Smoking ban?

[EvilNed]

Ban smoking? Or let it go?

[MinionZombie]

Smokers are in the minority - fact.

Second hand smoke doesn't do anyone any good - fact. It's unfiltered and makes up the majority of lingering smoke in the atmosphere, so smokers are 'double' smoking if you think about it in a way...

Smokers choose to smoke, and can breathe both fresh air and smoke with ease - non-smokers cannot.

If you wanna smoke, fine, but leave it at home or in non-public places or in designated "fagging areas" as I like to call them.

Smoke, magically, seems to not take any notice of invisible lines drawn in Little Chef seating arrangements. :lol:

There should be smoking bars, and non-smoking bars I guess, or specific rooms for it, because I'm sure the vast majority of non-smokers would like to go out for an evening and enjoy a few pints down the pub or some cocktails in a club or whatever and not come back with your hair, skin and clothes reeking of fag smoke, your lungs on fire, your eyes stinging and so on.

I don't mind people being smokers, I'm currently working with a smoker, I don't complain if he lights up in his car when we're driving around, but he's courteous to open the window, so it's all good.

So yeah, I don't mind someone smoking, especially because it brings a lot of money into the system (even though it ends up draining it out again at the NHS :rolleyes:), but I'd like to be able to do normal everyday things without having to breathe someone else's smoke.

At least drinking isn't passive, you can't get drunk from sitting by some downing a few pints, but you can get fugged up and manky feeling if you're around a load of smoking smokers on a night out...

I've go no problem with weed though, there's a point to smoking that, you get high...but what's the point in smoking fags? They addict you, they have all sorts of perversely sickening chemicals thrown into them (including that stuff they put into dead people apparently!!! :eek::stunned:), and what do you get out of it ... really? After you're addicted all you're doing is feeding the addiction, which you didn't require in the first place...

At least with some weed you get high and can put it in a muffin or a brownie. :lol:

[Danny]

if its outside walking around town and the like i havent got a problem, unless you walk past "one of them" and they blow it right in your face, but inside i say ban, cus it sucks if your a non smoker and you get that rank smell stuck to your clothes so you go round smelling of it all day:barf: and thats before the adverse health effects, though smoking is way worse than drink, since its about a 90% chance that youll get cancer from cigs and only about 10 for beer.

[Cody]

wtf i had a post before hellsing...anyways it doesnt bother me

[Danny]

*twists invisible dick dastardly mustache*

mwa-hahahahaha!, ive taken your post cody adn youll never see it again hahahaha!:lol:

[Bongholio]

the end is very near
they PC GOOKS have now taken to banning
table salt for people who "Eat Out"
Now at this time if I were faced with almost the same dilemma as Snake PLissken 3 use the sword of damocles
"welcome back to the stone-age mo*o's!"
without a second thought or a moments hesitation
deactivates decoys,...you would do well to bask in the final glory of incandescent light bio*ches forthwith none for you

[Mutineer]

Yes, in public places and bars.

I smoked for 22 years and come JUNE 21st; it'll be 2 years since I've had a single drag

I quit cold turkey.

To this day, I wonder why the hell I ever smoked. I feel better, I breathe better, I have more energy, I don't smell like ASS on a STICK ... I probably spent

$ 25,000

For what ? For Cancer ? Emphysema ? Think about that; you're all chillin one day and then you spit up a lil blood; run over to see DOC GREEN and he says 'You have cancer' and then you die 20 some odd years before you should have

For what ? Because it tastes good ? Because it gives you a high ? Because it calms your nerves ?

-

I feel like a dumbass after smoking that long. I really cannot believe how easy it was to quit. Cold turkey. Suffered thourhg withdrawl for less than a week, then it was all mental ...

easy as weezy

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So yes, BAN it in public places. You really think other people want to breathe your **** in ?

