odd little things I noticed in Dawn 78

[MissJacksonCA]

They said in Dawn that it had basically been 3 weeks with zombies terrorizing the world... what was so amazing to me was that it wasn't until AFTER 3 weeks did the emergency alert whatever they call it took the station and put up the actual emergency broadcast.

I thought it was kinda funny too that the station manager cared about people watching them for ratings when the dead were eating the living and turning them undead. And of course that he insisted on the rescue stations that were inoperable being listed even though they weren't places of safety anymore.

What ever happened to the guys who were debating? And the people at the station... why did they keep working? Did they think they'd really need that paycheck next week? Wouldn't you bring your family to work if you felt safe enough to work there?

When the two guys were debating the one said something to the effect of the government insisted that citizens may no longer occupy private residences no matter how safe or well stocked they were... this leads me to believe the government wants to herd everyone to the same spot where they can quarantine those who appear to have been bitten or injured and then go home to home killing anyone who decides to remain outside of the 'safety zones' they designate for local residents.

Another thing is ...my local malls have some sweet rides inside them ...a hummer, mercedes coupe something, and a big pick up truck... i'm beginning to think the optimal place to be is the mall because if the ****e hits the fan hey you have a vehicle just drive on out and mow everyone in your path down

[acealive1]

good observations. i'd definitely get to a mall. the mall here only has regular doors. no "huge bay doors" like in dawn. and all the entrances are easily able to be closed.

[Khardis]

They said in Dawn that it had basically been 3 weeks with zombies terrorizing the world... what was so amazing to me was that it wasn't until AFTER 3 weeks did the emergency alert whatever they call it took the station and put up the actual emergency broadcast.

I thought it was kinda funny too that the station manager cared about people watching them for ratings when the dead were eating the living and turning them undead. And of course that he insisted on the rescue stations that were inoperable being listed even though they weren't places of safety anymore.

What ever happened to the guys who were debating? And the people at the station... why did they keep working? Did they think they'd really need that paycheck next week? Wouldn't you bring your family to work if you felt safe enough to work there?

When the two guys were debating the one said something to the effect of the government insisted that citizens may no longer occupy private residences no matter how safe or well stocked they were... this leads me to believe the government wants to herd everyone to the same spot where they can quarantine those who appear to have been bitten or injured and then go home to home killing anyone who decides to remain outside of the 'safety zones' they designate for local residents.

Another thing is ...my local malls have some sweet rides inside them ...a hummer, mercedes coupe something, and a big pick up truck... i'm beginning to think the optimal place to be is the mall because if the ****e hits the fan hey you have a vehicle just drive on out and mow everyone in your path down


I think they EBC didnt go off, because the plague takes time to travel. Like it would pop up in 1 or 2 places and then spread quickly. Week 1 was probably like say NY and LA infected right? Then from there by week 2 it was all over the coast and by week 3 it was at a level where everyone was being affected in most metropolitan areas and the government was finnally forced to react. Reminds me of SARs a few years back even though that was just a ramped up chest cold, it started in 1 place and then within a month was all over Asia. After the 1st few weeks it was just isolated cases, but within that month it became emergency worthy for them.

That keeps in line with the guy who wants to keep the new station running since they werent used to the whole zombie apocalypse thing yet, also the same with the cops and everyone just starting to try to "get out".

[MissJacksonCA]

SARS isn't exactly dead people coming to life eating other people...

[jim102016]

good observations. i'd definitely get to a mall. the mall here only has regular doors. no "huge bay doors" like in dawn. and all the entrances are easily able to be closed.

If a mall is not equipped with "huge bay doors" or access via a garage type door (maybe in the basement?) then how do vehicles get into the mall?

[DEAD BEAT]

What ever happened to the guys who were debating? And the people at the station... why did they keep working? Did they think they'd really need that paycheck next week? Wouldn't you bring your family to work if you felt safe enough to work there?


