Another school shooting..

[Cody]

VA Tech was shot up today 33 dead. including gun man. worst school shooting in american history.

wtf? sick $hit.

[Bongholio]

Easy permit to carry would have lessened if not avoided this.

[Danny]

yet another reason why i dont like the common man getting his hands on guns.

wholl get the blame this time? "goff music" or "gore-thriller video games"?

c'mon people, place your bets:rolleyes:

[DVW5150]

Almost 8 years to the day of Columbine 4/20/99 ...the previus most killed by a psycho-full-metal-jacketed : George Hennard , drove his p/u truck into Lubys' Diner in Kileen Texas , shot dead (co-workers) 12 them himself , 1991 .
No indescretionary action taken by myself or meant by the title .
I just know that this gonna be a, "guns is fer fun and weapons is fer killen " or " Kileen "... yarn now .
A fired projectile thats that hot , moving soo(960 mph)fast , is gonna freak yer sheeeiite up..
No questions .
I am very disheartened by these events , finding a 'goodness and peace in this life', difficult at best .
This discussion will turn guns versus regulation , I say 'melt the guns'...
Copy cat theories and such ...

[MissJacksonCA]

I can understand why the police felt that the first shooting was a domestic issue and that it could've been an isolated incident but similarly domestic situations are the most dangerous because they're the most unpredictable. Here in the past two months more than five police officers have been shot and/or killed on domestic calls.

This is an obvious tragedy and begs for some kind of reform for the manner in which students and faculty are warned about possible dangeous situations. A simple email to students is not a sufficient means of warning to a possible outbreak of gunfire on your campus. Perhaps they could institute a phone tree for each residence hall and for off-campus students and set up road blocks around the campus to warn people or maybe (although costly) set up a PA system over campus that would alert everyone to danger. Additionally I can't see how the school felt the safest place to be was in your dorm room and away from the windows. Essentially you could be a fish in a barrel, no?

Whenever something bad happens the last place I can be found is indoors it freaks me out not being able to examine the full scope of my surroundings. I tend to feel the safest place is outdoors as long as its not a tornado or hurricane happening.

A concern for schools at any level across our country should now be what happens if there's a copycat shooting since usually when there's one shooting another one is bound to occur a brief time shortly thereafter.

[Terran]

Reform....?....heheh .....It cant protect people from the crazies.....

Parents and Media are going to be crying out for blood..... for someone or something to be responsible....for something to change to make people feel more safe....


The best part was when CNN/FOX NEWS reporters where asking swat team ‘experts’ “when are we going to start checking students like how we did after 9/11 in airports so we can prevent such strategies”…..I would have laughed harder at that moment if it werent so tragically horribly ignorant

I live in VA….and this is going to be a cluster **** from the get go…….

[Neil]

Reform....?....heheh .....It cant protect people from the crazies.....

Yes and no...

Unfortunately 'the gun' is so instilled in american society now it seems there is no way to get rid of it, or even just reduce/control it, especially when almost any attempt to control ownership is met with such an outcry - even though the majority of americans seem in favour of the tightening of gun ownership etc.

The only thing I can imagine would work would be to slowy increase legislation/control on ownership over half a century to gradually change the 'gun culture'... and make it gradually harder and harder to at least buy guns without proper ID etc. And also buy multiple weapons etc.

[MinionZombie]

Parents and Media are going to be crying out for blood..... for someone or something to be responsible....

How about the psychopath who did the shooting and then shot himself?

Nah, that'd be too easy wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

Guaranteed Jack Thompson and the like get all hot and bothered about it and try and connect it to a videogame, GTA? Halo? HL2? Doom? *sigh*

Such a terrible tragedy...:(

[Neil]

How about the psychopath who did the shooting and then shot himself?

Nah, that'd be too easy wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

Guaranteed Jack Thompson and the like get all hot and bothered about it and try and connect it to a videogame, GTA? Halo? HL2? Doom? *sigh*

Such a terrible tragedy...:(

There was actually someone being interviewed on the BBC last night suggesting that all school kids should be wearing arms to prevent this :eek:

Can you imagine the weekly carnage that would take place!

[Philly_SWAT]

"Freedom comes with a price", dont you think? For Americans to enjoy the right to keep and bear arms, the price we pay in that on rare occasions, some people are going to abuse that right and kill a bunch of innocent people. If our government acted with our best interests in mind, and always acted above board, I would give more thought to some type of gun control in order to protect innocent citizens. But with our government not acting in our best interests, and totally lying to us an the world whenever it suits the needs of a select group of ruling elite, and the checks and balances neithe check nor balance anything, I do not want the citizens of this country to not have full access to guns. This may be the only thing that keeps our King...er.... President from ordering all out martial law and oppressing all citizrns.

I have to wonder, if the UK citizens had a bunch of guns, would the government been as quick to cede over the soverinty of your money and adopt the Euro? That alone seemed one big step towards a one-government world, one in which most of the citizens of the world will become oppressed.

[Danny]

uhh dude, we didnt take the euro. its still pounds over here.

i think psyche evalutions should be mandatory for anyone buying a gun, i call it the "dont sell guns to nutjobs" system.

[Neil]

I have to wonder, if the UK citizens had a bunch of guns, would the government been as quick to cede over the soverinty of your money and adopt the Euro? That alone seemed one big step towards a one-government world, one in which most of the citizens of the world will become oppressed.

I'll happily take my wage packet in Euro's if it means I don't arm wacko's :)

Joking aside, I think 30 million guns in our country wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to that matter, except to make MPs even more remote from the public for fear of getting shot by psychos.

We and the US - as has been discussed to death many times before - have completely different attitudes to gun ownership. And I think we just have to leave the matter there :)

ps: Do you feel oppressed because you have one government for your entire country, rather than your state, or town, or road, or house?

[thxleo]

There is something positive that can come out of this. After Columbine, Rosie O'donnell claimed she became very depressed and had to go thru treatment, even hanging upside down every day. Perhaps this event will finish her off for good? One can only hope.

[_liam_]

lol someone from a country that has the patriot act and runs camp x ray saying a single currency (which we dont actually have) is a step closer to oppression.

oh the irony.