[Bongholio]

"I'd smoke 2-3 of these thing's a day,....if I had the bread"
invokes spirit of old redd foxx t-shirt
maybe its just a case of
"u gotta wash dat a**" if you smell of a**
pic on t-shirt of Fred sandford in junkyard holding a hose with the previous in a caption balloon
lol

[capncnut]

I voted for the barowner option. The smoking ban don't bother me 'cos the herb is barred from everywhere anyway. :D

[zombiegirl]

Generally I really don't care if an establishment is smoke free or not. As long as it has a non smoking section I am good. Bars on the other hand are full of smokers. Smokers love to smoke while having a drink. If fact how many smokers here who normally average a pack or so a day go through a pack in one night if they go to the bar? I would think that it would be bad for business to make a bar non smoking unless you were in a major metro area.

[Bongholio]

candy is next
muahahahaha
"let them eat gene modified corn syrup"
M.A.

[capncnut]

*twists invisible dick dastardly mustache*

mwa-hahahahaha!, ive taken your post cody adn youll never see it again hahahaha!:lol:
"Ah! So it's you thats been stealing all these missing posts..." <twirls bongsaber> "...now you must pay, NOOTCH!" :elol:

[Bongholio]

cosh numpty
doh my vote is like last

[Terran]

I think Bar owners should decide....


If they lose business because they allow smokers than its their loss......some other bar that doesnt allow smokers should get the other buisness


But if they allow smokers there should probally be some sort of regulations with air flow/filtration....

[Cody]

or have..."smoking night".......every friday. thats cool.

[MinionZombie]

or have..."smoking night".......every friday. thats cool.
Of course the problem with that is all the furniture and so on in the bar will get fugged out, so it'll just stink of stale old fag smoke everytime you sit down afterwards.

As for the 'losing business' type thing, I think that's a load of bollocks, pubs are specifically for drinking and it's been shown that the smoking ban has had basically piss all affect on business because, after an initial dip, people come shambling back as they did previously because they're so desperate for a drink. :lol:

I don't get this staggered banning of it in public here in Britain though. First it was Ireland (I think) then Scotland, then Wales and England finally hops on the bandwagon this summer right? Why stagger it? It's pointless...and what's funny is that I live about 10 minutes away from the Welsh border town of Monmouth, so I could choose either right now...I duno if anyone's bothered to leave Monmouth to drink in a smokers pub or not, it'd be daft, because you'd still have to drive afterwards. :lol:

[_liam_]

bar owners should decide, or there should be the option to install cordoned off smoking areas. it's too nanny state.

if you wanna take the "it endangers other people" thing, then we should ban people with slow reaction times from driving, ban people with high blood pressure or heart problems or a high cholestorol diet from driving public transport, ban cars full stop because of exhaust fumes and road fatalities, ban all firearms because theres a chance they could kill the same as there's a chance passive smoke could kill (and you can choose to leave a smokey place, you cant choose to not be an innocent bystander), etc etc etc ad nauseum.

i used to smoke, and it is a bad habit, but i think as long as there's room for a choice to be made over whether you breath in the smoke or not, we should make allowances for smokers. it's far too easy for someone who's never smoked to say "yeah ban it, it sucks".

[EvilNed]

The state has no right to meddle in private enterprise, unless it's doing something illegal of course. But smoking isn't illegal. And telling me I can't smoke in my own bar is bull****. If it's a fire hazard they're worried about then say so and let me install more exits or something but I doubt that's what they care about. They've just been pressured to much by PC morons who want to control the rest of the population who don't agree with their PC lifestyle.

[Huescacho]

Tobacco = drug. The drug must be drop in fire (drugers too). We must protec our families from this dangers. When I was young, I smoked 2 or 3, and I hate their taste. Who smokes, knows the damage that they are doing to himself. I think that this must be erased!!! :mad:

[Mutineer]

Ahhhhh

But who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot do ? If it was made illegal; there would simply be a black market for it; and crime, and turf wars, etc

Drugs are bad; druggies are total losers .... but mkaing them illegal has done nothing but overcrowd our jails and increase crime.

Remember prohibition in the states ? There was gangland and corruption up the wazoo until it was finally was repealed.

Ban cigarettes ? No.

[MinionZombie]

Cigarettes aren't being outlawed for pete's sake, public areas are being rendered no smoking areas, only effectively, none of that 'invisible zone' garbage ... since when did lingering, unfiltered smoke obey invisible barriers?

And why should smokers dictate whether non-smokers can enjoy a night out without being subjected to other people's smoke? :rockbrow: nyah! :sneaky:

As a non-smoker, why can't I stand at the bus-stop without standing amidst the low-hanging fugg of smokers standing next to me?

