Zeitgeist the Movie and its message

[AcesandEights]

Just wanted to start a conversation here, and it's not going to be in the Media section, because this is not for the purpose of entertainment, but discourse on the message of this film (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/) and how it relates to your personal political, social and world views.

If you have not seen this film, then...well, what would be the constructive purpose of you commenting on it or the associated issues? I am looking for opinions on it and if you have not seen it or have no plans on seeing it, then let this topic pass you by.

Assuming you have seen this, what do you think? How much do you believe? How little? What are you using as a basis for your opinion? What are you most skeptical about?

[capncnut]

Mmm, I saw about two-thirds of this and it's not easy to discuss, given the fact that most religious debates go down like a lead balloon on this forum. But yeah, I find this movie refreshing in a sense that the guy who directed/narrated it has clearly done his research to depict the Earth and everything related in a logical light based on the things that are REAL to humans and not text written by another man thousands of years before. I would love it if folks who let God run their lives would just sit down and watch this and most non-devouts would throw away their bibles in a second.

I have to say the middle section about 9/11 didn't really interest me as I have heard all those conspiracy theories before. Yes, it's interesting. No, it will never be proved and no, I don't like watching the same stuff over and over again. But, I applaud the guy on his research into banking and politics. It's a scary situation and indeed, the world is nothing but a stage.

Zeitgeist is definitely worth a viewing for those who are curious about life, the Earth, religion and politics. The tragic part is that folks will probably see it as troublemaking and s**t stirring when all the director is actually doing is presenting FACTS based on a long research period. The ironic part is the folks who might accuse him of troublemaking are closedminded simpletons who give their lives over to a book that causes more death and destruction than all the world wars put together.

[Debbieangel]

Ok I watched the film and I found it disgusting this guy took words from the Bible and made them what he wanted them to be..he did his research and fit his research and tore the Bible apart. My opinion..its a bunch of rubbish!!!
If you take anything you can tear it apart and make it fit into what you are trying to say and make it sound logical. There are alot of unknowns that nobody can explain why try to tear someone's beliefs apart?
I have seen alot in my life and I have seen MY GOD do alot in my life and alot of other peoples too. SO, I will continue to believe in Him,Jesus and the Holy Spirit! Like I have said before God gives us freedom to choose how we want to believe!

[capncnut]

...it's not easy to discuss, given the fact that most religious debates go down like a lead balloon on this forum.
See what I mean? :rolleyes:


I have seen alot in my life and I have seen MY GOD do alot in my life and alot of other peoples too. SO, I will continue to believe in Him,Jesus and the Holy Spirit!
So who does he look like the most, Robert Powell, Willem Dafoe or James Caviezel? :D

[AcesandEights]

See what I mean? :rolleyes::D

Yup ...Hmmm, happy smiley or sad smiley...:(

(It's ashame too, because most of what was documented in that film...of all the things that are actually verifiable from any sort of historical record...the religious stuff pretty much speaks for itself.)

[capncnut]

Yup ...Hmmm, happy smiley or sad smiley...:(
This one > :evil:


It's ashame too, because most of what was documented in that film... of all the things that are actually verifiable from any sort of historical record... the religious stuff pretty much speaks for itself.
Indeed, the guy never made up one single lie in the entire documentary and spoke FACTS that almost everyone on the planet will agree to except Christians.

[Debbieangel]

Atleast I gave the film a view before I spoke!
There is a few things to learn about fellas, ya dont argue politics,sex, or religion it just dont pay in the end!
You either end up fighting or making enemies and I refuse to do that, I said what I had to say and I am not going to argue with you !
I find as I get older life is just to short to waste arguing..so let go and whatever..I was gonna say God but again I dont want to argue!lol

[AcesandEights]

There is a few things to learn about fellas, ya dont argue politics,sex, or religion it just dont pay in the end!

I refuse to only have discussions with people who agree with me, it's bad for the soul and rots the brain.

Of course, I also think discussion stemming from differing viewpoints does not, in and of itself, constitute "arguing."

[Yojimbo]

I refuse to only have discussions with people who agree with me, it's bad for the soul and rots the brain.

Of course, I also think discussion stemming from differing viewpoints does not, in and of itself, constitute "arguing."

Aces I see your point and agree that discussion does not equate automatically to arguing, however religion being a topic about which people are very passionate can often lead many to feel slighted or insulted when their viewpoints aren't accepted as "gospel" (anti or pro viewpoint spouting people are equally to blame on this) As I have seen even here on these pages where everyone is pretty cool and cooperative, it doesn't take long before people get really angry and start slinging $hit at each other. Soon, the entire discussion is not longer productive. So, in this sense, I can understand what Debbie means about avoiding the minefield that is religion and politics. Many will take a counter argument as a personal attack and soon people are scratching each other's eyes out over a difference in opinion.

That thread not too long ago about illegal immigration, for instance, did not last very long before someone forced the moderators to close it down.

It is, admittedly, very sad that these topics cannot be explored and debated without people getting their feelings hurt, since what a great opportunity the topics of religion and politics provide people to explore opposing viewpoints and engage in fascinating debates. It would be great if we could all be mature and level-headed about our respective differences, but people are just not that way. If we all could be like Fonzie and be cool, then I suppose we wouldn't have the conflicts and issues that make up the history of mankind: Wars, Drive-By Shootings, Tabloids, Plastic Surgery.


My post, of course, is a digression from the actual topic of this thread, so I apologize. You have sparked my curiosity about this film and I want to check it out the first chance I get.

[DVW5150]

Google "Power of Nightmares".
Thats a simular theological approach to the rise of neo-conservatives
& radical muslims.
It does deal with why political disillusioment has taken our world into a downward spiral.


Debbie, the 'Power of Nightmares' might not make you as mad.
Captn, you might not like it, because it deals with (partly) 9/11.
I want to understand why the radical Muslim movement got so strong, it helped me understand that.
So there it is ...

[capncnut]

I really enjoyed the documentary, and yeah, youre right about me not liking the 9/11 part. I'm sick to death of seeing those f**king planes hit that building!

The rest of it was absolutely spot on though...

[Marie]

I don't debate religon anymore, it's like arguing with a fool, passerby can't tell the difference.:D

We'll know when we're dead. I have my faith as to what will happen, if it makes you feel better to believe it's nothing, so be it.:)

M_

[Debbieangel]

I have to say I thought I had watched the whole thing but it cut out on me, I will have to watch it sometime this week when I have time. It cut out right when 9/11 and the airplanes hit the buildings and wouldnt come back on so I thought I had watched it all. hmmm I wondered why the numbers were different on the running time. Anyway, I will give it a view later and make an honest effort with it.:)

[Debbieangel]

Aces I finally got to finish Zeitgeist and I found it very interesting to say the least. I was ready to say this guy is crap, but, I watched it through to the end and I tell you the truth it actually helped me validate my beliefs even in my head!
I have sat in may evangelists sermons and at the end of this movie it says about the one world order! That is exactly what I have learned through the years plus, the chip for indentification! Evangelists have preached this for years this isnt anything new to me about the chip that is! For me my beliefs stand firm even after viewing this film!

I found all of it very interesting and alot to think about!