[Whistler]

Easy permit to carry would have lessened if not avoided this.

I like the idea of having accessible deadbolts on the classroom door so that a professor or student can lock out an intruder. ;)


yet another reason why i dont like the common man getting his hands on guns...

I don't like the idea of a common soccer mom getting her hands on a cell phone and a minivan. I've been almost hit, killed, or run off the road by one more than a few times. Thank goodness I've never been shot at. :mad:


Yes and no...

Unfortunately 'the gun' is so instilled in american society now it seems there is no way to get rid of it, or even just reduce/control it, especially when almost any attempt to control ownership is met with such an outcry - even though the majority of americans seem in favour of the tightening of gun ownership etc.

The only thing I can imagine would work would be to slowy increase legislation/control on ownership over half a century to gradually change the 'gun culture'... and make it gradually harder and harder to at least buy guns without proper ID etc. And also buy multiple weapons etc.

If the majority of Americans favor further restrictions of firearm ownership then there can't be much of an outcry against it.

There's plenty of firearm (local, state, & federal) legislation on the books. Increasing legislation only creates more confusion, paperwork, and headaches without actually improving anything. :eek:

A person cannot legally purchase a firearm without a Driver's License or a State I.D.

That law never did make sense. In California a person is only allowed to purchase one handgun every 30 days.

I'd rather see a crazy bad guy carrying a dozen guns and a little bit of ammunition than one gun and whole lot of ammo. "Darnit which magazine goes into which gun?!! Argh!!! These bullets don't go with these guns. (I've seen that happen :lol: )


"Freedom comes with a price", dont you think? For Americans to enjoy the right to keep and bear arms, the price we pay in that on rare occasions, some people are going to abuse that right and kill a bunch of innocent people. If our government acted with our best interests in mind, and always acted above board, I would give more thought to some type of gun control in order to protect innocent citizens. But with our government not acting in our best interests, and totally lying to us an the world whenever it suits the needs of a select group of ruling elite, and the checks and balances neithe check nor balance anything, I do not want the citizens of this country to not have full access to guns. This may be the only thing that keeps our King...er.... President from ordering all out martial law and oppressing all citizrns...

The President's not out to get us and noone is out to oppress anyone. I think all our parents, grandparents, or forefathers left that behind when they immigrated into the US. :cool:


...i think psyche evalutions should be mandatory for anyone buying a gun, i call it the "dont sell guns to nutjobs" system.

But what about those who go crazy sometime down the road after initally passing an evaluation and obtaining a firearm?


I'll happily take my wage packet in Euro's if it means I don't arm wacko's :)

Joking aside, I think 30 million guns in our country wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to that matter, except to make MPs even more remote from the public for fear of getting shot by psychos.

We and the US - as has been discussed to death many times before - have completely different attitudes to gun ownership. And I think we just have to leave the matter there :)

ps: Do you feel oppressed because you have one government for your entire country, rather than your state, or town, or road, or house?

That's a surprise. The first thing all the British, Japanese, Chinese, Dutch, Canadian, Mexican, Australian, Taiwanese, Korean, Russian, etc... tourists like to do is come to our range and have fun. They always consistently make the remark that it's unfortunate they're unable to own firearms in they're respective countries and wish it was otherwise. So I assumed attitudes were not that much different.

I don't get it? We have the Federal gov to deal with International matters, State gov to deal with State matters, and County, City, Town gov to deal with local matters. That's a whole lot of government. :p


Besides without guns what do we shoot zombies with? The fiction section is great. Keep up the great work!

[fartpants]

guns dont kill people, wackos kill people, and it seems that America has more than its fair share

[Neil]

guns dont kill people, wackos kill people, and it seems that America has more than its fair share

I suspect if we have guns laws like the states we'd have similar events...

[Danny]

yeah "welcome to the news at ten ,this is tevor macdonald, today the time team crew finally snapped adn ,quote "busted a cap in that west country ****s ass", more on this story at eleven":lol:

[bassman]

I just can't get over the fact that this guy went on with it for more than 2 hours. Nobody even attempted to stop him for more than two friggin hours.:eek:

[fartpants]

if you heard somebody shooting the place up, and you were unarmed, would you have done anything. And where the hell were the police while this was happening:evil: :evil:

[_liam_]

guns dont kill people

but they make it a lot easier.

all it takes is a slight squeeze and bang, dead person. if you were in a rage and you tried to strangle someone to death, you might at some point come to your senses and stop. with a gun it would be too late before you reached that point.

[Whistler]

I would have done something. I'd be climbing out the second story window with everyone else.

The police were probably waiting for SWAT to show up to deal with the shooter. Two hours does seem a very long time to allow what happened to continue. I guess we'll find out once they finish their investigation.

[bassman]

if you heard somebody shooting the place up, and you were unarmed, would you have done anything.


I would've damn well tried. For instance, this student was on the news earlier and they were calling him a hero because he barricaded the door in one of the classrooms with a table. When the gunman came to that door and saw it was blocked, he shot a few rounds through the door/table. Then the "Hero" said that he clearly heard the gunman's empty clip hit the floor and a few seconds went by for the reload.

There had to have been 15+ males in that room that could've charged his South Korean ass while he was attempting to reload. That seems like a situation where it could have all been stopped.

I'm not saying I would be the moronic hero that would run straight into gunfire just so I can be on the news as a "hero". But if I saw a slight chance where I could contain the asswipe and prevent other's from being hurt, especially if I had some other men ready to help, I would.

[MinionZombie]

Ooh, I duno, terrifying situation, you'd have to make the decision, you'd have to remove the blockade, open the door and rush the person, and if the person is even remotely organised and proficient enough with guns, they'd be able to reload by then I'd have though, especially if they take a few paces back so they have enough 'room to shoot' so-to-speak.

I don't think you can really say what you'd do in that situation unless you've been in it, or are in it, then it all comes down to instincts and spur-of-the-moment moments.

Speaking of which, guess what's the main story on Channel 4 News now?

