Student tazered 5 times for not leaving the library, with video!

[LoSTBoY]

If you don't enjoy some guy screaming in pain then don't watch it.

W3CdNgoC0cE

Here are a couple news stories to explain what happened:

Here (http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html) and here (http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html) and from the UCLA student paper. (http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960)

It's getting a big response from the sites I've seen it posted on.

In my opinion, the cops used the tazer way too much. A tazer should only be used if the cop is in any danger, the student was a weed and they could have frog marched him out without any use of the tazer. I would have accepted a quick electric shock and then dragging him out, but to shout at him to stand up while his body has been immobilised is idiotic.

[_liam_]

disgusting. i can't believe how many times they used it on him!
unless he had weapon those guys should be joining the unemployment line, and possibly facing assault charges, in the near future.

would be grateful for any updates on this.

god bless youtube & digital technology, this would all be denied otherwise.

[Danny]

jesus christ on a trike, but i aint surprised people who become cops were ethier bullyied at school and want payback or the stand in front of a mirror with a gun giving the speech from tazi driver explaining why there king of the universe:rolleyes:

[Cykotic]

Sick F/ucking bastards... there was no need to taser the guy!!

[MinionZombie]

That is completely and utterly sickening. I can't believe this has actually happened, it's a total, complete and utter abuse of power. FIVE times?! ONE was too many. How the hell is someone who has been tazered supposed to be capable of standing - tazing is to incapacitate, hence - NOT STANDING UP. What a bunch of f*cking morons those campus cops are.

I hope those campus cops get fired and disciplined for an exceptional abuse of power and in front of a myriad of students, security cameras and camera phones too - what friggin' idiots. It's dickheads like those campus cops that give Americans in general a bad name.

And did I hear right, but right at the end one of them says to someone rightly and justly confronting them 'get back or get tazed', did I hear that?!

Geezus that is disgusting. Like I said, I hope those responsible are severely dealt with, even an untrained chimp could see that is a horribly sadistic abuse of power. If I was the victim, I'd be on a media campaign to sort that sh*t out, get me some compensation and have justice served.

Read the article and it's still an extremely sadistic use of force. Just because he's foreign, doesn't make him a terrorist. All because he forgot his card? Geezus, how many students have forgotten their library card before? I know I have on a couple of occasions, and sometimes you really need to go to the library to get a book or use a computer or whatever. To be tazered when you haven't been allowed to explain your situation is ridiculous - what is also absolutely disgusting is that he was tazered while he was HANDCUFFED.

This is one of those situations where I'd actually support the guy choosing to sue, because that situation was completely horrific. Also interesting that the guy who was told 'get back or you'll get tazed' was only (and justly) asking for a badge number. To tazer someone for such a justified request is actually against the law - you would have thought even chimp-brained campus cops such as that guy would have known where he stood within the law, geeeeeez.

[bassman]

First of all.....buddy needs to learn how to HOLD A F*CKING CAMERA STEADY!

Second....were those real cops? The few good looks that I got at them, they looked more like rent-a-cops.

Third....Some of the students should have got together a fair-sized group and taken the cops down and then ran for it.:p

[_liam_]

yeah, i know it's easy to say this and harder to do it, but at the college i used to go to (bridgwater, excellent facilities but particularly scummy), if someone treated a student like that and they weren't a real cop, they'd be happy slapped to the point where they'd take their next doughnut through a tube.

[Eyebiter]

A few observations:

It was after 11pm at the University library. Apparently random ID checks are done by security to make sure only students are in the library after hours.

Had the kid simply shown his student ID to the campus security, this incident would not have happened.

Things were already underway when the video starts. By the time the camera focuses in the young man is already yelling at the campus security officers. Apparently he is on the floor and refuses to identify himself or stand up.

Had the kid simply stood up at this point and let the officers escort him from the building, this incident would not have happened.

When he refused to stand up and leave the library, at that point the student was wrong. Sounds like the kid was trying to push the issue with campus police citing the Patriot Act and all the rest. He got smart so the cop pulled out a stun gun.

After the first shock the student could have complied with the officers directions. Instead he started screaming and becoming abusive. Failing to respond he got another zap.

At this point things get murky. The kid is yelling and screaming on the floor, while the campus police tell him to get up. It's unclear the duration the stun gun was used on the student. A brief shock is enough to drop anyone to the ground. Extended use will cause a temporary paralysis effect for a short time that you can't walk.

I think had the kid shut up the cops wouldn't have kept stunning him.

Then things get ugly with the crowd. The officers are trying to deal with the screaming kid while the group of students gets hostile. Surprised one or more of the bystanders didn't get pepper sprayed.

The university is in deep over this one. Bet that kid is getting calls from all kinds of attorneys willing to take his case. If the school is smart they will try to settle this out of court with a large cash award and a confidentiality agreement. But the use of force question remains...

