No Fly for ALL Americans

[Éamon_DeValera]

New Law: NO FLY FOR ALL AMERICANS!

The Truth Will Set You Free | November 6, 2006

Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA International

If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the United States.

It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. Passport - a "travel document" that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you want.

When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the agency says "no" to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United States.

Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to expire, so you board your flight back to the United States.

But wait! You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA. Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid detention center, where you and others who are now effectively "stateless persons" are detained, potentially indefinitely, until their immigration status is sorted out.

Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United States?

No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of appeal.

Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant, without probable cause and without even any particular degree of suspicion.

Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're a prisoner - either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or not you hold a U.S. passport.

The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing "freedom of travel."

So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

Think this can't happen? Think again.

It's ALREADY happening.

[EvilNed]

For **** sake. Soon I'm going to open a fund for Terrorists willing to blow up the White House and US Senate. Seriously, the best thing would be to cleanse out all the idiots and replace them with clearheaded guys.

Nobody in the entire US would vote FOR such an act, yet the politicans are seriously considering it?

[Arcades057]

Thirteen nuclear reactors existed in "prehistoric" periods along the 200-metre mine bed at Oklo --it was discovered in 1972, and they were comparable to the modern nuclear reactor in power and heat combustion.

This mine had the capability of enabling self-sustained nuclear chain reactions". This discovery shocked the entire scientific community back in 1972---but hold on,-- we'll get back to this later.


As we look at a bit of what is being called evidence of ancient atomic warfare (or simply atomic explosions),and possible ancient atomic knowledge I think its important to make a distinction. (Here I'm speaking to Believers).

It is important that we can establish through available evidence some seen on other pages here-- that: the Bible does in fact mention dinosaurs, that man and dinosaurs co-existed as the Bible would indicate; that DNA is proof of a creator, that the worldwide flood of Noah did happen, and that the world was created in one week as the Word says.

It's not that every believer needs to have these things proven, but it is at least interesting to know that there is scientific evidence that supports the Bible.

In the case of this examination of ancient atomic capability, there is no Biblical principle, doctrine or account that we need to support. Christians, as far as I can see have no stake in this one way or the other. We believe we have established on other pages here that there were pre-flood civilizations unaccounted for in traditional science.

We have pondered the question of the technological sophistication of these pre-flood civilizations. Atomic warefare or atomic capability would be another indication of this sophistication and little else. It may be that if it existed it was part of the wickedness that God saw, as referenced by the quote from Genesis 6 at the top of this page. The most interesting story on these pages is the absolutely true story of the Oklo mines on Page 2 of this section. To be fair, I'd have to label some of the other stories about nuclear craters and irradiated cities as speculative.

On the other hand, I personally would enjoy the consternation that would result among materialists/evolutionists, if it could be proven that this technology did in fact previously exist. It would be very difficult to fit that knowledge into the current paradigm, wouldn't it?

As for believer's such a confirmation could only bolster our confidence that when we say to materialists that "there are things in Heaven and earth that are not dreamed of in your philosophy", that that is proving truer every day.(Perhaps ancient weapons capability was why some were living in caves in the first place--with mobile art on the walls as technically proficient as the best art of the Renaissance).

My take is then is that there are some interesting things to consider, and that we should just take a look at it and form a conclusion. It may well be that we will reject all of the "evidence" or merely some of it. It's certainly worth a couple of minutes of our no doubt valuable time to give a look.

The "evidence" will largely fit in four categories. 1)Descriptions in what are thought to be the oldest written texts by man still in existence. 2)Discovery of archeological sites which demonstrate characteristics, including high levels of radiation, consistent with an atomic explosion and)3)physical evidence (changes in the sand) similar to those found at the site of current day atomic explosions.4)Bingo! Evidence of depleted uranium with plutonium products!



Yes, I can C&P like a retard from retarded sites that anyone with an ounce of sense can disprove too. At least mine are kind of interesting.

[kortick]

i Agree with doom

what is this guy doing here

who is he

why are these posts being put here

we know nothing of this person and he
doesnt even respond to his own posts


there are too many questions of this person

all people i feel should be welcome here

but the hpotd has been spam free
for as long as i can remember

i think that dooms post
deserves some kind of response

[Dropper]

i Agree with doom

what is this guy doing here

who is he

why are these posts being put here

we know nothing of this person and he
doesnt even respond to his own posts


there are too many questions of this person

all people i feel should be welcome here

but the hpotd has been spam free
for as long as i can remember

i think that dooms post
deserves some kind of response

Don't hold your breath. It seems that we should just ignore him...