There's already people bleetering out about how it's all down to videogames (check out GamePolitics.com), but I duno about that, I read some of the comments in the nutjobs note that he left somewhere and he doesn't sound like the sort of person who'd fritter away time playing GTA.

The guy was also blatantly a nutter, they're one in a million, you can't censor society as a whole just to try and stop someone from flipping out (no matter what influences they have). Nutters are nutters, no matter what the media they consume. If you can run around a campus and shoot a load of people, then you're clearly not well adjusted to say the least.

[coma]

The guy was also blatantly a nutter, they're one in a million, you can't censor society as a whole just to try and stop someone from flipping out (no matter what influences they have). .
Those people are not actually trying to stop violence, they are only trying to censor and that is their excuse.

[bassman]

I don't think you can really say what you'd do in that situation unless you've been in it, or are in it, then it all comes down to instincts and spur-of-the-moment moments.



True, I've never been in that situation, but i'm normally a level-headed guy when it comes to life threatening situations. I've been shot at before and stayed pretty cool about it(probably what kept me alive). Not to say it wasn't frightening, but i'm generally not one of those people that go completely ape sh*t when some sh*t hits the fan.

[slickwilly13]

I would've damn well tried. For instance, this student was on the news earlier and they were calling him a hero because he barricaded the door in one of the classrooms with a table. When the gunman came to that door and saw it was blocked, he shot a few rounds through the door/table. Then the "Hero" said that he clearly heard the gunman's empty clip hit the floor and a few seconds went by for the reload.

There had to have been 15+ males in that room that could've charged his South Korean ass while he was attempting to reload. That seems like a situation where it could have all been stopped.

I'm not saying I would be the moronic hero that would run straight into gunfire just so I can be on the news as a "hero". But if I saw a slight chance where I could contain the asswipe and prevent other's from being hurt, especially if I had some other men ready to help, I would.

That's what needed to be done. A similar situation happened at a high school up north years ago. This pussy gets upset because the school found a handgun in his locker and expelled his ass. His dad finds out and threatens to take away his gun collection and his secret arsonal they weren't aware of. So, he shoots his dad in the back of the head when he wasn't looking then kills his mom after she comes home. Next day, the coward goes to school and starts shooting anyone who bullied him. He ran out of bullets and reached for another gun. When he did that about 10 + high school football players bum-rush him. And proceeded to pound the living sh!t out of him, until the police arrived. The policed pretty much saved him from them. He got a life sentence, btw.

I couldn't believe the guy was Korean. Usually, a white guy does this kind of thing.

[capncnut]

You know what? When I turned on the television and saw the news reports on CNN about yet another kid in America going off on a rampage with a gun - it didn't affect me one little bit. I thought to myself 'wait a minute, lots of innocent people just died' and then realised that the reason why I felt nothing was because I am simply not surprised by this bulls**t anymore. This type of thing occurs way too often, I'm afraid.

We can all go off about how the gun laws should be changed in America but it's a different world outside folks. Besides the situation over there is way beyond repair in that regard. It has been a part of US culture for too long now.

[Mutineer]

It is redundant for me to declare this a travesty as it leaves me speechless. Such a sad, sad, sad day.

It is no secret we (the States) need tougher gun laws. If this is not a compelling enough reason, then I'm not sure what is. The U.S. regulary has lead the league in richest nations on gun deaths.

Sad.

[Tricky]

Considering the extent of gun ownership in the US its suprising this happens as little as it does actually,and its probably a credit to the majority who are responsible owners.It doesnt make it any less awful when something like this happens though,and as i said elsewhere maybe there should be a restriction on handguns so that only rifles and shotguns can be owned as you cant exactly walk down the street with one concealed.Yes they are still as dangerous and someone determined could still do some mischief,but handguns seem to be the real danger and they are just too easy to sneak into schools etc

[bassman]

It is redundant for me to declare this a travesty as it leaves me speechless. Such a sad, sad, sad day.

It is no secret we (the States) need tougher gun laws. If this is not a compelling enough reason, then I'm not sure what is. The U.S. regulary has lead the league in richest nations on gun deaths.

Sad.


I don't think we need tougher gun laws and i'm not a "gun person", by any means. What we do need are fewer idiots. I personally don't think tougher gun laws would change a thing. I remember after Columbine, they made every person that purchased a gun wait about 3-6 months for a background check. Didn't seem to make a difference...

Besides....anyone ever heard of the second amendment? "Right to Bear Arms"?

[Mutineer]

Getting rid of the idiots is not going to happen unfortunately. They'll be forever amongst us.

Other modern nations have instilled tougher (Stricter) gun laws and have seen dramatic results in their favor. I think it naive to declare tougher mandates and regulations would not decrease the number of gun related fatalities and crimes we see each year.

The 2nd amendment, of which I support (I too am not a 'gun person'), is over 200 years old :rolleyes: :confused: . Our forefathers wrote this with the English Army in mind, not some maniac going on a murder spree and killing it's citizens.

Some tweaking may be in order, ya think ?

[bassman]

Guns will never be controlled. I wish they could, but I don't see it ever happening. All they can do to prevent this sort of thing from happening in another school is tighten up the security. Tougher laws will just make the sick f*cks and "bad guys" out there find other ways to get them. Of which, i'm sure there are many.

And if we somehow control guns, what's to say that some sicko isn't going to walk into a school with a bunch of tiny home made bombs? What about knives? What about harmful chemicals? What about a chainsaw or some other household tool(now THAT would be a sick puppy).

This sort of thing is going to happen, unfortunately. We stop one thing from happening one way and they find another thing to go the other way. It's a lose, lose situation, in my opinion.

[Bongholio]

"There's never a cop around when you need one"

grab's Smith and Wesson 76 and gas cans from backseat

[DVW5150]

You know what? When I turned on the television and saw the news reports on CNN about yet another kid in America going off on a rampage with a gun - it didn't affect me one little bit. I thought to myself 'wait a minute, lots of innocent people just died' and then realised that the reason why I felt nothing was because I am simply not surprised by this bulls**t anymore. This type of thing occurs way too often, I'm afraid.

We can all go off about how the gun laws should be changed in America but it's a different world outside folks. Besides the situation over there is way beyond repair in that regard. It has been a part of US culture for too long now.