As a non-smoker, why can't I walk down a public street on a rainy day without getting soggy ciggie-butt mush all over my shoes?

As a non-smoker, why can't I go to an eatery and enjoy a meal without the bitter taste of smoke from a table nearby?

As a non-smoker, why can't I go to a pub or a bar with some mates and enjoy a boozy night out without coming back stinking of smoke, my clothes, skin and hair all smokey, my eyes dry and irritated and my lungs hot and burning?

Why should a non-smoker, who works in a pub have to deal with a whole load of smoke, perhaps they own and run the business, or perhaps it's the only job they could get?

What about touring musicians, like the late Roy Walker (I think that was his name, if memory serves) who was a professional trumpet player (again, if memory serves) who never smoked a cig in his life, but toured as a musician in venues where there was smoking. It was his job and his passion to play music, and as a result of playing in the target venues, he got lung cancer and died...how is that fair?

Smoking is a choice and I'm fine with people smoking, but being a non-smoker is also a choice, so there has to be give, because with smoke just flying about anywhere and everywhere, it's all give from the non-smokers and no give from smokers.

There should, ideally, be designated areas which are well ventilated (to avoid the build up of fug), or specific pubs that cater specifically to a smoking & drinking crowd, while the majority of bars/pubs remain non-smoking (after all, smokers are in the minority - something officially like 23% in the UK?)...then there's a real choice in the matter and everyone is catered for.

[EvilNed]

And why should smokers dictate whether non-smokers can enjoy a night out without being subjected to other people's smoke? :rockbrow: nyah! :sneaky:

Because you went to a bar where smoking is allowed?


As a non-smoker, why can't I stand at the bus-stop without standing amidst the low-hanging fugg of smokers standing next to me?

Because you placed yourself next to the smoker?



As a non-smoker, why can't I walk down a public street on a rainy day without getting soggy ciggie-butt mush all over my shoes?

Because people throw **** on the ground, wether it be cigarette fags or gum or just plain old cans?


As a non-smoker, why can't I go to an eatery and enjoy a meal without the bitter taste of smoke from a table nearby?

Because you're in the Smoking section?


As a non-smoker, why can't I go to a pub or a bar with some mates and enjoy a boozy night out without coming back stinking of smoke, my clothes, skin and hair all smokey, my eyes dry and irritated and my lungs hot and burning?

Once again, because you went to a bar where smoking is allowed as opposed to bars where they aren't?


Why should a non-smoker, who works in a pub have to deal with a whole load of smoke, perhaps they own and run the business, or perhaps it's the only job they could get?

If they own and run the business, then they should be able to say "No smokes", as most people on this poll seem to agree on. If it's the only job they could get, then we should also ban cars as working as a taxi driver could get you killed, even if it was the only job they could get.



What about touring musicians, like the late Roy Walker (I think that was his name, if memory serves) who was a professional trumpet player (again, if memory serves) who never smoked a cig in his life, but toured as a musician in venues where there was smoking. It was his job and his passion to play music, and as a result of playing in the target venues, he got lung cancer and died...how is that fair?

I have no problem whatsoever navigating between the smokers, and I imagine that Roy had no problem doing the same. It's possible, if you want too, to stay completly clear of the smokers.

[Danny]

not in england it bloody isnt:dead:

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, I duno what world you're living in Ned, but smoke doesn't obey invisible lines drawn in the sand, so-to-speak, in restaurants or whatever where one end of the room is smoking and the other end of the same room is non-smoking - amazingly, smoke travels in the atmosphere and doesn't pay attention to this random idea of zoning. I never sit in the smoking section, yet amazingly, always come back stinking of smoke...:rockbrow:

The point in the smoking 'ban' (in 'public') is to create pubs where smoking is not allowed, I've yet to find a pub that doesn't allow smoking of it's own accord, at best you have a 'gastro pub' where you end up with the same invisible lines that smoke doesn't obey.

