Grindhouse is "awesome" & "flawless"

[thxleo]

Those quotes are from Greg Nicotero in an email I received from him earlier today. April 6 cannot arrive soon enough! :)

[bassman]

Awesome....but didn't he work on the film? I mean, doesnt that mean he's going to say it's great, regardless?

I'm sure it is awesome, though. Weird thing is....I keep reading different reviews on the net and it seems to be 50/50 at this point. Some hate it and some like it. I've also seen some reviews where the person liked one film and hated the other.

Anyway....I'm psyched. I'll definitely be at the cinema on April 6. Jesus Christ! I just realized that's next week!:stunned: :D

[Danny]

mmaybe one of thems legendary and the others just ****?:D

[capncnut]

I think we all knew Grindhouse was gonna kick butt anyhoo. :cool:

[coma]

I am really dubous about the gun On Rose MacGowans leg. Kinda cheesy and very un grindhouse like. But I really dig that girl.
Other than that it looks great.
KUUUUUUURT
Back in muthafukkin action!:D

[MinionZombie]

Damn straight on Kurt ... and also - Michael Biehn - about time he got something to play with! :cool:

Can't wait to see Grindhouse!

[DjfunkmasterG]

Awesome....but didn't he work on the film? I mean, doesnt that mean he's going to say it's great, regardless?



I was just going to reply the same thing. I think I will make a decision for myself instead of taking the word of a crew member who was paid. :D Also considering this was the same man who became mad at me for giving Land of the Dead a bad review and saying to me... "I thought you were a fan, how could you slam the movie."

I can say however, I have high hopes for Grindhouse. Robert and Quentin haven't let me down yet, I don't see why they would start now.

[thxleo]

Awesome....but didn't he work on the film? I mean, doesnt that mean he's going to say it's great, regardless?



Greg had no idea I was going to put this on here. He was just saying that because of how much he enjoyed the film. It was not said in the hopes that it might get put on the internet. I did that just because of the excitement I have for the film.


I was just going to reply the same thing. I think I will make a decision for myself instead of taking the word of a crew member who was paid. :D Also considering this was the same man who became mad at me for giving Land of the Dead a bad review and saying to me... "I thought you were a fan, how could you slam the movie."



Gary, I think Greg's point on that was the fan base ripping the movie. Seeing the fans put out negative reviews did nothing to help LOTD.

[slickwilly13]

I don't know....the gun leg is kind of stupid looking for me. Maybe she'll blow herself up walking with a grenade launcher.

[bassman]

It's supposed to be cheese. Why doesn't anyone understand this?:confused:

[slickwilly13]

Yeah, but its Limburger cheese. :dead: :dead: :dead: :D

[bassman]

hrmm...okay. I think it's an awesome idea, though.

[MinionZombie]

hrmm...okay. I think it's an awesome idea, though.
Ditto ... a really nifty gimmick, and that's part of what Grindhouse movies are about, have some kind of gimmick you can slap on a poster, so you get that "oh, it's the movie with that chick with a gun for a leg" kinda knowledge out there amongst the laymen...

[coma]

Ditto ... a really nifty gimmick, and that's part of what Grindhouse movies are about, have some kind of gimmick you can slap on a poster, so you get that "oh, it's the movie with that chick with a gun for a leg" kinda knowledge out there amongst the laymen...
I am not really convinced this isnt going to be cheesy. If they shot on super 16 with a small crew and forced a budget limitation on themselves it might have more flavor
Y'know old exploitation movies were usually NOT supposed to be cheesy. People were trying to come up with gimmicks and shocks and worked with the $$$ they had. The fact they were were chock full of cheapo FX and wierd script ideas was incidental. People did what they could and ended up with those kind of movies.

When you TRY to make a grindhouse movie you usually end up with 1000 corpses.

[ngm231]

my uncle scored pre showing tickets for next wednesday. im probably going with him, its gonna kick ass

[Tullaryx]

I think people will still not get what Grindhouse is all about. I think this is partly due to kids nowadays not having seen such grindhouse films from the 70's and 80's. They're used to the polished and music video look of horror movies nowadays.

Anyone who has seen Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS knows that having an assault rifle used as a leg prostethic is pretty tame as a gimmick. This movie could turn out bad and it'll still end up bringing grindhouse back. This is a movie that cannot lose.

[DjfunkmasterG]

I think people will still not get what Grindhouse is all about. I think this is partly due to kids nowadays not having seen such grindhouse films from the 70's and 80's. They're used to the polished and music video look of horror movies nowadays.