Man said what I might ...


I would've damn well tried. For instance, this student was on the news earlier and they were calling him a hero because he barricaded the door in one of the classrooms with a table. When the gunman came to that door and saw it was blocked, he shot a few rounds through the door/table. Then the "Hero" said that he clearly heard the gunman's empty clip hit the floor and a few seconds went by for the reload.

There had to have been 15+ males in that room that could've charged his South Korean ass while he was attempting to reload. That seems like a situation where it could have all been stopped.

I'm not saying I would be the moronic hero that would run straight into gunfire just so I can be on the news as a "hero". But if I saw a slight chance where I could contain the asswipe and prevent other's from being hurt, especially if I had some other men ready to help, I would.

He may have had another weapon , ahem , I mean gun so ... yes I wouldve busted out and gotten shot trying to stop that Mutherf*kr .


"There's never a cop around when you need one"
If you want to find a donut shop , call a cop .:skull:

[Shadowofthedead]

i went on a rampage in highschool trying to kill some guy that made fun of me in agricultural class with a freakin hammer... i wouldve killed him to had it not been for the ag teacher pullin the hammer out of my hand. i did kick the little buggers face and gut in. no body has ever messed with me since then. i dont think i wouldve used a gun and gone a rampage but there had to be a reason why the dude did it... i just found about this tonight. i dont watch the news because you see crap like this on there. but i do collect guns and i am avid shooter but that doesnt make me crazy... although i do aim for the head...

[Tied2thetracks]

We need our guns because of ass piles like this. we need to ban Koreans to solve the problem.

We will alway have rouge nuts if they get guns leagally or not. This is the sick price we pay for gun rights. I don't plan on handing my weapon overbecause of crazies. It gives me more reason to keep it.

[Shadowofthedead]

GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR OUR F*ED UP WAY OF LIFE!!!! ill never give my guns away hell i just shot a round from a 357 magnum through my ceilin not 10 mintues ago... TURKEY 101 MADE ME DO IT!!!!

[Deadman_Deluxe]

We need our guns because of ass piles like this. we need to ban Koreans to solve the problem.

We will alway have rouge nuts if they get guns leagally or not. This is the sick price we pay for gun rights. I don't plan on handing my weapon overbecause of crazies. It gives me more reason to keep it.


Ban koreans from what? Owning guns or attending school?

Either way ... that is a pretty stupid statement to make if you are genuinely attempting to "solve the problem".

Furthermore, you might want to remove the elastic bands or see a doctor about your "rouge nuts" :lol:

[Tied2thetracks]

Ban koreans from what? Owning guns or attending school?

Either way ... that is a pretty stupid statement to make if you are genuinely attempting to "solve the problem".

Furthermore, you might want to remove the elastic bands or see a doctor about your "rouge nuts" :lol:

The ban Koreans was supposed to come off sarcastic. I Could see the Onion doing an article on banning koreans on campus.

[Deadman_Deluxe]

The ban Koreans was supposed to come off sarcastic. I Could see the Onion doing an article on banning koreans on campus.

Good stuff ;)

[Mutineer]

Per CNN



The killer in the massacre at Virginia Tech was taken to a mental health facility in December 2005


Might be prudent to flag the powers that be; no gun buying for like 7 years or something :confused:

Jesus, they'll flag your credit report for atleast that for not paying a $10.00 item. :dead:

[coma]

we need to ban Koreans to solve the problem.. Why? Because of One guy? If we had to do that we'd have to ban midwesterners and southerners cause they do most of the school shootings. Ban them for what? Neatly stacking produce in their grocery stores?
Is that some kind of joke or are you really that much of a bigot.

[_liam_]

probably wouldnt have happened at all if people werent such arseholes to people who arent like them.

it's not like the kids to whom everyone was really nice and got along with end up doing school shootings...

[coma]

The ban Koreans was supposed to come off sarcastic. I Could see the Onion doing an article on banning koreans on campus.
I guess thats the answer.:) You should try smileys, they are your friend:moon:


probably wouldnt have happened at all if people werent such arseholes to people who arent like them.

it's not like the kids to whom everyone was really nice and got along with end up doing school shootings...
I think in this case, the killer was the asshole. Apparently when people said hello and tried to talk to him he ignored them. Its college not High school. Its not the same at all. He was an engeneering student. He was NOT surroundd by frat boys, he was surrounded by MATH GEEKS. And we all know how judgemental they are:lol:



Jesus, they'll flag your credit report for atleast that for not paying a $10.00 item. :dead:
Shows what the priorities are. Cash rules everything around you, but your life aint worth sh*t.

[Tricky]

probably wouldnt have happened at all if people werent such arseholes to people who arent like them.

it's not like the kids to whom everyone was really nice and got along with end up doing school shootings...

Yeah but plenty of us take no end of sh!t and still dont go blowing a gasket like that!i dont get any grief these days but growing up i was sometimes bullied,scared and upset,in fact its probably where my anxiety and OCD stem from,but i still wouldnt go on a killing spree!

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, millions of people across the globe have a shiite time at school or work, and they don't go shooting up the place, it's something you sometimes have to deal with, not everybody is a nice person.

And also, if someone is a nutjob who stalks women and annoys people constantly with emails and IMs etc, then would you be all Nicey-McNice to them? Doubt it, you'd be indifferent at best or quite likely get pissed off by the nuisance person and ignore them.

The guy sounds like he was a complete nutter, dissolusioned stories laced with violence that disturbed his teachers - and these are uni lecturers, who are traditionally a liberal bunch. There's violent stories, and then there's violent stories written by psychos-in-waiting - methinks the latter is gonna be especially messed up.

[slickwilly13]

Did you hear about his imaginary girlfriend? What a loser. No wonder people laughed at and wouldn't have anything to do with him. He brought it on himself. You don't act creepy to get noticed in a positive way.