This is why it's a good idea to have campus police officers also certified as city police. They have both the training to deal with these kinds of incidents and the legal authority to arrest the student when failed to leave the building.

[dmbfanintn]

I think had the kid shut up the cops wouldn't have kept stunning him.


Perhaps,

BUT, since when is running your mouth a crime punishable by 5 shots from the tazer?

Freedom of speech in this country is Bullocks when you got power hungery rent-a-cops like that around.

I am sorry if this sounds combative, but your post makes it sound like you are taking up for the the rent-a-cops and trying to blame this on the kids actions. He wasn't wrong for screaming and yelling (Especially since he was just tazed) and he damn sure wasn't breaking the law!

[Eyebiter]

Was campus security using a stun gun on the student five times excessive? Absolutely. As mentioned above I'm guessing the kid's parents will file a lawsuit and win a substantial monetary award.

But I still think the library patron was in the wrong.

1. His decision NOT to show a university student ID while in the campus library AFTER 11pm is what instigated the incident.
2. His decision NOT to allow the campus security officers to physically escort him from the building escalated the incident.
3. Becoming abusive and screaming is not the best way to respond to campus security or the police.

Having worked in a library, my perspective is different. When a problem patron starts yelling and screaming inside a branch there is literally no telling what will happen. Could tell some great horror stories about how wild people act in libraries, having seen the cops drag people outside on more than one occasion.

I understand the student's civil liberties concerns being asked to "show me your papers." To be honest I don't like the Patriot Act or any of the other post 9/11 legislation either. But that is the reality of the world in which we live.

But I still say had the kid just shown the campus security guy his student ID this whole thing would not have happened.

[LoSTBoY]

Apparently, it was 2 library security that asked him to leave and when he didn't comply the cops were called and 2 officers came.

Also, one of the cops did say he would tazer one of the students, because the student asked for his badge number.

EDIT: Another update. (http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38987) Apparently it was the 'university police' who did the tazing.

[coma]

First he's not foreign. Second I'm sure he's tired of getting singled out. I have been abused by cops and you know when they are being bigots.
They were torturung the man and it was obvious.
The reason why people don't riot on cops becase they are armed, tyrannical and ruthless. In the UK you can fight the cops because they wont fill you full of lead.

I dont care if he should've shown his ID. The cops couldve carried him out, but they chose to torture him with electric shock and didnt give a damn how many witnesses because theire procedure will be made to fit after the fact.

I find defending this behavior revolting. You should not comply with fascists. It is the duty of a true American to resist oppression. Some will always find excuses to justify Police actions of any variety which leads this behavior to continue in perpetuity.

I am disgusted by this incident, another in a long line of Abuse by Govt. Thugs.:mad: :mad: :mad:

If you people outside of America wonder why we dont stand up to the tyrants more, THIS is why. Stand up to get beat down.:(

[dmbfanintn]

Was campus security using a stun gun on the student five times excessive? Absolutely. As mentioned above I'm guessing the kid's parents will file a lawsuit and win a substantial monetary award.

But I still think the library patron was in the wrong.

1. His decision NOT to show a university student ID while in the campus library AFTER 11pm is what instigated the incident.
2. His decision NOT to allow the campus security officers to physically escort him from the building escalated the incident.
3. Becoming abusive and screaming is not the best way to respond to campus security.

Having worked in a library, my perspective is different. When a problem patron starts yelling and screaming inside a branch there is literally no telling what will happen. Could tell some great horror stories about how wild people act in libraries, having seen the cops drag people outside on more than one occasion.

I understand the student's civil liberties concerns being asked to "show me your papers." To be honest I don't like the Patriot Act or any of the other post 9/11 legislation either. But that is the reality of the world in which we live.

But I still say had the kid just shown the campus security guy his student ID this whole thing would not have happened.


From what I read, he didn't have his ID on him and told the officers that (I know when I was in college, I forgot my ID all the time, not too uncommon)

Also, When they asked him to leave (read the report) he WAS complying and WAS leaving the library until the "officer" decided to put his hands on the kid. It says the kid jerked away from the "officer" and said "get off me!" and that's when it got outta hand.

Po po ain't got no right to put thier hands on you of you are complying. I absolutely sure this kid knew where the door was and didn't need this asssholes hands on him!

Why do the cops think they have to put thier hamds on you when they tell you to go somewhere, even when your going, they still wanna put thier damn hands on you.

This is a clear case of Ethnic profiling! These assshole cops were getting off on thier power trip, I hope every damn on of them loses thier job!

[Eyebiter]

You should not comply with fascists. It is the duty of a true American to resist oppression. Some will always find excuses to justify Police actions of any variety which leads this behavior to continue in perpetuity.

