it's annoying because the bad crowd (minority) have taken it over because the hood hides their face from CCTV (and yet the press haven't made the link between hoodies and Muslim veils versus CCTV...interesting) - anyway, the hoody has been taken over by a handful of wankers and now hoodies in general are vilified and feared for no rational reason by non-hoody-wearing people.

Heck, I'm wearing a hoody right now, am I out raping and pillaging? Er ... no.

Thugs are thugs, irrespective of clothing. How about getting some coppers on the streets giving these punks the beat down. Forget guns, knives are Britain's problem ... that and binge drinking/teenage sluts getting knocked up (which probably is a result of said overdrive alcohol imbibing).

[Khardis]

You accidentaly added a sentence to the quote in the 1st paragraph about A welfare state, which I did not say. I would appreciate if you could please correct that.

You COULD Shoot anyone, It doesn't mean you will.
As a kid I frequently carried a weapon (not a gun), though I never used it. I prefered to use my fists, or run.
States without much Gun Control are way more violent from what I understand. And Legal Guns become Illegal guns. Though the "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns" is true. iT's obvious on it's face.

Firearms are not the solution to social discontent.

Thugs have to face real consequences, combined with real social solutions to remove the reasons for "chavism":D . Sreet Crime is often the product of economic distress and alienation.oh yeah, and stupidity. Can't forget that.
Thats is not about coddling criminals, its more about providing reasonable choices so being a botard seems much less attractive.

I find it hard to believe that The UK has even close to the levels of shootings we have here. Sounds like hype to me, but I do not live there and I can be wrong. If almost every shooting is reported. it's hype. If 99% are ignored, it's not.
I have personally witnessed many gunfights in the street, Drive bys (and an automatic waepon walk by) got shot at once and almost got blasted in the calf by a stray bullet.
And I AVOID trouble. Most of that between 1986-1996. Its mellowed considerably since then

Actually states WITH gun control are MUCH more violent. DC, NYC, LA etc are incredibly dangerous cities and guns are all but illegal. States like CT where I live have the highest gun ownership rate in the US and our crime rates are reletively low.


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Also - guns ... in the UK? Oh there's a great idea. It's blatantly obvious that if you flood a country with guns, legal or illegal, the death toll rockets. Death-by-bullet in the USA is rather hefty. Yes we have guns in the UK, but not many and the ones we do have are limited to specially trained police officers (or similar), farmers or the like who have hunting rifles and the underworld - but then again, the underworld, anywhere in the world, has everything anyway - so there's no surprise there.

However, death-by-sprayed-lead in the UK is not too bad, it's pretty low. Heck, more people probably die from lead poisoning (e.g. bad water pipes/paint etc) than bullets.

You have less gun death in the UK, true, but your crime rate has gone astronomically high. Youre much more likely to be beaten, robbed and raped in the UK from what I understand per capita than in the United States.

A quick note on gun deaths in the USA, its bloated by statistics. I am sure youre referring to the 10,000 gun deaths per year figure most people got from Bowling for Columbine. The fact is, that of those 10,000 deaths MORE than half are due to self inflicted suicides. And of the remaining half the majority is the death of criminals from other criminals, or death of criminals from persons defending thier homes with legal guns.

Since the UK outlawed guns, the crime rate has grown in leaps and bounds. And now the citizenry is completely unarmed. Good luck fighting off a tyranical government or defending yourselves from armed home invaders. I personally think they should repeal those facist anti gun laws, it will reduce your crime rate and also reduce the number of these happy slapping chav bastards. Remember, an armed society is a polite society.

Everywhere country with strict gun control laws and bannings that is still a free society are more dangerous than places with legal gun control. the UK crime rate is much worse than much of the US for example. And the Swiss are near required to keep a weapon in thier homes at all times.

Gun control disarms those who follo the law and arms those who do not. This increases crime. Its been proven.

[coma]

Actually states WITH gun control are MUCH more violent. DC, NYC, LA etc are incredibly dangerous cities and guns are all but illegal. States like CT where I live have the highest gun ownership rate in the US and our crime rates are reletively low.
Check your facts, bro. NYC is now one of the very safest large cities in the US.
Most of the Most dangerous cities now are in the Midwest and South. And I think Oakland is way more dangerous than LA. I think DC is dangerous because it's incredibly poor.
And, though I may be wrong, Ct is pretty rich in general. I know there are pockets of bad areas (Hartford I think) but it looks pretty upscale whenever I have been there. I really like CT. To me, it's like heaven (sorta).

Here is a list Of Safest to Most dangerous cities
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061030/ap_on_re_us/city_crime_list_glance

I asked to fix that quote where you added something I did not say. I asked nicely and clearly. I would like to to fix that and not just ignore that I aksed that.

[Cody]

those UK teen girls though are a whoa...wild ride.

[7feet]

Board seems to be a lil' busted for me, so a little more ad hoc

"A quick note on gun deaths in the USA, its bloated by statistics. I am sure youre referring to the 10,000 gun deaths per year figure most people got from Bowling for Columbine. The fact is, that of those 10,000 deaths MORE than half are due to self inflicted suicides. And of the remaining half the majority is the death of criminals from other criminals, or death of criminals from persons defending thier homes with legal guns."

What part of dead do you not understand? Dead is unfortunately dead. Please point me to the specific studies for those statistics. I don't know about any numbers from Bowling for Columbine, but its pretty old now and and where do they stand now? I'd much prefer hard numbers as opposed to any "about this many" tripe.

More than half of all gun deaths in this country are due to suicides? Are you out of you friggin' mind? Unless you are defining self inflicted as "he ran in front of the bullet, yer Honor", find a new horse, kid, that one's lame.

Any specs on gun related injuries. That might be more indicative. I've only seen maybe 2 folks die in front of me from gunshot wounds, but I've seen a good number of shot people, mostly kids who never did dick to anyone.


States like CT where I live have the highest gun ownership rate in the US and our crime rates are reletively low.
So, you spend your days off wandering through Hartford, do you? Emminently safe area, I hear. Not anywhere on the list of the countries scariest cities.



dangerous because it's incredibly poor.
Worth quoting, that is.

[prettycorpses]

PrettyCorpses:

Hull eh? Now excuse my piss poor geography/topography, but that's not super far from Herefordshire is it? And Tricky, not far from there? Hmmm ... here I was thinking I was the only one representin' my area of the country...

Yeh your not too far from Hull, about couple hours Id say, your slightly more north then I am!