[Debbieangel]

I just heard on Fox news they arrested a boy from a school cause there was a classroom discussion about the shootings and he said he could understand why that guy did the shootings!:eek: ARRESTED??? What the HEY?? aaaaaah we live in AMERICA!!!!
That is all the news said maybe somehow the context of what the kid said was different and gave credence for them to arrest him. I dont know but, when I heard that I was like HUH?
Has anyone else heard about this?


wowwww i just noticed this is my 500th post...woot!!!:p
I may just make it to 1,000 posts in a couple years :lol:

[coma]

Did you hear about his imaginary girlfriend? What a loser. No wonder people laughed at and wouldn't have anything to do with him. He brought it on himself. You don't act creepy to get noticed in a positive way.
Indeed. I have known anti social killers in waiting that seemed to think people adversion to them was other peoples fault, but they we total wierdos. Not "Oh your smart and clever. I hate that you wierdo", I mean in the disturbed way. I went to college with a guy that I know is or going to be a serial sex killer or something. Wierd Language patterns, way too into things like swords, guns and Secret police attire like Stasi Uniforms. Freako. and scary

This is not a case of a "pushed to the edge" snapping. This is an antisocial psycho biding his time.

[Dawg]

uhh dude, we didnt take the euro. its still pounds over here.

i think psyche evalutions should be mandatory for anyone buying a gun, i call it the "dont sell guns to nutjobs" system.

Give it time.

:dead: Dawg

[MinionZombie]

Give what time? The Euro? Or psych-evals for gun-wanters?

The gun thing would be an idea, duno how they'd do it...

As for the Euro, there was something on TV yesterday about how every time Blair has tried to make the EU look good, something's come along to show the British public otherwise, and then of course there was the massive public backlash to getting shot of the good old pound ... somehow I doubt we'll turn into Europe's offshoot (even though we get all the bad from the deal it seems at the moment...:rolleyes:)

[Bongholio]

package sent off to the news ahead of time
media who*e
emo kills
just say no
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=7b2044b4-b03f-41ad-9603-cff1f1fd1868&k=44182

[Neil]

Quite a good list of some of his rants over at the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6570369.stm

Really sounds like maybe he felt shunned, maybe even bullied/victimised.

Got to love the sound of the form you have fill in when getting a gun where it's just a tick box you tick to admit if you've had any mental health problems... :) Now boy, that's a system based on trust.

[Kaos]

Really sounds like maybe he felt shunned, maybe even bullied/victimised.



Most other testimony indicates quite the opposite. There is almost every indication that his perception of being a victim was delusional.

Edit- It appears he was picked on in grade school.

[PJoseph]

My good friends at the WBC are going to attend the funerals of the victims and praise God for killing them. For those who don't know, these are the religious freaks that protest at soldier's funerals and say God has killed them. (The BBC did a fantastic documentary on them which you can view on YouTube.)

This is from their website -

"WBC will preach at the funerals of the Virginia Tech students killed on campus during a shooting rampage April 16, 2007. You describe this as monumental horror, but you know nothing of horror -- yet. Your bloody tyrant Bush says he is 'horrified' by it all. You know nothing of horror -- yet. Your true horror is coming. "They shall also gird themselves with sackloth, and horror shall cover them; and shame shall be upon all faces, and baldness upon all their heads" (Eze. 7:18).

Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. On April 16, 2007, this nation, through the offices of your military and conspirators therewith took a shot at the servants of God -- your marksman was limp and lame and he had terror all around, so he did a lousy job. But what you get for your trouble is that your God shot at you! The LORD your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children, and he didn't miss. Get this straight -- God sent this South Korean madman to kill 31 of your children at Virginia Tech. Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants."


Anywhere I turn, this country I live in is full of lunatics. Left and right - it doesn't matter anymore.

[MinionZombie]

And I sincerely hope the supporters of Virginia Tech swarm on those sick bastard nutjobs and trample them into the ground for good.

I saw the documentary, it was indeed great, really showed them to be a bunch of psychopathic weirdos who use playground 'brick wall' "cos I said so" tactics as their key modus operandi.

[Khardis]

Getting rid of the idiots is not going to happen unfortunately. They'll be forever amongst us.

Other modern nations have instilled tougher (Stricter) speech laws and have seen dramatic results in their favor. I think it naive to declare tougher mandates and regulations would not decrease the number of speech related fatalities and crimes we see each year.

The 1st amendment, of which I support (I too am not a 'speech person'), is over 200 years old :rolleyes: :confused: . Our forefathers wrote this with the English Army in mind, not some maniac going on a murder spree and killing it's citizens.

Some tweaking may be in order, ya think ?


What? you want to pick and choose your freedoms? Hey, you didnt realize the 2nd amendment protects the 1st? Oh, well now you do.


Quite a good list of some of his rants over at the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6570369.stm

Really sounds like maybe he felt shunned, maybe even bullied/victimised.

Got to love the sound of the form you have fill in when getting a gun where it's just a tick box you tick to admit if you've had any mental health problems... :) Now boy, that's a system based on trust.
You brits really loathe and fear personal responsibility dont you? I have a question, will you all be crying to your Government when the nutter islamic facists are killing you in the streets?

Your gun deaths may be low, but rapes and roberies are on the up up UP. Go England.


Yes and no...

Unfortunately 'the gun' is so instilled in american society now it seems there is no way to get rid of it, or even just reduce/control it, especially when almost any attempt to control ownership is met with such an outcry - even though the majority of americans seem in favour of the tightening of gun ownership etc.

The only thing I can imagine would work would be to slowy increase legislation/control on ownership over half a century to gradually change the 'gun culture'... and make it gradually harder and harder to at least buy guns without proper ID etc. And also buy multiple weapons etc.

Wont happen, because guns arent the problem. Your crime didnt go away when you disarmed the populace in England, in fact it went up. And the criminals who want guns still got guns over there. The common man cant defend himself anymore, thats what changed. Thats what your government wanted and you went along with. Welcome to slavery.

By the way the majority of "gun deaths" in the USA are ... ding ding ding. Suicides. Thats right we still flag suicides as homicides. The majority of whats left happen in ghettos. Scenes like the VA tech killings are actually quite rare.