NOT showing your BruinCard (the official campus identification for UCLA, and is required for all students, faculty, and staff) is a fight against fascism?


http://www.bruincard.ucla.edu/default.shtml

[strayrider]

Fascist? I think real fascists would have shot the little prick to make an example of him.

He brought this on himself.

-stray-

[dmbfanintn]

Fascist? I think real fascists would have shot the little prick to make an example of him.

He brought this on himself.

-stray-

That's right, Comply with the man, or get your ass shot!!

AND if you are shot, it is, of course, all your own fault.

Obviously the crime of not showing an ID card holds the "reasonable" punishment of getting shot or tazered.

Have you folks forgotten where you live????

You would think folks around here had the misconception that they were living in a free country or something.

What the hell is wrong with them?

[bassman]

That's right, Comply with the man, or get your ass shot!!

AND if you are shot, it is, of course, all your own fault.

Obviously the crime of not showing an ID card holds the "reasonable" punishment of getting shot or tazered.

Have you folks forgotten where you live????

You would think folks around here had the misconception that they were living in a free country or something.

What the hell is wrong with them?

:lol:

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

[coma]

That's right, Comply with the man, or get your ass shot!!

AND if you are shot, it is, of course, all your own fault.

Obviously the crime of not showing an ID card holds the "reasonable" punishment of getting shot or tazered.

Have you folks forgotten where you live????

You would think folks around here had the misconception that they were living in a free country or something.

What the hell is wrong with them?

I guess it's fascist Lite, the choice of the new generation of powere mad sadistic dickheads.

At the end of the tape the cops says to a man protesting the torture
"you step back or youre going to get tasered too".

I dont give a crap if he had ab ID card or not, they were torturing him.
Everbody loves cops until somehow they end up on the wrong end of their terrorism then suddenly they change their mind about how things go down

I dont forget where I live
The Land of the Free when its convienient

And its true about them always grabbing at you.
Funny how blocking a punch to the face is resisting.
Stop Resisting means stop blocking so I can smash in your godamn face unimpeded.

They feel up your balls then slap you and yell at you for blanching. How do I hide a weapon in my sack? Its just a tool to humiliate and break your will.

[bassman]

At the end of the tape the cops says to a man protesting the torture
"you step back or youre going to get tasered too".



Actually....I think that guy was asking for his badge number and the cop said that to him.

[Purge]

The kid's words--in between screams, of course--speak volumes. Typical Patriot Act-esque bullsh*t. 2008 can't come soon enough. :mad:

[capncnut]

Some of the students should have got together a fair-sized group and taken the cops down and then ran for it.:p

Totally agree. When the cop used it on him the third time I don't think I would have been physically able to stand aside and do nothing. Cop or no cop, I would have punched his lights out! :mad:

[MikePizzoff]

Totally agree. When the cop used it on him the third time I don't think I would have been physically able to stand aside and do nothing. Cop or no cop, I would have punched his lights out! :mad:

I agree. I would have been taken down, too, had I been there. I would not stand back and allow that to happen. I don't know how those kids held back the urge to at least shove any of the cops.

This video infuriates and sickens me.

[radiokill]

yeah, cops are a**holes......I know from experience. I told them my medical history involved depression and next thing you know I was naked for 24 hours. However, the stupid dumb son of a b**** should have left when librarian asked him to. He saw the opportunity to scream and cry like a big wet p*ssy and took it. "Watch me stand up for some cause because I'm at the university and people will dig it" Bring your ID to school, retard. It's the rules. I'd be pissed off if some dumbsh*t wouldn't leave the libary when he was asked. I don't feel sorry for him.

BUT

The cops did use excessive force. No taser required. If the guy didn't want to be touched, tough titty. He should have left when librarian asked. After he started pitchin' a fit they should've just twisted his ear and drug him out of there like a five year old. I hate a lot of cops, but you've got to play by the rules.

[dmbfanintn]

:lol:

How's that for a slice of fried gold?

;) ;)

[Terran]

Actually....I think that guy was asking for his badge number and the cop said that to him.

Those were other students asking for the badge numbers in video as far as I can tell.
From some other sources (TV + some other online articals that I read...I can try looking from them but I didnt think it was that important to prove cause it just relates somewhat to what I thought I heard in the video)
Some student or students claim that after making repeated demands to the officers for their badge numbers that they were threatened with being Tazed...something in like in the vein of "Give us your Badge Number!" "What?! you wanna get Tazed too!"....
:eek: but who knows if its true...the point is I thought that the background voices of "Give me your badge number" I thought I heard it from onlooking students...cause it didnt sound like the guys voice getting tazed....


But anyway that was just addressed to bassman But more to the point!...

Everybody ...Everybody
Calm down...

The video captures next to nothing.

It doesnt capture any of the events leading up to the tazing. Even in the earliest audio.

Now while Rodney King's video did not capture the events leading up to his attack either, there was at least a clear view of consistent and excessive force. And the force's application was clearly not intended for aiding in an arrest (Taking turns beating him while dozens of police waited and watched).

