Name the dodgy (explicit) trance/dance video for me...

[Neil]

I was having a chat with someone at work about the state of videos for Trance stuff and how they all seem to be getting very 'adult' orientated.

I recall seeing recently one where the video was basically 3-4 blonds taking it in turns on a bucking bronco machine in different states of undress (literally).

Anyone recall what the track/video is?

[MinionZombie]

I certainly don't know the video you're on about (perhaps Tricky does), but I know what you mean, they're all rather filthy, surprisingly so even. I was skipping through the channels and there was this one on for a new track out now, it's got some woman who singing something (but I don't know what), but she's singing it like the CD is dirty and keeps skipping...it's annoyingly catchy...anyway, the video is set in some poncy office and there's this grubby bloke (but Brad Pitt looking grubby) and they're all sliding over desks flashing their pants and busting their baps half way out of their ill-fitting suit tops and shirts...I'd have called those videos softcore porn back when I was 13! :eek:

Mind you, the Benni Benassi video and the Eric Prydz ones are wicked, haha...but yes, very filthy indeed...knee rubbingly so...I personally don't mind, but I do know what you mean about the state of these videos reflecting the wider problem in society where sex is cheap and peddled to younger and younger people...it's sick really.

At least my sort of music rarely features complete slags flashing their norks, it's usually lots of flashing lights, people moshing, usually a splashing of mild violence, some more flashy lights, a few moshers fall over, some mud and rain, a bunch of blokes thrashing guitars about and bashing some drums...that kinda stuff...:D

[_liam_]

:lol: thats cos you listen to FALSE METAL

a real metal video (manowar, rob/white zombie, ac/dc, akercocke, motley crue, etc) features ladycakes to the extreme. unless it's metallica or something "serious" like alice in chains

and aye, know what you mean about trance/electro videos, but then its music to shake yer arse to in the hope you might get your rocks off with someone later on.

i like that one with the pneumatic drills

"touch me...cmon and touch me...so i can get my... ...satisfaction"

you know the one?

[MinionZombie]

Yeah, Benni Benassi ... although the "Foxtrot-Unicorn-Charlie-Kilo" video for Bloodhound Gang featured very similar chick set-ups...and I don't listen to "false metal", there's barely such a thing...there's metal, there's heavy metal, there's rock, there's indie rock, there's a whole variety...stop being such a music facist! :rolleyes:

And I totally dig Rob/White Zombie...and some Crue is fine by me, I was just generalising without thinking very hard, the sort of music videos I've watched of late...but that's usually when skipping through the channels and finding myself hating all the music that's being broadcast recently.

[Neil]

Stop hi-jacking this thread! This is the official 'find the semi-naked (infact topless!) blond bimbos on a mechanical bucking bronco machine video'!!!

[Mike70]

don't know but have you ever seen the uncensored vid for placebo's "protege moi"? now that is explicit.

[Cody]

ill be back to check on this thread too when someone has the answer.

what?

[_liam_]

I don't listen to "false metal", there's barely such a thing...

lol, no, there is mate, trust me - or at least there has been something quantified by the metal subculture as "false" for a couple decades now - there are tshirts and everything, i think manowar started the pronounced backlash in the mid 80s.

false metal is defined as any metal too soft, contemporary and commercial/unprogressive to be true metal (or tr00 metal as they say). so in the 80s it was stuff like poison and ratt, in the 90s it was limp bizkit & nu metal, and nowadays its pretty much the entire emo subgenre.

http://www.zambooie.com/product_images/nashvilleclothing/zambooie/NCCT139.jpg

metallers take their art seriously :D

NEIL - be this the video you seek?

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/blog3215.html

[MinionZombie]

Bunch of folk with their panties in a bunch then. :lol:

There's metal, but like I said, there's whole different genres, and not every band actually names themselves as one particular genre, they get named it by some sh*t rag like Kerrang magazine and then it ends up sticking because of numpty culture, there's hard rock, there's indie rock, there's rock, there's heavy metal, there's normal metal, there's thrash metal, this "false metal" thing you describe seems a bit blinkered to me personally, and a bit pointless, due to said genre diversity.

But I do agree that "nu metal" doesn't exist, that kinda stuff is essentially "rap tin", or "rap with guitars instead of high-tops"...keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin' - WHAT? Keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin' - YEAH! :rolleyes::lol:

[_liam_]

fred durst is an arse. they have a couple of alright tunes, but anyone who releases "original" songs with titles like "my way" and "my generation" (seriously), needs a kick up the arse.

some genre tags do apply i think, (there's definitely speed/thrash/black/death & industrial metal) but what "false metal" is, is more related to personal opinion than codes & conventions.

that said

DEATH TO THE FALSE
KEEP IT TRUE
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/picturepostcard/images/bors6-27-1.jpg

[Tricky]

I will not be associated with the kind of dance/trance shown on any of the music channels il have you know,just the same as to rock fans,anything commercial is gash :p that includes ministry of sound,hed kandi & all that crap
This is more my scene
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the laser show is nothing short of amazing in that vid

[MinionZombie]

Hardcore raver eh? You'd be good on Big Brother right about now with that Tracey who is "avin' it" 24/7 in the "phat" BB house. :D

Also, surely "false metal" would denote the bands in question themselves masquerading as 'true' metal, rather than just the opinion of some critic or some teenager on MySpace? :sneaky:

Indeed, if a band specifically themselves pretends to be something they're not, then feck off, but that's not that common, as it's usually a label placed upon them beyond their control by critics or listeners.

[_liam_]

Also, surely "false metal" would denote the bands in question themselves masquerading as 'true' metal, rather than just the opinion of some critic or some teenager on MySpace? :sneaky:

sorry brah, doesnt really make sense. do you mean it denotes that the bands in question ARE masquerading as true metal? in which case yeah, they are cashing in on the angsty teen demographic. false as hell.



Indeed, if a band specifically themselves pretends to be something they're not, then feck off, but that's not that common, as it's usually a label placed upon them beyond their control by critics or listeners.

so not true mate. it's VERY common, especially at the moment ; - aiden, my chemical romance, alexisonfire, boyhitscar, ton of bands are cynically marketed, contrived fodder not intended to do anything except hook gullible teenagers and sell tshirts.

[MinionZombie]

Well, half those bands you just mentioned I've never even heard of, but MCR are gheay and look like they've been infected by the black goo from Spider-Man 3. :lol:

What I meant was, a true case of "false metal" would be when the band themselves are specifically touting themselves as metal specifically...

A case where some critic looking for a quick comparison hook, or some dumbo MySpace 'ked', is saying a band is "metal", but the band themselves aren't - then it's not really a case of "false metal", but rather a case of "fan/critic base misinterpretation/lazy writing".

But a lot of bands are really hard to define these days.

As for marketing, sometimes you've gotta be marketed in a way you wouldn't want to be in order to get somewhere, it's a mean and harsh business...and what's wrong with selling t-shirts, the bands are making squat off the actual sold CD's, they make it back in merch and touring.

[Mutineer]

Motel Crue is considered Metal ? Not after Theatre of Pain.

Kiss ? KISS ? :confused: Gimme a break. Most of those bands in the art chart suck anyway.

False Metal ? You're throwing the tag around like your baddass for listening to True Metal :confused: Stop trying so hard to be hip and just be yourself.

I like everything from Metal to New Wave to Alternative to Hard Rock to Arena to Heartland to Punk ....

I agree with Minion; it is hard to categorize music these days. It all started blurring in the late 90's with the infusion of Alternative Rock and Hard Rock I think.

[_liam_]

no you misunderstand, i dont care if bands want to sell tshirts or appear on MTV, no problem with that at all, its when a band is a cynically contrived endeavour, with an image and sound that is solely intended to appeal to a specific demographic, stuff like MCR and limp bizkit is like the heavy metal equivalent of movies like "charlies angels: full throttle" - in artistic terms.

some rather aloof metallers will consider anything less than a blackened death metal band who has 10 fans to be "false metal", myself i wouldnt go that far, but i would apply that tag to any band who would rather sell a million units through analysing marketing curves and cashing in on trends than spending a single second writing some music from the heart.

there's nothing wrong with selling a million units, my two favourite bands are led zeppelin and joy division - but they have great songs with a true degree of artistry- it is not a matter of opinion as to whether zeppelin have more artistic integrity than "the rasmus". zeppelin just did what they wanted to do, and sold millions of albums. however, here's the rasmus before the whole nu metal/mallgoth thing got big

http://www.finnishrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/YR40.jpg

these days, bands like that arent expressing anything or trying to innovate, they are just pandering to a demand.

i still cling to romantic notions of music being art, and i honestly think bands like good charlotte etc dont try to write music they'd want to hear, they sit down and say "right, lets make this a hooky, breezy tune in the style those kids will lap up" - which in my opinion is not the way to do things.

so aye, not true expression or innovation = false




False Metal ? You're throwing the tag around like your baddass for listening to True Metal :confused: Stop trying so hard to be hip and just be yourself.


yeah there was just a pinch of irony about my posts, which you arent picking up. while i am pretty into the doom / black metal underground, i am just a goth kid at the end of the day, which isnt very "tr00" in the eyes of most metallers.




I like everything from Metal to New Wave to Alternative to Hard Rock to Arena to Heartland to Punk ....


yep so do i




I agree with Minion; it is hard to categorize music these days. It all started blurring in the late 90's with the infusion of Alternative Rock and Hard Rock I think.

[/QUOTE]

personally i think the line began to blur with the post punk/new wave of the early 80s, what were joy division or the cure? hard rock/art rock/post punk/punk rock/goth rock - all genres the bands themselves rejected. that was the period when the really strange fish started to emerge, before then pretty much everything in the hard rock sphere was glam/punk/metal or prog.