[Tricky]

Aye but we dont get all the cases of normally responsible gun owning people shooting their spouse in a fit of anger over an affair and that kind of thing :)

[MinionZombie]

And the vast majority of Muslims in Britain are decent enough people, just like the rest of us. While sharing often polar opposite views on things such as homosexuality or pornography or sex before marriage (or even piggy banks apparently, at least as the white-skinned-PC-brigade would have us believe), they're still productive members of society and keep themselves to themselves and let the rest of us get on with being British, while we get on with keeping ourselves to ourselves.

The problem is the loud-mouth minority, who assume the image of majority, because they continue to shout the loudest and the most frequent with the most colourful canvas of wording ... so leave the latent racism at home Khardis, because that what it sounds like at least. :rockbrow:

Also, quit with the assumptions about British society as you've historically shown you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to UK life, if you're so bothered about Brits commenting on the most prominent country in the world then why do you comment on us with vast, sweeping statements? Pot ... kettle ... black? :sneaky:

[Dommm]

We need our guns because of ass piles like this. we need to ban Koreans to solve the problem.



mmm... what has his being Korean have to do with anything, Americas own FBI state psychopaths as being white males with High IQ's averaging around 25, And I dont beleive that is very accurate either. To suggest someone is a nutter due to race or creed or anything other then the fact they are a nutter is a foolish assumption to make. mmmm... kinda redneck comment.

[EvilNed]

Most of the time, I can at least understand what the opposition is trying to get at. But with gun nuts I just can't. It doesn't many any sense. Any of it. Guns are not about freedom, stop saying it is.

[Neil]

Guns are not about freedom, stop saying it is.Indeed! There is no such thing as (true) freedom! Freedom in reality is nothing other than compromises generally for the benefit of the majority.

[Khardis]

mmm... what has his being Korean have to do with anything, Americas own FBI state psychopaths as being white males with High IQ's averaging around 25, And I dont beleive that is very accurate either. To suggest someone is a nutter due to race or creed or anything other then the fact they are a nutter is a foolish assumption to make. mmmm... kinda redneck comment.

It was rather clear he was illistrating absurdity by being absurd. Banninf Koreans is as effective as banning guns. Niether are the problem.


Most of the time, I can at least understand what the opposition is trying to get at. But with gun nuts I just can't. It doesn't many any sense. Any of it. Guns are not about freedom, stop saying it is.

It is about Freedom, if you didnt despise freedom or America and knew a little history you might be able to see the reason why a free society is able to own guns.

Ultimatly the purpose is so that we have some defense against the government if they turn tyranical and try to take away our other rights. The founders were smart to put that it in there. Otherwise we could end up like Britain wil be in a few years, with speech codes, and thought police and all.


Indeed! There is no such thing as (true) freedom! Freedom in reality is nothing other than compromises generally for the benefit of the majority.

BS, freedom is a god given right. The country was founded on it, yours wasnt. So I can understand why its not as ingrained into your culture.

The difference between us and you is this:

Your government allows you to do things.

Our constituton allows our government to do things.
Period.

It was set up that way so that the people remained 1st and the government second and weaker. Its not so in Jolly ole England. Proof is how they are banning more and more items from your ownership, I wouldnt doubt if speech codes are next if they arent already there.

We keep and bare arms because, noone has a right to tell us we cant. NOONE. Get it yet? And while our government has been trampling our rights for some time it isnt to the point yet where it needs to be thrown off and recreated. But at least at that time we will not be completely unarmed. try that in the UK, oh thats right you wont be able to. Your government has all the weapons... you all better be good little slaves now.

[Dommm]

Freedom is not about guns, or about what you can or cannot get away with , it is an ideal; a state of mind, true UK is becoming more and more of a nanny state, but it does not make me any more free to hold a gun. People with guns make mistakes, people with guns in the house are more likly to have an accident, i.e a child getting hold of and playing with the gun. The idea that guns are linked to freedom IS BS. Freedom will and always will be a state of mind. At the end of the day if I am truly intent on holding a gun I will manage to get hold of one, just as if I am truly intent on creating some sort of weaponary I will be able to. This is my freedom and that cannot be controlled by any authority for the masses though it can be made difficult. Just as if I chose to walk out of my door at 2am, on a monday night I can do though the question is why would I want to, theres nothing to do. To me having a gun decreases freedom because if I have one so does every other guy on the street and if everyone has one then we have fear and fear is destructive to this so called freedom.

But then that is just my opinion

[EvilNed]

It is about Freedom, if you didnt despise freedom or America and knew a little history you might be able to see the reason why a free society is able to own guns.

Ultimatly the purpose is so that we have some defense against the government if they turn tyranical and try to take away our other rights. The founders were smart to put that it in there. Otherwise we could end up like Britain wil be in a few years, with speech codes, and thought police and all.

:lol:

You don't seriously believe that yourself? There's not a chance in hell that todays US citizens would use their guns for what they were originally intended for. Guns don't equal freedom. Freedom is not a god given right, and anyone who says so can go and join the Templars. Freedom is when you can live in a country and speak your mind and affect the ruling body. Guns don't come into the equation, stop trying to convince yourself that they do.

[Dommm]

mmmm.... does my freedom end when my bullets run out????

[EvilNed]

mmmm.... does my freedom end when my bullets run out????

Good point. Also, let's not forget that if Guns are for everyone, so are nuclear bombs. Yet, I bet there's alot of gun nuts around here who wouldn't want Iran or North Korea to acquire them.

[MinionZombie]

Everybody should be able to achieve freedom, but most certainly not everyone should be put next to a gun, there's countless people I'd rather not have a gun, so it's best that we're not running around with guns.

And the UK is a gun-free society, the countryside has many guns that are legally owned - I myself have been shot at by one of these legally owned shotguns by an enraged farmer, if he'd been closer I would have no doubt heard "get orf mah laaaand!!!" :sneaky:

[Mutineer]

I read this article and more or less agree 100%

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html?eref=rss_topstories (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

I still think it should be as hard to get a gun as it is to get a mortgage loan and the process should take months.