Anyone who has seen Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS knows that having an assault rifle used as a leg prostethic is pretty tame as a gimmick. This movie could turn out bad and it'll still end up bringing grindhouse back. This is a movie that cannot lose.

I agree Tullary, no one is going to understand the concept, and to be honest dumping 40-60 million to make two Grindhouse films is not really Grindhouse cinema. However, it is Tarantino and Rodriguez... and since I am a fan they could have made a film about a talking turd and I would of plopped down $10.00 to see it. :lol:

I really am excited for Grindhouse. I have been waiting April 6th with as much pateince as my body and mind can handle. I am glad Friday is coming real quick.


Gary, I think Greg's point on that was the fan base ripping the movie. Seeing the fans put out negative reviews did nothing to help LOTD.


It maynot have helped the film, but wouldn't you agree a true fan is a fan who voices their true opinion? or has Hollywood become so vacant they would rather us lie to their faces? Lee, if anyone knows anything about me they will know I will not defend what I feel to be a sub par film just because I am a fan of the filmmaker. Hey, I like Zack Snyder and I wasn't scared to rip 300 a new ass on imdb.com. No one is immune. If Greg would understand that then maybe he wouldn't be so shallow as to be angry with a TRUE fan voicing his TRUE and Honest opinion of the film. it seems I wasn't the only one who disliked the film either.

Anyway, as far as Grindhouse goes... Like I already said it is Tarantino and Rodriguez so i should like it, but I have my reservations about it. I hope it is everything I think it will be. I have read the Death Proof script and I loved it. So come Friday/Sat I will post my thoughts.

[Tullaryx]

Click on the first video. It'll need for you to verify your age but once you do and yer of age then enjoy the festivities.

Eli Roth's faux trailer of Thanksgiving (http://media.movies.ign.com/media/749/749962/vids_1.html)

[DjfunkmasterG]

They used music from Creepshow in the trailer... NICE! :D


Well so far Eli Roth's trailer looks very Grindhouse style. have to see the rest of them now.

[coma]

I think people will still not get what Grindhouse is all about. I think this is partly due to kids nowadays not having seen such grindhouse films from the 70's and 80's. They're used to the polished and music video look of horror movies nowadays.

Anyone who has seen Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS knows that having an assault rifle used as a leg prostethic is pretty tame as a gimmick. This movie could turn out bad and it'll still end up bringing grindhouse back. This is a movie that cannot lose.
I also agree. Not to mention its not a cheapo movie made by hungry filmmakers. I think those 2 are too high on themselves and too hollywood nowadays.
IIsa ruled. What a weirdo movie. I saw the whole series. Its a guilty pleasure of mine. I think that leg gun thing looks really stupid. I dont have the same affection for Rodriguez as a lot of others.
And I thought Kill Bill was self indulgent, self referential, totally self conscious and boring as hell

[Tullaryx]

I think that leg gun thing looks really stupid.

I think that's the point of what constitutes a grindhouse flick.



Well so far Eli Roth's trailer looks very Grindhouse style. have to see the rest of them now.

Actually at the very end of the clip you can see brief scenes from Rob Zombie's and Edgar Wright's trailers.

[coma]

I think that's the point of what constitutes a grindhouse flick.
.
I meant self conscious and stupid rather than quirky wierd and off kilter.
Combat Shock. Thats a real good grindhouse film.

[thxleo]

It maynot have helped the film, but wouldn't you agree a true fan is a fan who voices their true opinion? or has Hollywood become so vacant they would rather us lie to their faces? Lee, if anyone knows anything about me they will know I will not defend what I feel to be a sub par film just because I am a fan of the filmmaker. Hey, I like Zack Snyder and I wasn't scared to rip 300 a new ass on imdb.com. No one is immune. If Greg would understand that then maybe he wouldn't be so shallow as to be angry with a TRUE fan voicing his TRUE and Honest opinion of the film. it seems I wasn't the only one who disliked the film either.

Anyway, as far as Grindhouse goes... Like I already said it is Tarantino and Rodriguez so i should like it, but I have my reservations about it. I hope it is everything I think it will be. I have read the Death Proof script and I loved it. So come Friday/Sat I will post my thoughts.

I think you are missing my point. Basically if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. It's not like you are David Ansen of Newsweek or Roger Ebert, but when fans of Romero rip the movie, I think you can understand that does not help the film. Just because you can do something, does not mean you should. A little tact you know? I think Greg was basically saying to you, hey I helped you get in the movie and you repay me by giving the movie a ****ty review on the internet? He cared if that movie was a success. I don't know if you know that, but he really cared alot. But that is ancient history now.