This video on the other hand there is no clear view of the actions taking place. You hear screaming and you see authoritarian acting police. Given the view though you have no indication of the alarm of the police or the situation of the victim.

So given this situation the video can really only be used in conjuncture with faculty/Staff, students, victim, and police testimony....
We on the other hand are left to argue about hypothetical situations....

The following and similiar statements that you all have been making are all hypothetical and depend entirely on how one interpretted the video and its related reports:

"He deserved it because he wouldnt comply with direction"
"This is the current climate we live in so obey or suffer the consquences"
"The cops did use excessive force. No taser required."
"He should have let them remove him and this wouldnt happen"
"[Any statement of opinion on what the victim should have done earlier in the incidence]"
"[Any arguement or statement about the police actions as it relates to their use of force]"

So basically everyone here is talking about nothing because depending on your interpretation one is seeing an entirely different thing....

If you guys want to argue about this intelligently and have it go in any meaniful direction do one or two things...
Pick a "fact" that is nearly undeniable and supported in both video and in articles...
Or pick a near "fact" and state your interpretation of it and then your viewpoint....


If people dont do this the topic cant really amount to anything and the thread wont go anywhere because people will just be talking in circles.... The thread will just be a dozen or so variations of the exact same post just stating different meaningless things
"I think this and I cant believe we [blank] because this [blank] is always [blanking] in this damn country" etc...

So all that being said Ill throw my two cents in according to the criteria I set forth...Im picking a "Fact" and a "near fact" and stating my interpretation/opinion of it....

Okay everything Im about to say remains valid even if supplied with unforeseen circumstances not represented in the clip and surrounding stories...So it doesnt matter about the stuff that we didnt see before the event and the things we didnt see in the video... It also is independent on ones views on political enviroment demands on enforcement and compliance...
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Okay so "facts":

There was [B]at least three officers during the incident. (I counted 4 during the incident but there may have been more).

The Officers decision was to use force to deal with the then suspect

The student was Tazered 5 times.

The Officers had handcuffs (seen as the victim is carried off).

______________________________
My opinion/standpoint (Essentially with the given "facts" that I stated this is the conclusion I have come to)

As soon as officers decide to use the non lethal force of a tazer they are committing themselves to making an arrest independant as to wether he would actually be charged with any crime or injuncture. Partially because either at the station or by paramedics he would have to checked up on to see if the tazing caused or exacerbated any unseen physical condition.

So based on their decision of non lethal force their goal is to apprehend/arrest the suspect.

A tazer is designed to incapacitate a suspect for arrest or for subduing a dangerous person prior to transfer to the station for questioning...

So the proper procedure was not used

After the first tazing the 3-4 officers should have then have immediately subdued the suspect in handcuffs. Piling on the suspect following the procedures we all have seen hundreds of times on cops and in movies...where they wrestle them on their back and pin the arms behind the back and cuff him ... Then drag him out under his own will or by using the position of the handcuffs to force him out needing only two officers ... Arguably the officers could have done the subduing without the tazer but that is neither here nor there.
Any escalation from the point of the initial tazing and subduing I will only address if someone brings it up hypothetically....

What the officers did instead though after the intial taze was use the tazer as a threat to the suspect/victim if he failed to comply with immediate directions.
The usage of a tazer is to incapacitate a dangerous suspect so that he can be subdued. They did not try to subdue him even with superior numbers and an intial taze with the suspect on the ground...

So in conclusion I feel that the police responce is totally inappropriate and perhaps criminal given their misuse of the tazer. Its likely the victim will accept a plea and confidentiality agreement that is almost sure to follow.


And thats it....no side issues of political agenda or hypothetical origins fueling the incident... just a simplification of the most reliable events....


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[strayrider]

Very profound, Terran, and very true.

I think the misconception here is that the fuzz used their Tazer in the stun mode, which would mean that he was down and helpless after they zapped him. From what I've read in the various articles they had the device set to "drive" which administers a painful jolt, but doesn't incapacitate.

A good shot to the butt should have send him running home to mommy (and really, he needed his mommy there to dry his widdle tears).

Maybe in the future Mr. Alphabet (whatever his name is) will respect the authority he voluntarily placed himself under (the school and its rules and officials) and behave himself.

The fuzzies can learn from this too. If they're going to be labeled Fascists and called other nasty swears, skip the Tazer and go straight to the nightsticks.

:elol:

-stray-

ps -- as a side note: I think I'll get me one of those Tazers to keep my kids in line when they get mouthy. Either that or fit them with those electric dog training collars.