Again, at the bus stop, smoke magically permeates the atmosphere and your personal bubble, whether you're 1ft or 10ft away from them. :sneaky::p

How on earth do you 'navigate between' smokers, when once again, the smoke doesn't obey invisible zone lines or personal spaces? A travelling musician, who's job and passion it is to play music, has to go to bars and pubs to earn their keep, which are basically one room filled with people, some of whom are smokers, all of which ends up in the entire atmosphere of the room, rather than hanging around the head of the smoker themselves...:rockbrow:...now that'd be a funny sight.

At least I can't get drunk if I'm sat next to someone who's downing pints, nor will my breath smell of booze if I sit next/near to them, nor will my liver shrivel up...:D

But speaking of booze, so much for that 24 hour idea to achieve the 'cafe culture' they have in France ... what a numpty idea ... apparently the stats show that drinking has ... SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS ... increased! :stunned:

[EvilNed]

I never sit in the smoking section, yet amazingly, always come back stinking of smoke..

I've never had that problem. Only when sitting in the non-smoking section. Yes, smoke travels. Usually upwards our out the window! But Hellsing raised a good point that It's probably alot harder to avoid smokers in London than in Stockholm.


The point in the smoking 'ban' (in 'public') is to create pubs where smoking is not allowed, I've yet to find a pub that doesn't allow smoking of it's own accord, at best you have a 'gastro pub' where you end up with the same invisible lines that smoke doesn't obey.

Actually no, there are many Smoking Bans, for instance in NY if I'm not mistaken (but coma will have to answer that one) where bars and offices aren't allowed to be smoked in, even if the owner wants it.


How on earth do you 'navigate between' smokers, when once again, the smoke doesn't obey invisible zone lines or personal spaces? A travelling musician, who's job and passion it is to play music, has to go to bars and pubs to earn their keep, which are basically one room filled with people, some of whom are smokers, all of which ends up in the entire atmosphere of the room, rather than hanging around the head of the smoker themselves......now that'd be a funny sight.

Smoke dissipates! It goes out the window! I cannot believe you actually find it HARD to navigate between smokers when I do it all the time. There's no difficulty avoiding smokers. When walking across the street I see him, I prepare myself and I... Round him.

If he chooses to play at bars where they smoke, he has to face the consequences. It comes with the territory, just like being a roadside worker increases your chances of being hit by a car. At any time can both of these two workers say "**** this" and quit, and they'll live longer.

[DVW5150]

Generally I really don't care if an establishment is smoke free or not. As long as it has a non smoking section I am good. Bars on the other hand are full of smokers. Smokers love to smoke while having a drink. If fact how many smokers here who normally average a pack or so a day go through a pack in one night if they go to the bar? I would think that it would be bad for business to make a bar non smoking unless you were in a major metro area.

Ageed, when I used to drink, I would go through a pack in an evening. At 2 am I would be buying a pack at 7-11 ...I really dont drink anymore at all. The time has to be rather special (New years) ... The thought of drinking sometimes makes me nauseous , then there are times when out of the blue Ill just say, "God I need a shot of Tequela !"
As far as smoking, I chose the barowners option too. The only time I am at a bar is for a gig nowadays...


Tobacco = drug. The drug must be drop in fire (drugers too). We must protec our families from this dangers. When I was young, I smoked 2 or 3, and I hate their taste. Who smokes, knows the damage that they are doing to himself. I think that this must be erased!!! :mad:

Adolfs b-day was the 20th of last month...Sir, I must tell you: Your tone is getting fascistic , dictatorial , Hun-like ... If you dont like cigarettes , dont smoke .
Please study up on you English. I myself would not bother to post on a site where I barely have a grasp on the language that people use to exchange ideas.
Protec makes bicycle helmets and gloves I think. Maybe some police gear...OH PROTECT ... ok. :lol:
Sorry , just trying to illustrate a point.
When my daughters go bicycling , they wear helmets.
When we first went cycling together, they complained that a bike helmet would 'mess up their hair'... I made it clear that a subdural hemotoma and /or ocular avulsion will permanently ruin their ability to care what their hair looks like.
Oh , this is a smoking thread, Uh oh sorry ...
After I send them to school, sometimes I give myself a 'whole new way of looking at the day'...:D
" Smoke your little smoke, drink your little drink, while I dance the night away!Ahm a Dancin' foo-oo-ool (i may be totally wrong but) ahm a Dancin' foo-oo-ool "-Frank Zappa;)

[Huescacho]

Ageed, when I used to drink, I would go through a pack in an evening. At 2 am I would be buying a pack at 7-11 ...I really dont drink anymore at all. The time has to be rather special (New years) ... The thought of drinking sometimes makes me nauseous , then there are times when out of the blue Ill just say, "God I need a shot of Tequela !"
As far as smoking, I chose the barowners option too. The only time I am at a bar is for a gig nowadays...



