And the father of Fran's baby is....

[Philly_SWAT]

well, its Flyboy of course. Someone made a smart alex comment a few days ago about Roger being the father of Fran's baby, and then we had a chat about it in the chat room too, and they got me thinking, there are a quite a few things that could lead you to believe this is true.

In the beginning of Dawn in the newsroom, when we first see Flyboy, he goes up to Fran and tells her to meet him up on the roof. As she protests and says we cant he says "Be on the roof at 9 pm, and dont make me come looking for you". He doesnt say anything about how he loves her, and he wants to protect the woman he loves and their unborn child, he kind of threatens her with the "dont make me come looking for you" comment. What are the ramifications if he does have to go looking for her? Is he going to beat her down? Was he already pissed off because he knew of her affair with Roger, pre-outbreak? Remember, unlike Peter, the three of them knew each other prior to the start of the movie.

When Fran says "SPAM", and Roger says "did you bring a can opener?" She relies, with exasperation, "no I guess I didnt" and he says "then dont knock it, its got its own key". The tone of their voices during that conversation, was it just two people in a state about the situation they were in, or people who had a secret relationship, that had been going on long enough to the point where they made smart-ass comments to each other?

When Flyboy says "shes pregnant", he says it with no joy on his face, makes no comment about how it sucks his baby is going to be born into the world now, amidst the zombie outbreak, etc. He says it almost as if he is ashamed. When Roger hears this, he immediately says "maybe we should keep moving". Peter says "We can deal with it". Roger gets a little more animated "Maybe she need a doctor or something". Roger seemed more concerned with Fran's and the baby's well being than Flyboy did.

I dont think that Roger was the baby's father, I think Flyboy was. However, it is interesting to think how those scenes appear to suggest something else.

[EvilNed]

I really don't think those three scenes suggest anything unless you want them too. And I'm 100% positive that George A. Romero never intended it.

Flyboy was depressed. Seriously depressed. That could often account for his cold behaviour. And the part about him not expressing his love in the television studio is, to me, a rather realistic piece of dialog. Had he gone on about how much he loved her and wanted to protect his one true love then it would have been pretty hollywoodish...

I won't comment on the spamopening remark, because that's pure make-belief man.

[Mutineer]

I don't think those scenes indicate or suggest anything close to that; I think you may be trying too hard for it to mean something

Flyboy is the father

[Philly_SWAT]

I don't think those scenes indicate or suggest anything close to that; I think you may be trying too hard for it to mean something

Flyboy is the father

I disagee with your statement. I am not trying for it to mean anything. I simply thought it was interesting, hence the final line of my post:

I dont think that Roger was the baby's father, I think Flyboy was. However, it is interesting to think how those scenes appear to suggest something else.

[Mutineer]

With all due respect (and I do not mean this with any malice)


"SPAM", and Roger says "did you bring a can opener?" She relies, with exasperation, "no I guess I didnt" and he says "then dont knock it, its got its own key".

You find this interesting ?

You did not say it was merely interesting but implied that it was possible to mean something else; that's definately reading into it.

But hey; opinions are opinions. :)

[bassman]

First of all, Philly....I want to say "good post". Although I may not agree with all of what you're saying, I like your history of posts that examine the films to a deeper extent:thumbsup:.

That being said, I do think that maybe you're reading into the film too much(I know...it's just a topic catalyst. Nothing against you) and I also think you may have missed a few things....

About what Flyboy says to Fran in the news room: If he went from the angle of telling her he loves her and making it painfully obvious, it would kill the entire character development of Fran and himself throughout the whole of the film.

About the "Spam" comment: ehhh.....I can see where you're coming from, but it's just a random conversation. I mean, people tend to become sarcastic and make jokes at their fellow man, no matter what the situation may be. I feel that scene was meant to add more of a camraderie and funny friendship to the group.

Anout the "She's pregnant" comment: I feel that Peter wasn't really ashamed of the unborn child, but he was more ashamed in the sense that it was bad timing and throughout the film he's looking up to the Swat guys and wants to make a good impression. Therefore, he felt the unborn child and his love for Fran would make Peter and Roger think that it would hold him back from his duties and he might not be willing to do what was necessary to survive and keep the group entact as a whole.