:-D

-s-

[_liam_]

wow...tough guy.

so if your kid came home, having pissed himself, left with a permanent racketing heartbeat from multiple taser jabs and a bad case of agoraphobia & fear of police, and when you asked him what happened he said "i forgot my library card" you'd be cool with that?

i agree the kid was being a dork, and deserved a clip round the earhole, but that kind of brutality is just over the top! you cannot just put someone through that much pain for such a MINOR infraction of...college library rules...its not like he was in the pentagon without an ID card.

how far is too far by your standards?

i daresay if he was a white girl they wouldnt have been so heavy handed - and if you agree with that then it renders any argument in their favour redundant.

[dmbfanintn]

A good shot to the butt should have send him running home to mommy (and really, he needed his mommy there to dry his widdle tears).



OOOO tough guy there. I would like to see you take 5 FIVE shots from the tazer and then just stand there like mr tough guy. You would be crying your "widdle" tears too!

It reall easy to make that proclamation over a message board.

[LoSTBoY]

Some more updates:

A statement (http://www.blakeross.com/2006/11/17/on-the-ucla-tasering/#more-246) from one of the students.

And it looks like they have a Lawyer. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/171106Taser.htm)

[Danny]

i cant believe some people here believe shooting volts, no matter how many into another person for being an ass is justified in any way.:stunned:

[Terran]

and I said something like “I just want your badge numbers” and he told me again to back up right now and that if I didn’t move back I would be tased too. I didn’t move and looked at him directly, at which point he raised his taser gun and pointed it at me (I saw the red light glow right in the center of it) and said “try me”.

Man she would have been so cool if she had replied to "try me"....with ...."I dare you"....or ...."Then shoot! Id like to be this lawsuit too!"...or ..."You want to make the news that badly huh?"...

I dunno that would have been way cooler....and if he actually tazed her, damn, the students would start going berserk....

[coma]

I think the misconception here is that the fuzz used their Tazer in the stun mode, which would mean that he was down and helpless after they zapped him. From what I've read in the various articles they had the device set to "drive" which administers a painful jolt, but doesn't incapacitate.

A good shot to the butt should have send him running home to mommy (and really, he needed his mommy there to dry his widdle tears).

Maybe in the future Mr. Alphabet (whatever his name is) will respect the authority he voluntarily placed himself under (the school and its rules and officials) and behave himself.

The fuzzies can learn from this too. If they're going to be labeled Fascists and called other nasty swears, skip the Tazer and go straight to the nightsticks.

:elol:

ps -- as a side note: I think I'll get me one of those Tazers to keep my kids in line when they get mouthy. Either that or fit them with those electric dog training collars.
:-D
-s-
Very Impressive. I will continue to label them accurately as fascist brownshirts and they can shove their batons up their own asses.

He placed himself ina school to learn, not to be subjected to heavy handed "authority". You have no choice and do not agree to a "social contract" with Police.

Strange how you think abusing you own children is supposed to be funny to anyone but you.

Tazers have killed numerous people. So it is NOT "safe".

[Terran]

that nitwit should have had the crap kicked out of him...

i guess college doesn't teach kids to use their brains...

cocky little prick...

Iguess you didnt read anything I said earlier in the thread
*yawn*

[MikePizzoff]

i daresay if he was a white girl they wouldnt have been so heavy handed - and if you agree with that then it renders any argument in their favour redundant.

Took the words out of my mouth, brother. I was saying the same thing to my co-workers yesterday.

[Purge]

no i didn't, i pretty much just skip your posts

Let me guess--you're a Bush supporter, right? Most civil liberty-haters are.

[Terran]

no i didn't, i pretty much just skip your posts

Oh ok...I was just trying to ascertain wether you were purposely trying to act like like a complete nut or not...

Fair enough :|

[HLS]

That was way too extreme. i mean if your tazored you will be weak in the knees I suspect and will need to recooperate a moment to walk out. Plus i think the reason he did not get up when he said he was leaving was from the first tazer, I mean if your in a state of shock it is going to take you a while.
They should set up the computer to need to input your id in the system to get you online. The libraries here you need to put in the numbers off your card into a field to get into a pc. if they had something like that in place maybe they will not need police. I never heard of police checking a library. it is retarded.
I mean, he did not commit a crime all the kid did was to forget his student id. Tazing was way too extreme.

[Khardis]

He got what he deserved. If they werent strict with this security crap people would be crying foul that the school isnt secure enough and would start crying about the Univeristy of Texas and the observation Tower. Or Columbine or any myriad other school massacres.

This moron thought he would make a political stand (HERES YOUR PATRIOT ACT!!). Had he just shown his student ID or left when they asked him to, he wouldnt have gotten this. Had he just shut the hell up and got up and let them escort him out after the 1st tazering he wouldnt have gotten more. No, instead he dropped to the floor and started making a political tirade and the cops started tazering him more.