[DjfunkmasterG]

I think you are missing my point. Basically if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. It's not like you are David Ansen of Newsweek or Roger Ebert, but when fans of Romero rip the movie, I think you can understand that does not help the film. Just because you can do something, does not mean you should. A little tact you know? I think Greg was basically saying to you, hey I helped you get in the movie and you repay me by giving the movie a ****ty review on the internet? He cared if that movie was a success. I don't know if you know that, but he really cared alot. But that is ancient history now.


As I can understand you side of things... I am sorry but I do not agree with you. If Resident Evil 3 sucks everyone will bad mouth it no problem. So the same has to go for LAND. You're right I am not Ebert, but having seen the movie 2 days prior to opening, and feeling it was subpar even for George I felt it was right for me to write a review of the film... a honest review. If everyone lived by your philosphy of "If you don't have something nice to say..." A lot of crap movies would never get reviewed. However, Land was a success so Greg should be happy. I of course expected him to care if it was a success. he blew off Spielbergs WOTW's to do LAND of the DEAD. Everyone wanted Land to be great no one will deny that, but you ask most people to not slam a movie that was awful and they are going to laugh at you.

Onto other subjects... You manage a theater right? Are you guys running Grindhouse?

[thxleo]

... You manage a theater right? Are you guys running Grindhouse?

Yes, we are going to run it. We will only have three showtimes though, due to the very long running time. I was talking with Tom Savini about making an appearance, but it looks like it will not happen. He has plans to go to a haunted attraction seminar opening weekend and then will be at Chiller the next weekend. But who knows, maybe we can do something during the week.
I'm going to give away a couple of original one sheets opening weekend to some fans. So if any fans are in the Pittsburgh area, by all means stop in. I can't wait to preview the film either Wednesday or Thursday night. It's already gotten solid reviews by Variety and Fangoria. I think it will deliver the goods.

[DjfunkmasterG]

They are doing a preview screening in DC Tomorrow Night for exhibitors... I wa sinvited but with having the surgery I have to wait. No biggie though, I am looking forward to checking it out Friday night.

[DjfunkmasterG]

The Blu-Ray for Grindhouse comes out on a 2 disc set October 5th 2010 for those of you wanting to grab it up. Amazon has it for pre-order.

[LouCipherr]

The Blu-Ray for Grindhouse comes out on a 2 disc set October 5th 2010 for those of you wanting to grab it up. Amazon has it for pre-order.

Someone explain to me why anyone would want a high def version of this movie? So they can see the "film flaws" and the hairs and burn marks on the film in HD?! :lol: Or perhaps extra film grain in HD is something I shouldn't be missing? :D

It would be only for the extra content (MZ!!! i'm looking at you! :lol:). ;)

[bassman]

It's easy to explain, Lou. This is the first time the entire film has been released on any home format. And it's only being released on BR. AND....new special features.

As I said in the BR thread, this will be a day one purchase for me. :cool:


BTW....looking back on this thread is hilarious...

[MinionZombie]

Actually it's also coming to 2-disc DVD, but the BR has the new extra content as an exclusive.

And I'll be getting this, but will no doubt have to wait for a Region B release.

[LouCipherr]

Well, in that case, it would be worth buying for the disc with the <ahem> extra content.. :lol:

I don't understand why this is even a BR release though. DVD I can understand, but it makes no sense having Grindhouse, a movie purposely made to look like shit, put into a high definition format.

Meh, another way to get a few extra bucks out of us I suppose. It'll work though.. Buggers. :lol:

[MinionZombie]

Hence my annoyance ... being enslaved by my love of making of documentaries (proper ones at least, not trumped-up EPKs) has forced me into the world of Blu-Ray, but well, there we are I suppose.

Speaking of which I had the time today to watch the extra content (SD) on The Warriors Blu-Ray disc. I'm not sure if the changes go beyond the comic book transitions, but if not, then it's not a huge deal. Being a fan of the original - which is the only way I've seen it - I prefer that version, naturally, but the transitions don't make me want to tear my head off either ... but I've not re-watched the movie yet in this Dir Cut form yet either.

But yeah, then I went onto The Curious Case of Benjamin Button - the extra content I wanted on DVD, but which was only on the R1 DVD (which was too expensive to import) - and I'm loving it. Hardcore making of stuff right there, baby.

I want to get my mits on The Crazies, Kick Ass and Cop Out soon - in addition to Grindhouse - on Blu-Ray.

[LouCipherr]

Speaking of which I had the time today to watch the extra content (SD) on The Warriors Blu-Ray disc. I'm not sure if the changes go beyond the comic book transitions, but if not, then it's not a huge deal. Being a fan of the original - which is the only way I've seen it - I prefer that version, naturally, but the transitions don't make me want to tear my head off either ... but I've not re-watched the movie yet in this Dir Cut form yet either.