Okay, that's fine by me... I just don't like the idea of others getting warned for ribbing the guy. It's wrong, and it's not like what things used to be. Oh well...

[Cody]

LOL I LOVE IT LOVE EVERY SINGLE BIT OF EAMON

gives ya something to talk about

[Danny]

Thirteen nuclear reactors existed in "prehistoric" periods along the 200-metre mine bed at Oklo --it was discovered in 1972, and they were comparable to the modern nuclear reactor in power and heat combustion.

This mine had the capability of enabling self-sustained nuclear chain reactions". This discovery shocked the entire scientific community back in 1972---but hold on,-- we'll get back to this later.


As we look at a bit of what is being called evidence of ancient atomic warfare (or simply atomic explosions),and possible ancient atomic knowledge I think its important to make a distinction. (Here I'm speaking to Believers).

It is important that we can establish through available evidence some seen on other pages here-- that: the Bible does in fact mention dinosaurs, that man and dinosaurs co-existed as the Bible would indicate; that DNA is proof of a creator, that the worldwide flood of Noah did happen, and that the world was created in one week as the Word says.

It's not that every believer needs to have these things proven, but it is at least interesting to know that there is scientific evidence that supports the Bible.

In the case of this examination of ancient atomic capability, there is no Biblical principle, doctrine or account that we need to support. Christians, as far as I can see have no stake in this one way or the other. We believe we have established on other pages here that there were pre-flood civilizations unaccounted for in traditional science.

We have pondered the question of the technological sophistication of these pre-flood civilizations. Atomic warefare or atomic capability would be another indication of this sophistication and little else. It may be that if it existed it was part of the wickedness that God saw, as referenced by the quote from Genesis 6 at the top of this page. The most interesting story on these pages is the absolutely true story of the Oklo mines on Page 2 of this section. To be fair, I'd have to label some of the other stories about nuclear craters and irradiated cities as speculative.

On the other hand, I personally would enjoy the consternation that would result among materialists/evolutionists, if it could be proven that this technology did in fact previously exist. It would be very difficult to fit that knowledge into the current paradigm, wouldn't it?

As for believer's such a confirmation could only bolster our confidence that when we say to materialists that "there are things in Heaven and earth that are not dreamed of in your philosophy", that that is proving truer every day.(Perhaps ancient weapons capability was why some were living in caves in the first place--with mobile art on the walls as technically proficient as the best art of the Renaissance).

My take is then is that there are some interesting things to consider, and that we should just take a look at it and form a conclusion. It may well be that we will reject all of the "evidence" or merely some of it. It's certainly worth a couple of minutes of our no doubt valuable time to give a look.

The "evidence" will largely fit in four categories. 1)Descriptions in what are thought to be the oldest written texts by man still in existence. 2)Discovery of archeological sites which demonstrate characteristics, including high levels of radiation, consistent with an atomic explosion and)3)physical evidence (changes in the sand) similar to those found at the site of current day atomic explosions.4)Bingo! Evidence of depleted uranium with plutonium products!



Yes, I can C&P like a retard from retarded sites that anyone with an ounce of sense can disprove too. At least mine are kind of interesting.


man you would love that dark tower novels:D

[DeadJonas190]

Yes, I can C&P like a retard from retarded sites that anyone with an ounce of sense can disprove too. At least mine are kind of interesting.

LOL I love that reply.


Don't hold your breath. It seems that we should just ignore him...

Okay, that's fine by me... I just don't like the idea of others getting warned for ribbing the guy. It's wrong, and it's not like what things used to be. Oh well...

I don't like the idea of people getting warned for that either. Like I said before, the best thing for us to do is to ignore him and he will probably go away.

[capncnut]

and still this spam-bot has an account... sounds fishy... maybe it is a "special" member

You know something Doom. That's the best conspiracy theory I've heard since joining! :D


i think that dooms post deserves some kind of response

I agree Kort.


I just don't like the idea of others getting warned for ribbing the guy.

The sad thing is, a REAL fan of GAR's work will get a warning over this guy.

[deadpunk]

meh...I'm sure Andy has his reasons for allowing this fool to stick around. Neil is also religious with ISP checks and etc due to all the multiple accounts folks open to skirt the fiction section regs. If he were just a bot, he'd be gone.

He does open some interesting threads, though...LOL.

My warning bar is constantly at Defcon 5, so far be it from me to tell anyone to ignore this chump, but if you don't want the warnings, I guess you had better do just that. The only thing being insulted is your intelligence... if you can't handle that, maybe it deserves to be. :)

[Cody]

dude what if this is bong?