I think the cops could have handled this MUCH better, any cop would tell you, its better to hit someone hard 1 time than to hit them soft 5 times. Meaning, if the cops came in, tossed this punk on the floor and hogtied him and carried him out then this wouldnt be an issue. But theyre so worried about using "force" that they rely too much on thier "soft" force thier tazers. And thats exactly what a tazer is, soft force.


That was way too extreme. i mean if your tazored you will be weak in the knees I suspect and will need to recooperate a moment to walk out. Plus i think the reason he did not get up when he said he was leaving was from the first tazer, I mean if your in a state of shock it is going to take you a while.
They should set up the computer to need to input your id in the system to get you online. The libraries here you need to put in the numbers off your card into a field to get into a pc. if they had something like that in place maybe they will not need police. I never heard of police checking a library. it is retarded.
I mean, he did not commit a crime all the kid did was to forget his student id. Tazing was way too extreme.

Every cop is tazered before they are issued a tazer gun for use in the field. Once you let your finger off the taze trigger and the electric current stops your body goes back to normal. You will be in the midst of an adrenelene rush maybe, but you are well able to walk. This guy was trying to be obstinate on purpose and got what he required.


The kid's words--in between screams, of course--speak volumes. Typical Patriot Act-esque bullsh*t. 2008 can't come soon enough. :mad:

Yeah, and what he was saying was the reason why he "couldnt" get up. He refused to because he was making some kind of demented stand. Not because he couldnt. I guess he showed them, how DARE they try to secure the school library after hours!


Let me guess--you're a Bush supporter, right? Most civil liberty-haters are.

An absurd comment.




i daresay if he was a white girl they wouldnt have been so heavy handed - and if you agree with that then it renders any argument in their favour redundant.

Why would they have to be as tough with any girl? People dont put rape phones up on college campuses because theyre afraid women are on the prowl to rape men.

[strayrider]

Very Impressive. I will continue to label them accurately as fascist brownshirts and they can shove their batons up their own asses.

Until you really, really need them for something. ;)


He placed himself ina school to learn, not to be subjected to heavy handed "authority". You have no choice and do not agree to a "social contract" with Police.

He HAD a choice. All he had to do was leave, at once, when he was asked to. The Fascist Brownshirts would have never been called. Make sense?


Strange how you think abusing you own children is supposed to be funny to anyone but you.

That's not abuse, son, that's discipline. :lol:

And if you took that comment as anything but "tongue-in-cheek" you definately need to mellow out before you blow a head gasket.


OOOO tough guy there. I would like to see you take 5 FIVE shots from the tazer and then just stand there like mr tough guy. You would be crying your "widdle" tears too!

It reall easy to make that proclamation over a message board.

No, I'd probably start yelling: "Gosh darn, mutherfroggin' sumBEEotch! That hurt!" FIVE times in rapid succession.

However, I'm neither arrogant enough, or stupid enough, to place myself in that situation to begin with -- unlike our Mr. Abbadabba XYZ.

In fact, the one time I was confronted by the Fascists (in the parking lot of a convience store, they mistook my liscense plate number for that of a wanted felon, female Fascist no less, go figure) I cooperated with them until they figured out their mistake. I mean, what kind of idiot starts screaming stupidity at five people wearing identical uniforms who are armed and doing what they're paid to do?

In my case, I knew there was a mistake, so I stayed frosty until the problem was solved.

In Dumbo's case -- well, it made for a good laugh.

:D

-stray-

ps -- http://patterico.com/index.php?s=yagman&submit=Search

A little more on Alph and his attorney.

[Maitreya]

Ok Khardis.... There's no way to put this to you that you'll ever change your mind, because quite frankly you seem to be QUITE hardheaded and ignorant of the ACTUAL STORY and other people's points



This moron thought he would make a political stand (HERES YOUR PATRIOT ACT!!). Had he just shown his student ID or left when they asked him to, he wouldnt have gotten this. Had he just shut the hell up and got up and let them escort him out after the 1st tazering he wouldnt have gotten more. No, instead he dropped to the floor and started making a political tirade and the cops started tazering him more.

Ok... He was leaving when they asked him to, you realize this? He was leaving OF HIS OWN ****ING ACCORD and one of the high-and-mighty rent-a-cops decided to touch him. It's a fact that some people don't like being touched when they're complying.


Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin.

One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, which the student objected to.

As a second officer approached, he repeatedly yelled "get off of me," the newspaper reported.

It was then that one of the officers shot Tabatabainejad with a taser gun, dropping him to the floor as he cried out, according to the newspaper.

That's from this link by the way: http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html


I think the cops could have handled this MUCH better

I can't lie to you Khardis... That's probably the first intelligent thing I've seen you say


any cop would tell you, its better to hit someone hard 1 time than to hit them soft 5 times. Meaning, if the cops came in, tossed this punk on the floor and hogtied him and carried him out then this wouldnt be an issue. But theyre so worried about using "force" that they rely too much on thier "soft" force thier tazers. And thats exactly what a tazer is, soft force.