[coma]

In NYC you must have a gun permit for every type of firearm, That includes Target pistols and shotguns/rifles.if you are extremely rich or if you are a celebrity you get one, everyone slese can go screw. The form is like 100 pages long, costs 200 dollars plus and they make you wait months. Then they deny you and keep the money.
and thats for IN YOUR HOME.

15 yeasr ago there were 30,000 carry premits here, now there are 6000.
If you cant prove you carry around 100,000 dollars then you are allowed to get smoked. Gun Control isnt gun control, its control of the working class and all privelge goes to (surprise) the ruling class.

I can walk 20 blocks out of the city and get a shotgun with no permit, and possibly get a carry permit for a pistol.
If I move out of the city I am buying a gun. Then I cant post pics of it too and jizz on my collection too:lol:

BTW, You cannot be granted rights, only denied them. In America gun ownership is a right, not a privedge. If your not a nut, junkie/drunk or a felon or a domestic abuser you should be able to have a gun in your home, at least. Some Anti gun advocates say "the british arent coming, so its invalid", but the constitution doesnt say anything about that. When tyranny is mentioned, it is referring to the (especially at that time) certain likeleyhood that the gov will become tyrannical and you will have to take them down. Freedom is fragile and will be immediately revoked if the possibility is there.

[EvilNed]

In NYC

I might be mistaken, but isn't NYC also a relatively safe place? Again, I might be way off but one of my friends told me there were so many police officers in NYC that nothing big ever happened.

Guns don't have anything to do with freedom. As Dommm clearly put it "Am I still free when I run out of bullets?" Every country has it's limitations. Some countries sensibly (in my view) don't allow guns because they just cause trouble. Some countries outlaw certain films or games. The US outlaws certain ridiculous things as well. So freedom can't be measured in that way.

[coma]

I might be mistaken, but isn't NYC also a relatively safe place? Again, I might be way off but one of my friends told me there were so many police officers in NYC that nothing big ever happened.

Its safer than it used to be by a mile, But your friend is talking about Manhattan I am sure and Manhattan is only 1/5 of NYC. The city has gotten so expensive that a lot of people are driven father away from the city center so a traveler is not confronted with some of the harder realities. They dont go to Hunts point, East New York, Eastchester, South Jamaica, Fordham or Brownsville
There a a buttload of cops in Manhattan but I live 4 blocks from a precinct and thats the ONLY place I ever see those useless bastids. Some dude git drilled in the lobby of my building 3 years ago, so I guess it wasn't so safe for that guy.:(

If some random dude on the street in Manhattan starts talking to you and asks if you are from Jersey or a tourist he is looking to play you. I say "I dont play that rap, so f**k off, yo":)

NYC been getting safer since Dinkins was mayor in the early 90s so I am not sure of the reasons and noone else really is. Unfortunatly the safety has brought in a ton of Trust fund midwesterners who generally dont dig real New Yorkers (which is annoying when someone is an interloper and expects you to be like them rather than vice versa. Critisze my accent in MY town and get the Bozack!) and German toursts in tight ass nuthugging short shorts standing in the middle of the sidewalk blocking everyone about to go in the Disney Store on Forty Deuce where there used to all the Kickass grindhouses. Die Mother****er Die.:skull: Or Swiss jerkoffs telling you how "hiphop" they are but are afraid to go to the Bronx.:evil:

Excuse the generalities about German toursts , swiss B-boys and Trust fund Bible best values Midwesterners. I love y'all. really I do:D. Now go away

[Shadowofthedead]

didnt americans come from the "GREAT BRITTAIN"??? yes learn history we my ancestors had to have guns to kick the current brits' ancestors A SSES.. so go play with your metal sticks you call swords... call me when you become a man. and i thought this thread was about the school shootin get on track people. the dude was a whack job and he is gone enough said...

[Neil]

didnt americans come from the "GREAT BRITTAIN"??? yes learn history we my ancestors had to have guns to kick the current brits' ancestors A SSES.. so go play with your metal sticks you call swords... call me when you become a man. and i thought this thread was about the school shootin get on track people. the dude was a whack job and he is gone enough said...

Classic! Not sure what's worse, the spelling, the grammar or the content... I'll go away and have a think about it...

[Bongholio]

man's got to know his limitations
blows up hal holbrook

[Chic Freak]

You brits really loathe and fear personal responsibility dont you? I have a question, will you all be crying to your Government when the nutter islamic facists are killing you in the streets?

:rockbrow:

This will be when exactly?

I'm not meaning to be flippant, but that's a pretty out-there scenario.


Your crime didnt go away when you disarmed the populace in England, in fact it went up. The common man cant defend himself anymore, thats what changed. Thats what your government wanted and you went along with. Welcome to slavery.

Despite the common man being unable to shoot attackers, the UK still has one of the lowest homicide rates per 1000 people in the world. The continued ban on guns has also, so far, failed to result in a tyrannical government.


By the way the majority of "gun deaths" in the USA are ... ding ding ding. Suicides. Thats right we still flag suicides as homicides. The majority of whats left happen in ghettos.

Why does it happening in ghettos make it better/ not count so much?


Ultimatly the purpose is so that we have some defense against the government if they turn tyranical and try to take away our other rights. The founders were smart to put that it in there. Otherwise we could end up like Britain wil be in a few years, with speech codes, and thought police and all.

Again, this is a fairly fantastical hypothetical scenario. We have been without guns for a long time now, yet this has failed to happen.


The difference between us and you is this:

Your government allows you to do things.

Our constituton allows our government to do things.
Period.

We keep and bare arms because, noone has a right to tell us we cant. NOONE. Get it yet?

Of course. The concept doesn't seem too complicated. But doing something for the sake of it, just ebcause you CAN, despite the fact that it's dangerous, seems irresponsible to me. Not to mention that if all the government did was follow the same set of rules, there would be no need ofr different governments and voting. One group of people could follow the instructions and have done. Your government *does* have power over you, which is why voting is important (this is not a bad thing).


And while our government has been trampling our rights for some time it isnt to the point yet where it needs to be thrown off and recreated. But at least at that time we will not be completely unarmed. try that in the UK, oh thats right you wont be able to. Your government has all the weapons... you all better be good little slaves now.

There are other measures in place that prevent a government from becoming a tyranny. Not to mention that fact that um, we're not slaves in the UK :rolleyes: If you don't like a law, you don't vote for that party next time. Luckily we are beyond a point where guns are a necessary household item. I suspect that America is also, but of course I could be wrong!

[Terran]

When I was away at college for two semesters my roomate kept a handgun in our room....with around 8 hollow point bullets ....

I didnt really think twice about it, he was a lot less crazy than I was....

[Cody]

^^ Guns are everywhere. Go to New Orl and you have a 40% of finding atleast a hand gun laying on the side walk somewhere

[coma]

Despite the common man being unable to shoot attackers, the UK still has one of the lowest homicide rates per 1000 people in the world.

Japan has almost total gun control and they had 6 gun murders , I think it was, last year. And almost all were yakuza related.

[Whistler]

And the vast majority of Muslims in Britain are decent enough people, just like the rest of us...

The same can be said about gun-owners. Our community consists of regular everyday people who happen to be into firearms instead of cars, skydiving, coin-collecting, or zombie movies. We have doctors, lawyers, machinists, construction workers, teachers, professors, college students, mechanics, businessmen, etc... who are into the sport.

The problem is the loud-mouth minority, who assume the image of majority, because they continue to shout the loudest and the most frequent with the most colourful canvas of wording ...

And the sportshooting community is not immune from these sorts within its ranks just like any other group. It's unfortunate that those outside this sport and hobby label everyone within it as a gun-nut in a high-handed manner.

Also, quit with the assumptions about British society...

I agree.



Most of the time, I can at least understand what the opposition is trying to get at. But with gun nuts I just can't. It doesn't many any sense. Any of it. Guns are not about freedom, stop saying it is.

I agree with you Ned that just owning guns doesn't mean we're free. It's that the contract that guarantees our Liberty in the US stipulates that we have the right to own and make use of firearms if we wish, and by modifying that contract we begin to lose our freedom. If one part can be tinkered with then what's next? Freedom of speech?


Indeed! There is no such thing as (true) freedom! Freedom in reality is nothing other than compromises generally for the benefit of the majority.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how things are outside the US. The reason we have the Constitution is so "compromises" are not forced upon the minority by the majority.


Freedom is not about guns, or about what you can or cannot get away with , it is an ideal; a state of mind, true UK is becoming more and more of a nanny state, but it does not make me any more free to hold a gun.

Freedom is not about guns but our freedom includes "the right to bear arms". I'm assuming the UK is just as free as the US with the exception of gun ownership. It's probably not part of the groundwork of the Liberty guaranteed there. Different history, different culture.

People with guns make mistakes, people with guns in the house are more likly to have an accident, i.e a child getting hold of and playing with the gun.

Obviously. One is less likely to have a car accident if they're not in a car. Just like anything else in life a person needs to learn and practice being responsible and competent with anything they do so "accidents" don't happen. Life would really suck if people start doing away with things just because accidents might happen. Imagine having no fire because that first caveman thought that having it in his cave might cause a fiery accident.

The idea that guns are linked to freedom IS BS. Freedom will and always will be a state of mind. At the end of the day if I am truly intent on holding a gun I will manage to get hold of one, just as if I am truly intent on creating some sort of weaponary I will be able to. This is my freedom and that cannot be controlled by any authority for the masses though it can be made difficult. Just as if I chose to walk out of my door at 2am, on a monday night I can do though the question is why would I want to, theres nothing to do.

Nicely stated and I agree. If a criminal wishes to commit a crime no amount of laws and restrictions will stop them. It's insanity to let the actions of the criminal dictate what freedoms the honest man is allowed.

To me having a gun decreases freedom because if I have one so does every other guy on the street and if everyone has one then we have fear and fear is destructive to this so called freedom.

But then that is just my opinion

"An armed society is a polite society." Unfortunately the bad guy will always be armed.


:lol:

You don't seriously believe that yourself? There's not a chance in hell that todays US citizens would use their guns for what they were originally intended for.

Sho'nuff Brother Ned! I for one don't intend to use my guns to shoot anyone. Just imagine with all the guns out here in the hands of private citizens, the havoc it would cause if they were used as they originally were intended. Only bulls-eye shooting for me.

Guns don't equal freedom. Freedom is not a god given right, and anyone who says so can go and join the Templars. Freedom is when you can live in a country and speak your mind and affect the ruling body. Guns don't come into the equation, stop trying to convince yourself that they do.

God had nothing to do with if. If it did we wouldn't have felt the need to write up the Constitution.


Good point. Also, let's not forget that if Guns are for everyone, so are nuclear bombs. Yet, I bet there's alot of gun nuts around here who wouldn't want Iran or North Korea to acquire them.

Guns are not for everyone. The right to own firearms is provided equally to every US citizen. It is up to the individual to live up to the responsibilities that firearm ownership entails. Individuals who are too young, or have a criminal history, or are mentally unstable cannot bear those responsibilities so they will be incapable of exercising those rights.


Everybody should be able to achieve freedom, but most certainly not everyone should be put next to a gun, there's countless people I'd rather not have a gun, so it's best that we're not running around with guns.

Not everyone should. I wish most of our LEO's were like the one's in the UK. No guns for them. Or at least not until they are capable of placing every round into the same hole at 21ft. Our range looks like swiss cheese because of them. :lol:

And the UK is a gun-free society, the countryside has many guns that are legally owned - I myself have been shot at by one of these legally owned shotguns by an enraged farmer, if he'd been closer I would have no doubt heard "get orf mah laaaand!!!" :sneaky:

Why exactly were you on his land? "Stay away from my Daughtah!!" :D


Got to love the sound of the form you have fill in when getting a gun where it's just a tick box you tick to admit if you've had any mental health problems... :) Now boy, that's a system based on trust.

Not trust, just liability. It's like when my boss told me when he immigrated here as a youth. They ask "Do you use drugs?" on a form he had to fill out when he entered the country. He thought who the heck would admit to that? Now he realizes it was for reasons for liability.

These topics are always great time-killers. :lol: Now back to the fiction section. Bye-bye.