Well, you let me know when you watch it, becuase that is the one and only thing making me not want to buy the HD version (either on HD-DVD, which I can still get for $3.99 or on BR). I hope it doesn't mess with the "flow" of the original.

[darth los]

The first and only times I saw it was in high def so I have nothing to compare it to but even with purposely trying to make it look retro it looks great to me.

:cool:

[bassman]

Had a chance to go through the Blu Ray. The new special features are pretty good. Strangely there's nothing on the making of the Machete trailer. Even with the grain special effects added to the film, you can see a difference between the SD and HD discs. Of course the last portion of Death Proof doesn't have any grain, so it looks fantastic.

[MinionZombie]

I've always wondered why there's a distinct lack of grain in the 2nd half of Death Proof ... my theory is that in 'the world of Death Proof' it was in fact two Stuntman Mike films that some theatre owner cut together and re-titled as "Death Proof" to make some extra cash (the 'original name' seen in Death Proof is, iirc "Thunderbolt").

It comes out in the UK later on this month, so I'll have my copy soon.

[bassman]

I've always wondered why there's a distinct lack of grain in the 2nd half of Death Proof ... my theory is that in 'the world of Death Proof' it was in fact two Stuntman Mike films that some theatre owner cut together and re-titled as "Death Proof" to make some extra cash (the 'original name' seen in Death Proof is, iirc "Thunderbolt").


That's correct. I can't recal where I saw it, but Tarantino said it was meant to be two films cut into one.

[MinionZombie]

That's correct. I can't recal where I saw it, but Tarantino said it was meant to be two films cut into one.

Fuckin' knew it! :)

I've never seen him say that about Death Proof specifically, but I do recall sometime in 2007 with all the press stuff they were doing, QT saying about how some theatre owners were known to take two movies and recut them together to make a 'new' movie to make some extra cash. Looking at Death Proof the first time and I suspected that angle, and then thinking about it afterwards I was convinced that's what it was all about. I really enjoy that aspect of Death Proof too ... although I would have liked a bit more grain in the second half.

[axlish]

I've heard Tarantino say (can't remember where) that is was different reels of the same film, compiled together. For instance, in the extended cut, the black and white section is "an entire reel from a back and white print". He has several combined prints similar to this in his collection.

[MinionZombie]

I've heard Tarantino say (can't remember where) that is was different reels of the same film, compiled together. For instance, in the extended cut, the black and white section is "an entire reel from a back and white print". He has several combined prints similar to this in his collection.

But that really only applies to that one scene - which is after the mid-way point and into the 'second Stuntman Mike movie' if you will. So I think it's both really. The thing about two reels compiled together is definitely true, as you say, but it does only apply to that one sequence, and considering the split nature of the movie and the re-titling at the beginning, I also strongly think it's suppose to be some kind of 'theatre owner's cut' of two Stuntman Mike movies put together.

...

I happened upon a live chat with Robert Rodriguez last night actually. I could have asked him there, but the questions were coming so thick and fast they were all getting buried (and repeated, over and over) all the time, so I just sat and watched him respond to the questions instead. Kinda cool actually, although he was sleepy/hung-over so he wasn't firing on all cylinders and there were some technical issues that meant it was 30 minutes late in starting ... still though, cool to see him live on my computer screen talking about this and that.

[bassman]

That's strange. It's been a while since I've seen the extended cut, but I don't even remember it going into black and white. All I remember is that hideous fucking chud of a "woman" trying to give a lap dance. Looks more like a dying animal flapping around the floor and onto Russell's lap...

[MinionZombie]

The black and white bit happens during the convenience store sequence where the girls faff about in the Mustang and inside the store (before they pick up Zoe at the airport), and Stuntman Mike parks beside them and does the whole 'drop my keys, play with Rosario's feet' - during that sequence (which occurs after the midway hospital thing between Parks and "Son Number One".

Vanessa Ferlito is a unique looking chick, but I'm surprised whenever someone calls her a "hideous fucking chud" or likewise. Kinda surprises me ... I thought the lap dance was kinda sexy. ;) Although the lap dance isn't even in the theatrical cut as far as I know. And I think another scene is missing (the coffee shop, perhaps) ... I'd have to look it up specifically, but it'll be interesting to finally see the theatrical cut (okay, I saw it once on a really rubbish CAM jobby). Having seen the extended cuts several times each I should be able to spot the cut out footage quite easily, so it'll make for an interesting viewing methinks. :)

One week today and it comes out in the UK. :)

[axlish]

What is the basis of this "two different films" theory?