Adolfs b-day was the 20th of last month...Sir, I must tell you: Your tone is getting fascistic , dictatorial , Hun-like ... If you dont like cigarettes , dont smoke .
Please study up on you English. I myself would not bother to post on a site where I barely have a grasp on the language that people use to exchange ideas.
Protec makes bicycle helmets and gloves I think. Maybe some police gear...OH PROTECT ... ok. :lol:
Sorry , just trying to illustrate a point.
When my daughters go bicycling , they wear helmets.
When we first went cycling together, they complained that a bike helmet would 'mess up their hair'... I made it clear that a subdural hemotoma and /or ocular avulsion will permanently ruin their ability to care what their hair looks like.
Oh , this is a smoking thread, Uh oh sorry ...
After I send them to school, sometimes I give myself a 'whole new way of looking at the day'...:D
" Smoke your little smoke, drink your little drink, while I dance the night away!Ahm a Dancin' foo-oo-ool (i may be totally wrong but) ahm a Dancin' foo-oo-ool "-Frank Zappa;)


Yes, but I must paid taxes for cure them. All people can do that they want do, but without damage to nobody... Are you my teacher?. You aren't nobody for tell me what I must do. I don't think that my idea was fascist. Who are you for hurt me?. If I am Hitler, you are a ****ing bastard!. I must remember you, that in WWII, in U.S.A., there was a lot of fascists...

[Dommm]

I voted that bar owners should be allowed to decide if they should or should not ban smoking. As far as me walking down the street and smoking a cig, hmm I think that would be a little unfair. As far as I am concerned people should be given the choice as to if they should or should not go into a smoking bar etc... but if i want to sit in a park and smoke then who the hell gets to decide I should not.


Tobacco = drug. The drug must be drop in fire (drugers too). We must protec our families from this dangers. When I was young, I smoked 2 or 3, and I hate their taste. Who smokes, knows the damage that they are doing to himself. I think that this must be erased!!! :mad:

drop people that use drugs in a fire.... mmm not very smart if i chose or chose not to do drugs is my concern and none of yours to say that is one statement too far.


Yes, but I must paid taxes for cure them. All people can do that they want do, but without damage to nobody... Are you my teacher?. You aren't nobody for tell me what I must do. I don't think that my idea was fascist. Who are you for hurt me?. If I am Hitler, you are a ****ing bastard!. I must remember you, that in WWII, in U.S.A., there was a lot of fascists...

anything you do in life effects the person next to you or down the road or half way across the world... accept this life will be more peaceful.
What you have suggested does sound a little facist.
Also in the UK we pay such a high tax on cigs and booze that the cost to the tax payer negligable at best.

[MinionZombie]

But smoking related illnesses are still a big drain on the NHS, which needs all the help it can get as I'm sure all us Brits are aware of.

Speaking of which, I like the idea of refusing treatment to people who have specifically abused their body, but I think they get one do-over to begin with, and then that's it, if they don't seek to improve their ways, then tough luck mate. You don't need to booze it up, you don't need to smoke, you don't need to eat 4 times your daily allowance of callories, but people do it and it's a drain on a crumbling, damaged system that needs to reign sh*t in.

One do-over freebie, and then no more unless the patient makes concerted and continuous effort to change their addiction to whatever it might be. There's people with Alzheimers and cancers who can't get the drugs they should have a right to because the system is so weighed down with beaurocracy and incompetence and needless expenditure ... if your health problems are self inflicted, well ... like I've said twice before...

A separate issue to the smoking ban, but the smoking thing was a spring board...

[fartpants]

it seems to me that by protecting non-smokers rights, we are just trampling all over smokers rights. Personal choice is one of the founding ideals of any civilised society...