Like I said, I see where you're coming from and it's a great conversation starter, but I really don't feel that Romero wanted to throw a hint out there that maybe Flyboy wasn't the father of Fran's child. If he did, there probably would have been more dialogue between Fran and Flyboy in their personal scenes that would hint to this.

[capncnut]

It's definitely Fly Boy's kid although I wouldn't rule out Franny sleeping with Roger before and Peter after. A lot of your post makes a great deal of sense Philly but I gotta say the spam statement was a bit of a long shot.

[Philly_SWAT]

but I really don't feel that Romero wanted to throw a hint out there that maybe Flyboy wasn't the father of Fran's child.
Me either. That is why the first line of my post, in a completion of the thread title "And the father of Fran's baby is...

well, its Flyboy of course.
And then the second to last sentence of my post was

I dont think that Roger was the baby's father, I think Flyboy was.

[HLS]

It cracks me up when people over analize these things for its only a movie. (I do not mean anything bad by that statement) But for the sake of arguement I do not think there was an affair between Rodger and Fran. Yes there was a lack of lovey-doveyness between Fran and Flyboy but I would say the stress of a zombie plague and trying to survive was the focus. Plus the baby was probably unplanned thus the added tension between the two and the lack of affection.

[Danny]

well, its Flyboy of course. Someone made a smart alex comment a few days ago about Roger being the father of Fran's baby.

*raises hand* that would be me.:p

[MinionZombie]

Flyboy is the daddy, simple as, nothing to suggest otherwise, unless you induce your own over-analysis upon scenes...and I wouldn't relay to my peers - in the midst of a zombie outbreak, when I'm exhausted from flying a chopper alllllll night - that my missus was having my baby with a big, booming, everything's gonna be Father Knows Best for me smile...:rockbrow:

Somehow I 100% doubt Roger was having an affair, if that was the case, Romero - the dude who wrote it - would have peppered the script with such suggestions.

Strangers make smart-arse comments to each other.

"Don't make me come looking for you" - suggests to Fran, don't f*ck around and really be there, otherwise they'll miss their opportunity to escape. It doesn't mean he does't love her - he clearly does as you see it throughout the film in several scenes, the major one being he proposes to her. In the midst of a chaotic outbreak of flesh eating zombies, I doubt you'd be thinking "oh I'd better say three words we've already said to each other, just because", you're just as likely not to say them through mental pre-occupation than you are likely to say them through fear of impending death.

*exhausted sigh*

Philly, what do you smoke? Cos you come out with the weirdest over-analyses I've ever read...:eek::shifty:

[coma]

*raises hand* that would be me.:p
You should've wrapped that bad boy and you wouldn't be having this trouble now!

[capncnut]

Philly, what do you smoke? Cos you come out with the weirdest over-analyses I've ever read...:eek::shifty:

Isn't it obvious? Homegrown super HPotD! :lol:

[Philly_SWAT]

Philly, what do you smoke? Cos you come out with the weirdest over-analyses I've ever read...:eek::shifty:
Well, I went out of my way to say that I indeed think Flyboy is the father, and said that the line was thought was started by a smart ass comment (by hellsing :) )and then chat room chat. I wasnt trying to convince anyone that Roger is the father, just throwing out the topic for conversation. I was just basing the observations from direct scenes from the movie, unlike other topics.....like "the stretch" for example.


Isn't it obvious? Homegrown super HPotd! :lol:

Hey, you guys have been holding out on me! WHo's holdin'?:D

[Mutineer]

Remember when Han Solo asks Chewy for the hydospanners in Empire ? And Chewy gives him a growl with some cold attitude ? Do you think its possible that Han and Chewy are really the lovers and not the Princess ?

:dead:

[capncnut]

Well that wouldn't surprise me. After all, Han does have a reputation for being the galaxy's most notorious rug muncher! :D

[coma]

Remember when Han Solo asks Chewy for the hydospanners in Empire ? And Chewy gives him a growl with some cold attitude ? Do you think its possible that Han and Chewy are really the lovers and not the Princess ?

:dead:
Chewie was the top and he got pissed that Han was trying to be the pitcher.:kiss:

[rawrOTD]

*raises hand* that would be me.:p

dude that was totally me
whatchuuu talkin' bout fooo'

ROGER IS THE MAN!

[coma]

dude that was totally me
whatchuuu talkin' bout fooo'

ROGER IS THE MAN!
And he sure loves his tool, uh tools.:p

[Mutineer]

Well that wouldn't surprise me. After all, Han does have a reputation for being the galaxy's most notorious rug muncher! :D


:elol: :elol: :lol:

[rawrOTD]

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Originally Posted by hellsing
"did he tap that?", 'im willing to bet yes, yes he did it fact "tap that".

i think they would have abandoned the chopper becuase they didnt know were to refuel, they may have survived for a while but beeing only one dude trying to potect a woman who was pregnant i dont think they would have mad eit myself.


though that'd be a wierd alternate ending, they hide and the bikers pass by, they live happily till the baby is born and its black, flyboy loses it and chases after peter with a gun "falling down" style
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dude its not peter's baby
its that sly roger's!


Totally tryin to steal by smart alex street cred!:lol:

you know what would be a much more likely and much crazier situation?
if it wasnt flyboy's baby
or roger's or peter's
its just some guy's baby that we never meet, maybe hes dead or he just ran off
maybe hes still alive and hanging out at the tv station

but that seems much more likely and explains Fly Boy's depression
finding out your girlfriend cheated on you and is pregnant isnt too much fun

it also seems to explain why he says he doesnt want to go looking for her in such a pissed off manner
he maybe feels obligated to help her and even loves her, despite her cheating.
but she doesnt seem to love him all that much

who knows! maybe the father is SAVINI?!?????????????????
or not
you never know
i could be wrong:p

[Danny]

and said that the line was thought was started by a smart ass comment (by hellsing :)

:thumbsup:

[Paradigm]

For the second time Philly, I have seen a well-constructed and well-thought out topic not given the attention it deserves. When presented in the way you present it, the theory seems highly plausible, and I think you shouldn't doubt yourself. The signs are there, I mean it was either poor writing from Romero - he decided he just couldn't be bothered fleshing out Stephen - or there is a multi-layered character with an ambiguous relationship with Fran. I think you could point to the scene where Fran is feeling ill, rather than welcome Stephen's support she quickly tries to make sure he leaves her; that suggests a rather strenuous bond.

[Philly_SWAT]

For the second time Philly, I have seen a well-constructed and well-thought out topic not given the attention it deserves.

Welcome to the board, Paradigm, it appears that you and I will get along just fine! :)

But I do not doubt myself, I dont think that it was either intended by Romero, or that we should actually think it is true, I simply thought it was interesting (to me at least) that one could see it that way. I try to be very precise when I make a post, especially one pertaining to Dawn, and the thing that gets it not that people disagree, but they disagree or say that I am wrong based on their own mis-interpretation of what I said, rather than what I actually said. I find that whether it be on an internet message board, or in real life, people tend to not listen (or read) as intently as they could, and things like that lead to unnecesary disagreements. I cant count the times my boss has said "didnt you say..." and I have to tell her, "no, I went out of my way to say precisely this.....". If only I could be more precise on my spelling......I attribute that to trying to type too fast.

[Marie]

I think you could point to the scene where Fran is feeling ill, rather than welcome Stephen's support she quickly tries to make sure he leaves her; that suggests a rather strenuous bond.

Maybe we're reading more into that than there is. I don't like anybody to see me puke either.

M_

[MinionZombie]

Like Fran said - "I just don't want you to see me like this" ... and like Marie said, gals don't like blokes to watch them puke ... unless they're British and are slaughtered on Smirnoff Ice then they don't give a crap about anything.