[bassman]

What is the basis of this "two different films" theory?

I believe MZ is getting this idea from the alternate title at the start "Thunderbolt", and the fact that the film totally looses all it's grain in the second half. So basically it's two stuntman mike films only cut into one and given the new name of "Death Proof. The first set of girls is one film, while the second group was another.

And as I mentioned before, I doubt I could find the article now, but I remember Tarantino saying that it was intended to be a theater-owned, spliced-together film. Of course the combined prints idea works, as well. Could be either, I suppose. We're probably just reading too much into a mindless slasher film. :p

As for the black and white section....now I remember. The gas station sequence. Although that's in both version, I believe. It wasn't cut back in for the extended cut. At least I think it was in the Grindhouse cut I watched the other day. Hell, I dunno. It's all bleeding together. :lol:

[MinionZombie]

Yeah the "two Mike films" theory has plenty to back it up - the 'two groups of chicks' thing that totally splits the movie right down the middle (it's essentially the same movie twice over, but with different sexual politics in each) - the complete stone-cold difference in the 'print qualities' of both halves - the re-naming of the film from Thunderbolt to Death Proof - and think about it, many grindhouse movies would be about 65 minutes long so Death Proof is much too long (certainly in its extended cut), so if it was just the two halves as separate Stuntman Mike movies then they'd each be about 65 minutes each (i.e. the fictional 'theatre owner' would have cut out a lot of the extra stuff anyway ... but QT hasn't gone so far overboard with this whole theory as to not make it a QT movie ... i.e. with lots of the chitty-chat and not a great deal of action in those 110 minutes ... but then again, some of these grindhouse movies would be very talky with barely any action until the finale ... sure they would spread the action more evenly throughout the movie, rather than have one big ruck at the climax of each half like QT did, but even still - a lot of bad acting and bad dialogue would fill the running time before all the cool shit from the trailer would happen). I could come up with more, but I'd have to see it again ... which I will be doing soon anyway when I get my copy of the theatrical cut BR.

The 'combined prints' thing really only comes into play in that single scene though where it skips to black and white. That's the only scene which does that, so the entire movie can't hang on the 'combined prints' thing for it to be one single Stuntman Mike movie. Indeed this could be used just as much in the other, much more robust (I think), theory I've put forward above (and as Bassman has been doing). Whilst assembling his own cut, the fictional theatre owner could have come across a missing chunk of a print and would have only been able to find a black and white bit to fill in the scene.

[axlish]

MZ, with all due respect, I think you are clinging to very little here. The first two reels are scratchy, from a beat up print. The third reel is from a black and white print, and the final two reels are from a pristine print. I doubt anyone has ever combined 5 reels from 5 different prints. At least a couple of reels would stick together over the years, if not 3 or 4.

As for the Thunderbolt title, it was merely changed for alternate advertising. It is not uncommon for films from the 1970s to go through title changes for better publicity (Black Christmas/Silent Night, Evil Night for instance). To propose that the title change suggests a combination of two different films is a reach that I don't think Shaq could grab ahold of.

Again, the multi-sourced print was from Q.T.'s mouth. It isn't speculation on my part.

Bassman, the black and white sequence was not in the Grindhouse cut.

[MinionZombie]

I know, I was saying that the 'combined prints' thing wasn't a part of my theory regarding a 'two Mike movies combined' ... it could be used in conjunction with the other, much stronger, arguments whilst you were at it, but it's certainly not what the theory hangs upon.

There is only one portion of black and white in the whole movie, and that's the scene with the girls hanging out at the Mustang by the convenience store, I wasn't saying it was speculation about taking a chunk from another print to fill a missing gap in a different print - I know about that bit already, QT has talked about it frequently.

What he has talked about in the past, but for some reason hasn't mentioned/been asked about over the years, is the 'two Mike movies' angle. I distinctly remember seeing QT say about the 'theatre owner's cut' angle, but it was so long ago that I don't know where it was (I would have thought he'd go on to mention that repeatedly, yet strangely he hasn't).

Two sets of girls, two entirely different qualities of prints from one set of girls compared to the other, two entirely different sets of sexual politics from one half to the other. The title change could be either a retitling for advertising purposes (I know that many of these films had multiple titles, such as Last House on the Left, as they searched for the winning title and advertising style that clicked with audiences), or it could just as equally be to rename the movie for a theatre owner's cut - the 'two Mike movies' theory.

I'm not saying that 100% my theory is correct, but that's how I've always seen Death Proof and I feel there's plenty to back up the theory.