[DVW5150]

Yes, but I must paid taxes for cure them. All people can do that they want do, but without damage to nobody... Are you my teacher?. You aren't nobody for tell me what I must do. I don't think that my idea was fascist. Who are you for hurt me?. If I am Hitler, you are a ****ing bastard!. I must remember you, that in WWII, in U.S.A., there was a lot of fascists...
Huescacho I am sorry...I didnt mean any harm by my words.I only wanted to make light of your statement.
I am not your teacher, & I am not intending harm to you in any way.You & I know very little about each other and it would be unwise to attack with harsh words.Disagreement is part of democracy. I dont think killing is justified if someone does drugs or smokes cigarettes. But you do ...Ok I can agree that those things are harmful, but killing or burning people alive is not the answer.
You are not Hitler, you have hardly the craftyness of that c*nt.
I am glad you know the meaning of freedom, so take care...My father blew his brains out when I was 16 . I did know my father, so that disqualifies me as a bastard.
He was a helicopter pilot served in Southeast asia ...He didnt ask for anything in return of his country.He gave this country everything he had.
Enjoy your day.Pardon me while I light up.

[Kaos]

They just passed a smoking ban in Maryland effective February 2008. No smoking in any indoor public place except cigar stores. It's a good thing I don't smoke.

[Huescacho]

I am glad you know the meaning of freedom, so take care...My father blew his brains out when I was 16 . I did know my father, so that disqualifies me as a bastard.
He was a helicopter pilot served in Southeast asia ...He didnt ask for anything in return of his country.He gave this country everything he had.
Enjoy your day.Pardon me while I light up.


I'm sorry for your father (Vietnam?), but you aren't nobody for tell me fascist. Freedom?, who is free now?. the rights of the "normal" people are under the rights of the drugers, and other kind of people... I want not speak of freedom, because if I don't think like you, you can send me the Marines! :elol:

[DVW5150]

[QUOTE=Huescacho;83729]I'm sorry for your father (Vietnam?), but you aren't nobody for tell me fascist. Freedom?, who is free now?. the rights of the "normal" people are under the rights of the drugers, and other kind of people... I want not speak of freedom, because if I don't think like you, you can send me the Marines! :elol:[/QUOTE} WOC 3 1st Air Cav, 1965-67 returned 67-69 earned Bronze Star ...He had serious nightmares because of his experience there the second time around. Disillusion over what America was becoming ... I think being spit upon by a waitress would f*ck just about everyone up after doing what he did.

Semper fi ... drive safely & have a good weekend!
I was Army 160th SOAR/10th mtn div Somalia '93
Its good to be alive!

[Huescacho]

Semper fi ... drive safely & have a good weekend!


Thank you!. I hope the same for you!. Have a good weekend!. :D

I think that your father mistakes to returned... I'm glad for his Bronze Star... The nightmares is a bad thing. They are very difficult to erase of our mind... I work in a psiquiatric hospital, and I see it all days...
This is true!!!. I'm glad for you. Mtn = Mountain Infantry?... How many time was you there?.

[DVW5150]

Thank you!. I hope the same for you!. Have a good weekend!. :D

This is true!!!. I'm glad for you. Mtn = Mountain Infantry?... How many time was you there?.

136 days 3 hours 10 minutes in Mogadishu Somalia, left on the to 15th of October of '93.Mountain yes...Special Operations Aviation Regiment.
My wife is very supportive and very caring about helping me w/ combat related "stress"... I am getting over it . As soon as I am over it, Ill die of old age.
Any way, take care Huescacho, an old American saying : "Dont let your meat loaf", its a joke to laugh about ...:lol:

[Huescacho]

136 days 3 hours 10 minutes in Mogadishu Somalia, left on the to 15th of October of '93.Mountain yes...Special Operations Aviation Regiment.
My wife is very supportive and very caring about helping me w/ combat related "stress"... I am getting over it . As soon as I am over it, Ill die of old age.
Any way, take care Huescacho, an old American saying : "Dont let your meat loaf", its a joke to laugh about ...:lol:


Long time... You are a lucky man!. Not all the wives are supportive with this kind of jobs... I hope that you win! (Ill die of old age). The laugh is a very healthy habbit!. :lol: :lol: :lol: