another jon benet?

[MissJacksonCA]

http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/shocking-twist-in-missing-girls-case/20070907044309990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

I assosciate this with Jon Benet because its a case where the mother possibly murdered the daughter whether accidentally or not though how you accidentally kill a child is beyond me... I suspected the parents from the beginning but felt they were guilty of something more along the lines of not paying close enough attention to their children and thus responsible if one of them goes missing...

Hope this case doesn't wind up like the Natalie Holloway investigation where we never find a body of any kind because I for one really want to know what happened to that beautiful little girl and see someone punished for what happened.

[fartpants]

it seems to me that the police are just clutching at straws, but i dont think we will ever see this child again....

[Danny]

oh ive been saying this from day one, they whent boozing came home and either an accident had ensued through neglect while they left her alone or they were pissed and did something themselves, then just played to everyones fear of non whites and said it was some generic hispanic guy who did it so they wouldnt have to take the blame and lose there other kids or go to prison:rolleyes:

those were my thoughts right off the bat, "ramsey anyone?"

[MissJacksonCA]

Kinda reminds me of the case in Boston in the 80s when this Charles guy killed his pregnant wife and then blamed a black guy ... the police basically swarmed the 'projects' and suspected anyone who wasn't white it was insane...

It was so funny listening to the media reports covering like how wonderful these people are because they've stayed behind in a foreign country waiting for word on their daughter but I think its more like they're waiting for word on any possible sightings of a dead body or something so they can either move the child or whatever... and they're doctors but yet they're raising other peoples money to try to find their daughter? Wtf?

[Terran]

then just played to everyones fear of non whites and said it was some generic hispanic guy who did it


They would have really rallied support if they spiced that up a bit.....


"Yeah it was this hispanic guy who did it.....the only other thing I remember is that he was an illegal!"




:rolleyes:

[MissJacksonCA]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Danny]

They would have really rallied support if they spiced that up a bit.....


"Yeah it was this hispanic guy who did it.....the only other thing I remember is that he was an illegal!"




:rolleyes:

dude im pretty sure they were on about immigrints taking the kid "along with other unreported english WHITE kids and selling them into slavery.:rolleyes:

but yeah now ther eboth suspects because theyve found blood in the house and there car (from when they probably disposed of her)...unless it really was "average black guy, with average hair, average height, and average blend into a crowd appearance:rolleyes::lol:

[MinionZombie]

Heard this on the radio all day yesterday, some messed up stuff.

I never really sat around and thought about the case that much, the incessant media attention just disgusted me and over-dosed it all for me, but I bet the Daily Mail feel like idiots now...although they'll probably just now switch direction and continue on in that, eyes-up-and-whistling-non-challantly stylee. :lol:

Anyway, it's all messed up...the story was ropey from the start, either ropey or it was flat out a case of two parents being complete idiots...which you'd think they wouldn't be. They're well educated, aren't they doctors as well or something? You'd think they'd know you don't leave your kids alone in an unlocked and unattended room - I mean come-the-f*ck-on.

By which I mean, it makes it more likely for it to be foul play.

But then you also think, if they sedated their kid, and they're doctors - surely they should know how to sedate safely? Not that I'm agreeing with sedating a kid, for f*ck sake it's messed up is what it is...and you'd think, well surely they've done it before...so if they have, how could they mess it up?

Oh it's a web of messed-up-edness.

[Yojimbo]

They would have really rallied support if they spiced that up a bit.....


"Yeah it was this hispanic guy who did it.....the only other thing I remember is that he was an illegal!"




:rolleyes:

Score point for Terran!

[Cody]

its funny how guilty you can sound by blaming it on another race.

[Dtothe3]

It's funny what happened to "Innocent until PROVEN guilty".

Don't you find it funny how a witnesses account put a man carrying a young blonde girl away from the scene around the same time have been noted, yet that man hasn't come forward despite the huge scale of the media frenzy?

Do you not think he might have come forward to say "That guy was me?".

Of course, that relies on him having nothing to hide.

[Danny]

well theyve found blood of hers in the room and in the boot of her parents car, id call that proof, granted not concrete but defintley something to go on more than "a man".

[Dtothe3]

They found blood, not enough to even determine the sex of the person it came from. Such evidence would be dismissed in the UK.

My point was more that people are throwing some evidence out of the window, and justifying it on flimsy ground. I just simply disagree with trial by media. It's a complete circus.

[Danny]

Of course it is, since its technically global gossip not news. news effects anythign from a community to the world with actual events that have an impact. This is going to have no implications for even one other person besides those involved, so its not news its just gossiping.

[MinionZombie]

Funnily enough (well, sorta) I was watching a video earlier (winding back to the start of Wild Bunch to finally sit down and watch that flick), anyway there was an episode of South Park at the start of the tape, the one where Butters' parents believe they've accidentally killed him and blame "some Puertorican guy", then the likes of OJ and then some American people I've never heard of (who also might have killed their nearest & dearest), and Butters' dad screams what everybody's thinking when the 'camera' cuts away to their faces...it's actually pretty funny.

Anyway...actually a bit off topic, but still...I thought it was a funny-ass episode.

This whole Maddy thing is absolutely nuts, I don't think it'll ever be solved.

[Dtothe3]

Of course it is, since its technically global gossip not news. news effects anythign from a community to the world with actual events that have an impact. This is going to have no implications for even one other person besides those involved, so its not news its just gossiping.

Incorrect sir. I point out that, following Jon Bonets murder (funnily enough it's the title of this topic) her fathers business had trouble trading, people wouldnt supply him, people wouldnt buy from him.

Its gossip and the rumour mill that created that situation. attempting to justifying it by saying it will only effect their family is ever so short sighted, and not very fair either. Is it?

[Danny]

thats still people involved with them though. but on a global scale, this is not need to know information.

[Dtothe3]

You missed my point.

They are business partners at best, customers and consumers. Their opinion was warped by a Media bias against the Bonets, which resulted in the failure of their business.

Do you think those people would have stopped trading with Jon Bonets parents if they thought they were innocent? The courts couldn't convict them, but a conviction via Media was enough to destroy what little they had left in their lives.

The gist of what I'm getting at is quite simply that their customers had nothing to do with the Bonets personal life, yet they stopped trading with them due to the Media frenzy.

If innocent until proven guilty is disregarded, then that is the result, and to suggest it doesn't affect us, just goes to show how very short sighted your viewpoint is.

[MissJacksonCA]

Innocent til proven guilty just doesn't fly with me... the jurors who determine a persons guilt can be idiots who dont deserve the right to be a juror and let go of the guilty...

I love watching jury interviews where they're all like 'oh my gosh I just couldn't convict him and be able to sleep at night' and then there's the uber religous who go temporarily insane and say stuff like 'that man couldn't possibly have done something that horrible because he just couldn't possibly have it in him to do that' ... riiight... some people can't see the evil that lies within others because they dont have it within themselves... but that doesn't mean its not there... if I ever end up on trial guess who I want on my jury...

I think our justice system is messed up... to let the fate of a person lie in the hands of everyday citizens who may not have even a remedial education is a joke and laughable... any idiot gets to vote for the leader of our country and any fool can serve on a jury... wtf?

[Marie]

I think our justice system is messed up... to let the fate of a person lie in the hands of everyday citizens who may not have even a remedial education is a joke and laughable... any idiot gets to vote for the leader of our country and any fool can serve on a jury... wtf?

I THINK it's called Government of by and for the people. All in all not a bad concept. Wish we did more of it.:D

M_

[MissJacksonCA]

We can call it what we want but it is what it is... in a way its like organized crime... we elect someone to carry out our dirty work and pay them for it... but we dont always outbid the competition and thats how we get shafted by the enemy...

[AcesandEights]

I think our justice system is messed up... to let the fate of a person lie in the hands of everyday citizens who may not have even a remedial education is a joke and laughable... any idiot gets to vote for the leader of our country and any fool can serve on a jury... wtf?

Is this more of your trying to get a rise out of people, Miss J? :bored:

[MissJacksonCA]

I dont try to get a rise out of people i'm not on the radio trying to get more listeners and i'm not a celebrity flashing a crowd to have my picture taken... i'm just stating my beliefs if people dont like it fuggem... actually not fuggem because hey being around people who agree with you is boring... but i'm not trying to get a rise out of folks man i'm just doing what i've done for four or five years on hpotd... giving my haypenny

[Dtothe3]

*sighs*

Trial by jury is extremely important. It's important for these kinds of things to go through the public, contrary to your earlier remarks, not all the public are idiots, thus, not all jurors are idiots.

It does seem like you're trying for a rise MJ, because that kind of radical statement without any suggestion towards continuation, or effect on the country, is often just a thinly disguised troll.

I mean, you could of course explain why you feel this way, and what you would do to improve the situation, right?

[MissJacksonCA]

Well D ... its a personal thing... me and jury hating... people can be hoodwinked by others so easily and people can be bought so easily... I feel most people lack the intelligence and integrity to be impartial and fact weighing jurors... why you ask? Because of trials i've been to with family or friends and personal trial experience... Another problem with jury trials is that they're being paid crap so its not like they're going to do a good job for crap pay... I know that simply because I worked with people for good pay and they did a crap job for it ... Additionally I find people let their own beliefs influence their votes in jury trials...

for instance just recently I was watching a program where the one juror remarked that in the area they were in it wasn't uncommon for a man to hit his wife to keep her in line... and for this woman to murder her husband after years of this treatment was an obscene reaction to something that's normal and part of their way of life... For him to say that its their part of life and that she should just absorb the abuse because that's how it is is riddick... he didn't look at her as defending herself but as having the audacity to in a way fight back...

A trial for a friend of mine who was accused of murdering his father one of the jurors was entirely out of line IMHO because she was upset that a son could strike out at family... nevermind the fact that the man abused his child for 18 years of his life and abused his wife for 30 years and his daughter for 16 years... she felt that he should have gone to the police and that it was some kind of cold blooded murder... like it was a stranger perpetrating a crime on a stranger...

I just dont see a lot of juries weighing the facts without their personal feelings... and that's why of course lawyers pick some jurors and not others and why high priced lawyers will hire behavioral psychs to help them better pick jurors... because you can actually pick people who will vote for you... I think our system is a corrupt and worthless one as long as people can be corrupt...

I suggest we only allow jury less trials wherein the judge is the person to determine guilt and innocence... but instead we get this whole 'jury of our peers' thing that is riddick... our peers know us they read about us when we're on trial but judges can be impartial that's why they're paid the big bucks... the government could save mad amounts of money by not having to pay for juries anymore... but meh... it will never happen... and that's fine too... because when I need a jury I know I can buy an attorney who will select a jury who will accquit... God bless America

*And please note i'm not saying all people are corrupt and all juries incompetent... I know there's good people out there i've met a lot of them since I moved to Texas but there's a lot more who aren't that's why its important to find good people and appreciate them... they're a rare breed