Come on those two were not exactly lady killers,i seriously dont think they had families let alone girlfriends!;)

Those two were probably rubbing weinies during comercial breaks!:D

[acealive1]

If a mall is not equipped with "huge bay doors" or access via a garage type door (maybe in the basement?) then how do vehicles get into the mall?


in today's world we have loading docks. bay doors are useless when u can just take double doors off of a frame instead and get cars in that way. this one doesnt have a basement.

[MissJacksonCA]

Good point... I have no idea how they got those vehicles into the mall let alone how they got them to that PART of the mall through the kiosks and such...

I was just thinking of a really cool place to be in a zombie attack! Costco! They have electronics, books, dvds, clothes (usually ugly but hey), food and there's NO WINDOWS... only pull down steel doors and steel entry doors. In some states they have liquor too! And they also have a pharmacy and everything you literally NEED for survival except for guns which they may have somewhere. They also have display cars inside and gas pumps outside. Unfortunatly the only zombie free way out is through the roof and they have a ton of windows up there but they're covered in bars in part... but I think I can make it work

[sgrosse]

well, as to the question about the two debating people on the show, from the sound of it, people didnt have allot of sound information, or did not believe it. That is apparent from the reaction that Govt. offical got after making some of his announcements. Secondly the reason that they were there was maybe due to the fact that people need a sence of normalcy in there lives. Its probably all they know.

The mall, well, being that this was shot in the seventies, maybe people didnt think to go there. Hell, one of them, I think it was stephen(i might be wrong, feel free to fact check me) didnt even know what it was. They might not think a trip to the mall was either worth it, or didnt know what it was to begin with. Three weeks isnt a long time to get info out. Its not like they had cnn.

[MissJacksonCA]

yeah from the sound of it none of them knew what it was... it was like an urban legend... stores banding together for the convenience of shoppers... say it isnt so

[DEAD BEAT]

Id like to be stuck in the Playboy Mansion with all the beautiful bunny's floating on some lucious Double D's:D

But lock Hef's ass outside!:elol:

[acealive1]

Id like to be stuck in the Playboy Mansion with all the beautiful bunny's floating on some lucious Double D's:D

But lock Hef's ass outside!:elol:


be careful not to have any little ones as there'd be no one to deliver them. lol

[darth los]

well, as to the question about the two debating people on the show, from the sound of it, people didnt have allot of sound information, or did not believe it. That is apparent from the reaction that Govt. offical got after making some of his announcements. Secondly the reason that they were there was maybe due to the fact that people need a sence of normalcy in there lives. Its probably all they know.

The mall, well, being that this was shot in the seventies, maybe people didnt think to go there. Hell, one of them, I think it was stephen(i might be wrong, feel free to fact check me) didnt even know what it was. They might not think a trip to the mall was either worth it, or didnt know what it was to begin with. Three weeks isnt a long time to get info out. Its not like they had cnn.

You're correct.:D
Stephen asks the question "what the hell is it?" Roger answers, " It looks like a shopping Center, one of those big inddor malls".

[MissJacksonCA]

I really dig that there's not a lot of profanity in GARs movies... I dont think its a necessity it can emphasize a statement but I think it also can be a bit obscene at times

[acealive1]

I really dig that there's not a lot of profanity in GARs movies... I dont think its a necessity it can emphasize a statement but I think it also can be a bit obscene at times

the gore more than makes up for profanity. except when wooley went on a racist rant. lol

[darth los]

What's also great about his films is that the gore is done "tastefully", if that's at all possible. It never seems over the top or gratuitous. It's always within the flow of the story and rarely overdone. It's like he only uses it if it's necessary to get his point across in a particular scene.

[MissJacksonCA]

I didn't quite get (and still dont) the whole Martinez thing and felt it was offensive... I wonder if they could've done that whole part differently

[darth los]

I didn't quite get (and still dont) the whole Martinez thing and felt it was offensive... I wonder if they could've done that whole part differently



I never get offended by stuff like that. By now i'm just used to racism being a fact of life. That being said, racial tensions have been a constant theme in the dead trilogy. Even though they were never overt about it, it happened between Ben and Cooper in NOTLD. The theme continued in DOTD in the scene you mentioned and later in the movie when Savini uttered the now famous "i see you!! Chocolate man!!" line. In DAY when Rhodes tells Steele to "knock him around a little bit, it might knock some sense into that jungle bunny head". Right or wrong the racial component is definitely there, that much is indisputable. What do you think he was trying to do/message he was trying to convey?:confused:

[MissJacksonCA]

I think at the time the movies were made in the 70s racial tensions were quite peaked in the u.s. And then in Land of the Dead you see that the more things change the more they stay the same when Chulo is denied a pad at the Green.

As far as Dawn of the Dead goes I felt Stephen was a racist. You could see tension between the too reach a peak when Stephen went to shoot the zombie with Peter standing right behind the zomb. I dont really think that it would've mattered much to Stephen. Eventually Peter showed Stephen what time it was by aiming his weapon at him and saying hey how does it feel?

[darth los]

I think at the time the movies were made in the 70s racial tensions were quite peaked in the u.s. And then in Land of the Dead you see that the more things change the more they stay the same when Chulo is denied a pad at the Green.

As far as Dawn of the Dead goes I felt Stephen was a racist. You could see tension between the too reach a peak when Stephen went to shoot the zombie with Peter standing right behind the zomb. I dont really think that it would've mattered much to Stephen. Eventually Peter showed Stephen what time it was by aiming his weapon at him and saying hey how does it feel?


I was never really sure if Stephen could actually see Peter. When your in the dark it's easy to see what's in the light, but vice-versa , that's not the case. I say this because when Peter is dusting himself off and emerges from the shack you can't really see much of anything until he takes a few steps. Maybe it was a bad camera angle? I think the way he was wary of Peter when they were first introduced was more telling. He asks roger "who's he", roger replies "his names peter, he's o.k.". There's was more implied tension in that scene imo.

[ICEMAN]

Here is one thing that I noticed,
In the scene when Stephen and Peter are in the gun shop picking up guns..
It seems like most of the guns they picked up were 22 long rifles.
They did pick up some of the larger caliber rifles but when there was a scene of Stephen dumping ammo out onto the counter to load the revolver those rounds were all 22 long rifles..
In the scene where they show a cylinder being rotated the rounds are all 22 long rifles..
The future scenes show them loading large rifle caliber bullets onto the gun belts and shotgun shells..
It shows Stephen running out of the hallway with the shotgun shells on his bandoleer...but no one is carrying a shotgun!!

They also didn't take any of the semiauto pistols.

Did anyone else notice that..??

[darth los]

They also didn't take any of the semiauto pistols.

Did anyone else notice that..??


I certainly did. But how were they gonna live out their childhood cowboy fantasies with semi-automatic pistols?:confused: There's no sub for a six shooter in a holster you know. :D Good point about no one carrying a shotgun.

[MissJacksonCA]

the NRA must be proud of you

[darth los]

I thought it was kinda funny too that the station manager cared about people watching them for ratings when the dead were eating the living and turning them undead. And of course that he insisted on the rescue stations that were inoperable being listed even though they weren't places of safety anymore.





That just goes back to a point you made in another thread about companies calculating the cost of human lives vs. profit. Trust me, if they could have made more money by saving the people's live that they sent to rescue stations that had already closed down they would have. This is just one of the many forms that practice took.

[jim102016]

Here is one thing that I noticed,
In the scene when Stephen and Peter are in the gun shop picking up guns..
It seems like most of the guns they picked up were 22 long rifles.
They did pick up some of the larger caliber rifles but when there was a scene of Stephen dumping ammo out onto the counter to load the revolver those rounds were all 22 long rifles..
In the scene where they show a cylinder being rotated the rounds are all 22 long rifles..
The future scenes show them loading large rifle caliber bullets onto the gun belts and shotgun shells..
It shows Stephen running out of the hallway with the shotgun shells on his bandoleer...but no one is carrying a shotgun!!

They also didn't take any of the semiauto pistols.

Did anyone else notice that..??


Good catch, there are a few other details in that movie that most don't notice concerning that area.

You don't have to be a NRA sympathizer to know a bit about firearms in the U.S. You'd think someone who lives in the south would know that

[acealive1]

im thinking the right to bear arms was still in play then so i have no qualms about blowing off some guys head. to hell with if anyone thinks the NRA is proud of me or whatever. its either stay alive or get dead.

[Andy]

good observations. i'd definitely get to a mall. the mall here only has regular doors. no "huge bay doors" like in dawn. and all the entrances are easily able to be closed.
Yeah you and 2 million other people.

Malls would be raided and looted and inhabitable a couple of days after a zombie outbreak :p

[acealive1]

Yeah you and 2 million other people.

Malls would be raided and looted and inhabitable a couple of days after a zombie outbreak :p


not if u know the guy who runs said mall.

[darth los]

I agree. you'd literally have to have a well armed militia to keep the masses away. People are trying to keep their families safe. Just because someone has a ring of keys and tells them to go away isn't going to deter anybody. Perhaps in 1978 many people would not have thought of it but today that's not the case. The mall in dawn eventually got raided after all. Come to think of it, for all their sacrifices and planning it's the most likely scenario, looters, for which they were the most poorly prepared. Peter mentions looters once and their solution was to put up a cardboard wall.:eek: Nice.:lol:

[Philly_SWAT]

They said in Dawn that it had basically been 3 weeks with zombies terrorizing the world... what was so amazing to me was that it wasn't until AFTER 3 weeks did the emergency alert whatever they call it took the station and put up the actual emergency broadcast. I think that people in general did not realize the severity of the situation 3 weeks in, and it was probably best to have local people talking about local things rather than a national broadcast if possible.


I thought it was kinda funny too that the station manager cared about people watching them for ratings when the dead were eating the living and turning them undead. And of course that he insisted on the rescue stations that were inoperable being listed even though they weren't places of safety anymore.He was a total idiot, although, I think it illistrates that some people still didnt get how big a problem this was, and falsely thought that things were going to returning to normal soon.


What ever happened to the guys who were debating? And the people at the station... why did they keep working? Did they think they'd really need that paycheck next week? Wouldn't you bring your family to work if you felt safe enough to work there? I dont think they were thinking about a paycheck, I think they were trying to do their part to help in the situation. Same way you would try to help drowning children from a bus wreck. You wouldnt be thinking "if I do this, how am I gonna get paid?" you would be thinking "holy shet, kids are drowning, I need to help!"


When the two guys were debating the one said something to the effect of the government insisted that citizens may no longer occupy private residences no matter how safe or well stocked they were... this leads me to believe the government wants to herd everyone to the same spot where they can quarantine those who appear to have been bitten or injured and then go home to home killing anyone who decides to remain outside of the 'safety zones' they designate for local residents. This is probably a good idea that you have here. I think that in the event of a big disaster, the government is generally unprepared (Katrina, anyone?), and results to what they know best, control. Same way the Lousiana governor was authorizing the national guard to shoot looters in the wake of Katrina. Should that have been at the top of the list of things to do?


Another thing is ...my local malls have some sweet rides inside them ...a hummer, mercedes coupe something, and a big pick up truck... i'm beginning to think the optimal place to be is the mall because if the ****e hits the fan hey you have a vehicle just drive on out and mow everyone in your path down Good point.


Yeah you and 2 million other people.

Malls would be raided and looted and inhabitable a couple of days after a zombie outbreak :pThat may be true, but at least in Dawn, it was three weeks after the outbreak, and the mall was neither looted or "un"inhabitable.


What's also great about his films is that the gore is done "tastefully", if that's at all possible. It never seems over the top or gratuitous. It's always within the flow of the story and rarely overdone. It's like he only uses it if it's necessary to get his point across in a particular scene.Ditto.


I didn't quite get (and still dont) the whole Martinez thing and felt it was offensive... I wonder if they could've done that whole part differentlyTo me, this scene just helped to further illustrate that even in times of chaos, at a time when all humans should be uniting against a common foe, they let petty issues rule over their common sense. That mankind has incredible difficulty in co-opertaing with each other, a common theme in all of Romeros movies.


I think at the time the movies were made in the 70s racial tensions were quite peaked in the u.s. And then in Land of the Dead you see that the more things change the more they stay the same when Chulo is denied a pad at the Green.I dont think that Cholos race had anything at all to do with being denied a pad at the Green. You think Riley would have been given one had he asked for it? No. Cholo was denied entry because he wasnt of the right "class", the rich, ruling elite. Kind of like real life.


As far as Dawn of the Dead goes I felt Stephen was a racist. You could see tension between the too reach a peak when Stephen went to shoot the zombie with Peter standing right behind the zomb. I dont really think that it would've mattered much to Stephen. Eventually Peter showed Stephen what time it was by aiming his weapon at him and saying hey how does it feel? I totally disagree. I think the tension between the two had nothing to do with race, it was just the same tension that exists many times between two men. As you saw, they become quite friendly later. Stephen was either trying to help Peter when he shot at the airport, or didnt see him. Peter was just pissed that he could have gotten shot. Later in the mall, right after Flyboy comes out of the hallway for the first time, and Peter yells "Dont open that door Flyboy, you'll lead 'em right up there with you", again, Flyboy's first untrained instinct is to shoot a zombie near Peter (the one he picks up and throws over the balcony), but he thinks better of it, I think after remembering what happened at the airport.


Here is one thing that I noticed,
In the scene when Stephen and Peter are in the gun shop picking up guns..
It seems like most of the guns they picked up were 22 long rifles.
They did pick up some of the larger caliber rifles but when there was a scene of Stephen dumping ammo out onto the counter to load the revolver those rounds were all 22 long rifles..
In the scene where they show a cylinder being rotated the rounds are all 22 long rifles..
The future scenes show them loading large rifle caliber bullets onto the gun belts and shotgun shells..
It shows Stephen running out of the hallway with the shotgun shells on his bandoleer...but no one is carrying a shotgun!!

They also didn't take any of the semiauto pistols.

Did anyone else notice that..??I have noticed that, especially the bandoleer with the shotgun shells, but you have to admit, it looks pretty cool wearing a bandolier full of shotguns shells! I am sure thats why GAR did that, it looked cool. He didnt expect that 30 years later we would be examing his movie to the degree that we do.

[MissJacksonCA]

You're right that does help illustrate that despite all the chaos when we should unite ... people will still seperate

But I felt it was a lot more about Cholo's race... like his place as a latino wasn't in a penthouse unless it was as a maid or personal assistant. I felt that way because Dennis Hoppers butler happened to be black. And I was like some things never change. Though Riley would no doubt have been denied access to the green as well because of the class issue. Hmmm... time to go back to the drawing board me thinks

[Yojimbo]

Here is one thing that I noticed,
In the scene when Stephen and Peter are in the gun shop picking up guns..
It seems like most of the guns they picked up were 22 long rifles.
They did pick up some of the larger caliber rifles but when there was a scene of Stephen dumping ammo out onto the counter to load the revolver those rounds were all 22 long rifles..
In the scene where they show a cylinder being rotated the rounds are all 22 long rifles..
The future scenes show them loading large rifle caliber bullets onto the gun belts and shotgun shells..
It shows Stephen running out of the hallway with the shotgun shells on his bandoleer...but no one is carrying a shotgun!!

They also didn't take any of the semiauto pistols.

Did anyone else notice that..??



Good point about there being no shotguns, however, I thought I saw one in the barrel of guns up in the hideout loft, so I always assumed that they had the shotguns, maybe in the store...I don't know.

Did anyone else catch the fake m-16 clip (outfitted for .22 LR) visible for a moment when Peter was reloading? It is a smaller clip which fits into the bottom of what is supposed to be the clip for the M-16.

[darth los]

If it's in the airport scene after he blows away the kid zombies, then yes i did. I've simply gotten used to all the inconsistencies/bloopers in this film. Good eye though. ;) It's still my favorite movie regardless.

[flyboy]

They said in Dawn that it had basically been 3 weeks with zombies terrorizing the world... what was so amazing to me was that it wasn't until AFTER 3 weeks did the emergency alert whatever they call it took the station and put up the actual emergency broadcast.

I thought it was kinda funny too that the station manager cared about people watching them for ratings when the dead were eating the living and turning them undead. And of course that he insisted on the rescue stations that were inoperable being listed even though they weren't places of safety anymore.

What ever happened to the guys who were debating? And the people at the station... why did they keep working? Did they think they'd really need that paycheck next week? Wouldn't you bring your family to work if you felt safe enough to work there?

When the two guys were debating the one said something to the effect of the government insisted that citizens may no longer occupy private residences no matter how safe or well stocked they were... this leads me to believe the government wants to herd everyone to the same spot where they can quarantine those who appear to have been bitten or injured and then go home to home killing anyone who decides to remain outside of the 'safety zones' they designate for local residents.

Another thing is ...my local malls have some sweet rides inside them ...a hummer, mercedes coupe something, and a big pick up truck... i'm beginning to think the optimal place to be is the mall because if the ****e hits the fan hey you have a vehicle just drive on out and mow everyone in your path down

aye, good point. what did happen to those camera men?:mad:

[MissJacksonCA]

I figured out where Fran and Petey may go... she wanted to go to Canada in the beginning... Peters plan was to hole up in the mall until whenever... but later is my breakthrough... when he says they're coming here because they remember and they know they want to be here but they dont know why... which gets me thinking that they're going to head out to the country to find a tiny farm house or something I mean who's going to have the impulse to go there?

[darth los]

As long as that farmhouse was about 30 minutes away. I doubt that they had enough fuel to get much farther than that.

[MissJacksonCA]

All the stuff I first posted was just from the first 30 minutes of the movie... after finishing it at around say 7am this morning I found something else...

It sucked that Peter used the word zombies... I always thought that GARs movies ruled because they never use the Z word which I kinda think cheapens the theme of the film. And reading that someone said they were directed by GAR to be over the top just makes him seem whoreish to me now... I want realalistic zombies (sounds crazy I know) and personally the best zombie walker ever was Stephen.

Something else that was stupid was when they were closing the mall doors and Stephen was manning the flames it didn't make sense that the zombies could feel the heat and withdrew their fingers from the door frame. They're dead... they feel nothing~! WTF?

Anyone else agree or disagree and care to discuss it in a calm orderly fashion like adults?

[darth los]

It sucked that Peter used the word zombies... I always thought that GARs movies ruled because they never use the Z word which I kinda think cheapens the theme of the film. And reading that someone said they were directed by GAR to be over the top just makes him seem whoreish to me now... I want realalistic zombies (sounds crazy I know) and personally the best zombie walker ever was Stephen.

I've always found that out of place as well. I think that by that time zombies were becoming a big part of the pop culture. I think he was just trying to capitalize on the name recognition. There's really no explanation for it. It's an anomoly. It goes against everything else he's ever done in those films. One can see that he purposely refrained from calling them zombies in his films. They've been called marauding gouls, stenches and even piles of walking puss. so yes it did seem very out of place.

As it pertains to Gar directing his actors to have fun with it, I don't see it as whoring himself out, I see it as a man who doesn't take himself too seriously. On a documentary I have Gar says himself that the movie was done kinda tounge in cheek, that he never meant it to be "scary." I believe he described it like a big wild ride an amusement park sort of thing. ( i really need to watch the documentary again so i can be more acurate, but that's basically what he said).

Yes Stephen's zombie walk was one for the ages. I'll never figure out how he pulled of that ankle thing. I cringe every time i see it. Curiously enough He said that it didn't hurt or bother him at all and that he came up with that himself. he spent days thinking about his own personal zombie walk, now that i recall , Gar told everyone to personlize their walk.

[MissJacksonCA]

I guess it affected me more because I always found zombie movies terrifying and for him to try to make them seem somewhat comedic by embracing people acting over the top he kinda tried to make it less scary... and I dont dig that coz I want to be scared dangit! If I wanted the warm and fuzzies and laughs a minute i'd be watching Lifetime!

[darth los]

Something else that was stupid was when they were closing the mall doors and Stephen was manning the flames it didn't make sense that the zombies could feel the heat and withdrew their fingers from the door frame. They're dead... they feel nothing~! WTF?


Another good observation. Yes it is strage that they pulled away from the flames, but is it any stranger than them being afraid of fire in the first place. I mean they don't recoil from guns and knives but god forbid they get close to the pretty light.:rockbrow: The only explanation i can think of is that they weren't actually recoiling from the pain but from the fear of fire.

Another thought, isn't it strange that they would fear anything at all. They're supposes to be mindless gouls. The fact that their afraid of something means that there are indeed some remnants of humanity and was maybe a precursor to the gradual evolution we saw as the series progressed. Just a thought.

[MissJacksonCA]

Was it intentional to film the zombies being afraid of the flames? I remember how they looked up at the fireworks and maybe the two correlate to each other. Its great how you say it could be a remnant of humanity within them but before I can accept that I must know if it was intentional for them to film the fear of fire! I must!

[darth los]

I believe it was, although i'll watch NOTLD with the commentary on just to make sure. It's by john Russo. Although i can't stand the guy I can't deny he co-wrote it and if anybody would know he certainly would.

It makes sense that they would be afraid of fire because it;'s consistent with classic horror creatures (vampires especially) to have something that repels them. The gouls were virtually unstoppable and their sheer numbers could overwhelm you, not if you had some fire handy though, that would repel them, much like a cross would to a vampire.

[MissJacksonCA]

Vampire lore came about during a time I imagine relgion was paramount to most things... so I figure that people were trying to almost create a salem witch trial atmosphere when they first felt that vampires (or victims of TB) were amongst them... And the whole vampire afraid of things vary from book to book for instance... they didn't care much for roses...

Werewolves however I never figured out why they would be affected by silver and there's a great deal of mystery surrounding when they turn into one... because I've never investigated licanthropy I can't suggest where the silver thing came from but now I'm thinking I may... hmmm... time to whip out The Howling DVD and have meself a Coors Light.

[darth los]

I'm just saying that when Romaro decided to create his "mythology" or "lore" it was only fitting that he incorporated a couple of aspects from more traditional "monsters".

[dracenstein]

About the zombies fearing fire. All animals (and us humans, who can be dumber than animals at times) have a deep-rooted instinctive fear of fire, when the zombies reanimated, that deep-rooted fear is reactivated as well.

[MissJacksonCA]

of course thats all speculation unless you have personal experience with zombies we and the government isn't presently aware of...

they weren't afraid of sharp objects, being driven over by semis, or being shot... which are all things humans are generally afraid of... and of course the will to survive isn't present in zombies...

[darth los]

and of course the will to survive isn't present in zombies...



I think you hit it right on the head MJ. The survival instinct is just not there. The only instinct that seems to be there is the need to feed. (cool that rhymed :D )