No. It's better to let him get up and leave of his own accord like he was doing. They ****ed themselves over by deciding to be idiots with their power.

Oh, I also notice that you failed to address the other students asking the cops for their badge numbers and threatening to be tazed, hmm?

What, can you not think of some brilliant conservative spin to somehow call the students wrong for doing something completely legal? I guess you'd better pop on the O'Reilley Factor and get to learning!

And I'm not going to bother responding to any of your retorts, because it's going to be the same Reich-wing spin bull**** I've been seeing from you all day long.

[strayrider]

Maitreya, not meaning to butt in between you and Khardis, but lets take a closer look at the story and how it has changed over the past couple of days.


Ok Khardis.... There's no way to put this to you that you'll ever change your mind, because quite frankly you seem to be QUITE hardheaded and ignorant of the ACTUAL STORY and other people's points
Ok... He was leaving when they asked him to, you realize this? He was leaving OF HIS OWN ****ING ACCORD and one of the high-and-mighty rent-a-cops decided to touch him. It's a fact that some people don't like being touched when they're complying.



Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin.

One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, which the student objected to.

As a second officer approached, he repeatedly yelled "get off of me," the newspaper reported.

It was then that one of the officers shot Tabatabainejad with a taser gun, dropping him to the floor as he cried out, according to the newspaper.



That's from this link by the way: http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html

The story has changed.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ucla17nov17,1,1813095.story?coll=la-headlines-california


"The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling."

So, Alphabet, of his own free will, sat down on the floor to protest an officer touching him. He was not tazered and fell to the floor as many assume. The officers used the tazer in "stun drive" mode to get him moving again, which he refused to do.

BTW: if this fellow did not want to be touched by campus police, he had ample time to leave before they arrived. Touching a suspect is SOP for any law enforcement agency, if he didn't like it ... tough kaka.

On further review my personal opinion on the subject has changed. The UCLA campus police did mishandle this situation. I had a chance to speak to a friend of mine's brother who is a police officer. What the officers should have done at the moment he sat down was to yank him back to his feet, cuff him, and march (or drag) his snotty, nasty little arse out of the building. Quick, simple and to the point.

Now, CAIR, the Islamic, pro-terrorist, "civil rights" organization has gotten involved.

CAIR (http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=41572&theType=NB)

anti-CAIR (http://www.anti-cair-net.org/)

What a cluster fuak.

:eek:

-stray-

[_liam_]

Why would they have to be as tough with any girl? People dont put rape phones up on college campuses because theyre afraid women are on the prowl to rape men.

er, so youre saying i have no point there, because any woman would be too weak to do anything but fall to her knees and defer to the will of pseudo-law enforcement?
:rolleyes:

[Khardis]

er, so youre saying i have no point there, because any woman would be too weak to do anything but fall to her knees and defer to the will of pseudo-law enforcement?
:rolleyes:

No, I am saying you have no point because

1. women tend not to make scenes like this.
2. women are weaker physically and as such can on averaged be subdued more easily.
3. on average women are smaller than men and a woman could have easily been scooped up and carried out by 2 cops.

Your statement was absurd to begin with. More sillyness. Yes this had everything to do with the guys race/sex and NOTHING to do with him not showing his ID after 11, even after dozens of school massacres have taught us to be more careful. Yeah thats what it was.. a race thing. get real.

[dmbfanintn]

I love how all of you 20 something year olds around here are suddenyl the resident experts on stun guns or tazers.

All of you keep popping off on how the tazer was set to stun drive mode.

Uh, OK, and???

Have any of you ever been hit with a tazer set to drive?

The only difference is that on drive mode, it generates the electricity from two electrodes on the end of the device, you have to make contact with the person and pull the trigger, Regular mode shoots two electrodes connected to wires out of the stun gun and you can hit the person from a distance.

I have been popped with a tazer in drive mode, it isn't pleasant. On top of that, you CAN NOT stand up immediately after getting hit with one.

In addition, I called one of my Sherrif's Deputy buddys the other night and he told me that the SOP of stun guns is that you would use on only to the extent to get the suspect under control and ensure he is not a danger to anyone.

I showed him the video and he was just sick! He said he or his fellow officers would have been suspended immediately and would probably have been dismissed.

[Khardis]

I love how all of you 20 something year olds around here are suddenyl the resident experts on stun guns or tazers.

All of you keep popping off on how the tazer was set to stun drive mode.

Uh, OK, and???

Have any of you ever been hit with a tazer set to drive?

The only difference is that on drive mode, it generates the electricity from two electrodes on the end of the device, you have to make contact with the person and pull the trigger, Regular mode shoots two electrodes connected to wires out of the stun gun and you can hit the person from a distance.

I have been popped with a tazer in drive mode, it isn't pleasant. On top of that, you CAN NOT stand up immediately after getting hit with one.

In addition, I called one of my Sherrif's Deputy buddys the other night and he told me that the SOP of stun guns is that you would use on only to the extent to get the suspect under control and ensure he is not a danger to anyone.

I showed him the video and he was just sick! He said he or his fellow officers would have been suspended immediately and would probably have been dismissed.

I own several tazers and numerous guns. I dont think I am an expert, but I have been tazed before by a friend when we were screwing around and seeing who could take it longest. It wasnt nearly as bad as people make it out.

I did just get a new Chinese SKS from a friend, this thing is nuts. I cant believe how easy it is to clean and take apart and reassemble then fire.

[bassman]

I have been popped with a tazer in drive mode, it isn't pleasant. On top of that, you CAN NOT stand up immediately after getting hit with one.



I haven't been into this whole argument going on in here because quite honestly, I'm tired of hearing about it EVERYWHERE this past week. But anyway, I just wanted to chime in and say that my brother is a cop here in Atlanta and I asked him to give me a quick shock with onea few years back(just so I could see how it felt)and......ugh....yeah, bad idea.:|

Just because they're using the tip of the gun rather than the dart things doesn't make it any less painful. Not acting like i'm an expert, here(I'm a 20-something'er:lol: ) but dmnfan is right......I've felt it and it's defintely no picnic.

[dmbfanintn]

I own several tazers and numerous guns. I dont think I am an expert, but I have been tazed before by a friend when we were screwing around and seeing who could take it longest. It wasnt nearly as bad as people make it out.

I did just get a new Chinese SKS from a friend, this thing is nuts. I cant believe how easy it is to clean and take apart and reassemble then fire.

Uh, big difference in a stun gun and an SKS wouldn't you think?

Of course we wouldn't expect the stun gun to bother YOU Khardis, I mean, it's you, THE KHARDIS!!!

Of course a measly little ol stun gun wouldn't hurt the high and mightly Khardis. But your not the normal human, now are you? We know you have special powers, just admit it!

[Khardis]

Uh, big difference in a stun gun and an SKS wouldn't you think?

Of course we wouldn't expect the stun gun to bother YOU Khardis, I mean, it's you, THE KHARDIS!!!

Of course a measly little ol stun gun wouldn't hurt the high and mightly Khardis. But your not the normal human, now are you? We know you have special powers, just admit it!

Maybe youre just a wus? THe tazer put me on my ass of course, but when they stopped it only took a couple of seconds for me to get back to normal and to get up. Thats what they do to everybody. Thier effecta arent meant to last a Looooooong time. This guy was being obstinate nothing more.

Stop trying to make this personal because you know you cant debate properly.

[dmbfanintn]

Maybe youre just a wus? THe tazer put me on my ass of course, but when they stopped it only took a couple of seconds for me to get back to normal and to get up. Thats what they do to everybody. Thier effecta arent meant to last a Looooooong time. This guy was being obstinate nothing more.

Stop trying to make this personal because you know you cant debate properly.

Yep, that must be it, I am a wus and can not debate!

:confused: :confused: Oh, the great almighty Khardis has won again!!! Why do even stay here and try to compete with his wit and knowledge?? :confused: :confused:

[MinionZombie]

How about folks in general in this thread stop bitching at each other back and forth, I'm tired out by it all. Just ignore one another if there's beef, and be done with it, as you won't get any further forward at this rate.

[capncnut]

How about folks in general in this thread stop bitching at each other back and forth, I'm tired out by it all. Just ignore one another if there's beef, and be done with it, as you won't get any further forward at this rate.

*applauds MZ* "C'mon baby, let the good times roll..." :D

[_liam_]

i dunno. i'm off this thread and all other threads that degenerate into semi-articulate, immature right wingers making more personal attacks than actual points.

the kid was a dick, but they used too much force. end of. you say they were right, but if it was your kid you'd piss your official ted nugent shorts.

gute nacht!

[Eyebiter]

Follow up : Student files lawsuit over Taser use http://dailybruin.com/news/2007/jan/18/student-files-lawsuit-over-tas/

[capncnut]

I'm not surprised in the slightest. And good luck to him.

[MinionZombie]

I'm not surprised in the slightest. And good luck to him.
Tally-ho, what-what.

Completely agree, even if he did something minorly wrong, the use of tazers was extreme, way too extreme.

[Danny]

aye ditto, that rent a cop whent over-****ing-board.

[capncnut]

I think this kid is gonna make some serious green out of this.

[Danny]

yeah damn straight, i mean you dont need to be a genius, especially when it was filmed that he's gotta be going "CHA-CHING!" right about now.

[MinionZombie]

I'd almost like to be tazered 5 times just to get some green so I can fund a lifestyle of excess and crazed filmmaking! :eek::D

[capncnut]

<lightbulb> :D