[Paradigm]

Like Fran said - "I just don't want you to see me like this" ... and like Marie said, gals don't like blokes to watch them puke ... unless they're British and are slaughtered on Smirnoff Ice then they don't give a crap about anything.



Which is most of the time :lol:


I'm a huge Lost fan, so I tend to appreciate the tiniest details. The more times you see Dawn of the Dead, the more little bites you notice, it's great like that.

[bassman]

Which is most of the time :lol:


I'm a huge Lost fan, so I tend to appreciate the tiniest details. The more times you see Dawn of the Dead, the more little bites you notice, it's great like that.

But it can also get to the point where you start to bite off more than you can chew.

[DEAD BEAT]

this thread blows philly!!!

ive found more interesting things in my shiit!:D

[Paradigm]

But it can also get to the point where you start to bite off more than you can chew.


True, and that can get very annoying in people, but I think me and Philly are just exploring ideas rather than taking anything to the extreme.

[The Alive Man]

well, its Flyboy of course. Someone made a smart alex comment a few days ago about Roger being the father of Fran's baby, and then we had a chat about it in the chat room too, and they got me thinking, there are a quite a few things that could lead you to believe this is true.

In the beginning of Dawn in the newsroom, when we first see Flyboy, he goes up to Fran and tells her to meet him up on the roof. As she protests and says we cant he says "Be on the roof at 9 pm, and dont make me come looking for you". He doesnt say anything about how he loves her, and he wants to protect the woman he loves and their unborn child, he kind of threatens her with the "dont make me come looking for you" comment. What are the ramifications if he does have to go looking for her? Is he going to beat her down? Was he already pissed off because he knew of her affair with Roger, pre-outbreak? Remember, unlike Peter, the three of them knew each other prior to the start of the movie.

When Fran says "SPAM", and Roger says "did you bring a can opener?" She relies, with exasperation, "no I guess I didnt" and he says "then dont knock it, its got its own key". The tone of their voices during that conversation, was it just two people in a state about the situation they were in, or people who had a secret relationship, that had been going on long enough to the point where they made smart-ass comments to each other?

When Flyboy says "shes pregnant", he says it with no joy on his face, makes no comment about how it sucks his baby is going to be born into the world now, amidst the zombie outbreak, etc. He says it almost as if he is ashamed. When Roger hears this, he immediately says "maybe we should keep moving". Peter says "We can deal with it". Roger gets a little more animated "Maybe she need a doctor or something". Roger seemed more concerned with Fran's and the baby's well being than Flyboy did.

I dont think that Roger was the baby's father, I think Flyboy was. However, it is interesting to think how those scenes appear to suggest something else.

Ehm...

You're reading too much into it, Philly. If it would have been the truth, then it's far-fatched.

[HLS]

Maybe The Alive Man fathered Frans child!?!?! J/K :p :p :p :confused: :rolleyes:

[capncnut]

No, he's saving all his man-milk for Simon Baker. :lol:

[coma]

Ehm...

You're reading too much into it, Philly. If it would have been the truth, then it's far-fatched.
Far fetched?
Isn't that a ...
Stretch?

Hehehehe

[Philly_SWAT]

Far fetched?
Isn't that a ...
Stretch?

Hehehehe
LOL!:lol: One of the best posts ever!!!

[Brubaker]

Maybe The Alive Man fathered Frans child!?!?! J/K :p :p :p :confused: :rolleyes:

Well it sure as hell wasn't Rhodes or his men because they were down in that bunker still waiting for "a shot at some lovin'." But given the theories on how all four universes of these movies tie in together, those guys probably had their opportunities to "plant" that kid but just failed to capitalize on them ;)

[Danny]

Ehm...

You're reading too much into it, Philly. If it would have been the truth, then it's far-fatched.

elsewere....


Woah, is it jsut me or did it just get cold in here all of a sudden?

[dracenstein]

I confess! It was ME!!!

[Chakobsa]

I confess! It was ME!!!
No, I'm Spurtacus!!:)

[dracenstein]

No, I'm Spurtacus!!:)

But I spurt first!

[coma]

But I spurt first!
I spurt in your general direction!


GLOOOOOBSH!