Is it worth getting a mac?

[Danny]

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So im thinking about selling my sou- derrr i mean getting a mac, in my digital media production class im using an imac and im finding it much more user freindly and reliable than any windows pc ive ever used, and im the type to fill his desktop with shortcuts becuase i like everything to be a click away, and with an imac youve got that, see it balances out like this.

Dannys hunk 'o crap -
1:only a 40gig hard drive
2:no firewire connection which ,as you can imagine, can cause problems when transferring in video from a camera that can only do it via firewire.
3:no editign programs other than movie maker
4:can be outrun by le pace ala snails
5: needs to be reformatted every so often, hence the hunk o' crap title.

The imac danny uses in class -
1:400gig hard drive
2:does have the connctions dv cameras need
3:much simpler to use, least i find it that way.
4:comes with programs like final cut pro as well as various other sound and video suites
5:not a hunk 'o crap

See, ive seen this particular computer here: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0842653945.119643176 3@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceiaddmjgdjeeecflgceggdhhmdgml.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=000544&category_oid=

theres others sligthyl better but thats an example, thats half the price of pc weve got at home in the kitchen and thats a pile of junk by todays standards and its only 4 years old.

So anyone got any experience to say which one, form a film making or just general use point of view is the way to go?

[Mike70]

we have never had anything other than macs. i think pcs are absolute junk. they crash, they are prone to viruses and all manner of chicanery. they are (in my opinion) much easier to work with and deal with than pcs.

now if you have a computer mostly to play games on-you probably want to stick with a pc-it seems that a lot of games are not made with mac compatible versions.

you also have trouble running things like shockwave.

other than that i think there is absolutely no comparison.

in my opinion macs are sports cars and pcs are yugos.

i will fess up- i am not some IT geek nor do i have a degree in computer science (it's in classics- at least the grad degree is) so i wrote the above with the full understanding that some pc fanboy is going to get on here and spout off an endless string of techno babble to impress us all as to why pcs are the shizz. that won't matter to me. i'll still think they suck based on my own experience.

[Danny]

games?, on pc?!?, aside from the odd game of warcraft i never play games on a pc thats....wrong, its just wrong.
nah im after something for internet browsing, script writing, editing vidoe adn sound, stuff like tht,i know a mac does all that too adn in a much easier to use way, plus warcraft does play on them too so...

[3pidemiC]

There are many reasons why I would suggest not getting a Mac.

The biggest reason is that they are proprietary. This means that Mac and Mac only makes the parts for the computer. This means, that if a piece of hardware fails or you want to upgrade, you have to go back Mac to get the part and have them repair it. As a result of having no competition, Mac can charge whatever the hell they want for this part and you are forced to pay it because you don't have any other choices. Also, because of them being proprietary you have an extrememly limited choice on what can actually be added onto the computer. There are no third-party manufacturers.

Despite what people say about PCs being prone to viruses and spyware, it is false if you have any common sense. Acquire a decent anti-spyware/virus program such as the free SuperAntiSpyware and you are all set. Do not use programs like Limewire, Bearshare, or P2P sharing software as that is almost a garuntee that you will get infected. Don't click on pop-up ads (get a pop-up blocker like the google toolbar) and do not download email attachments. You should be fine if you follow those simple steps.

You can not game on Macs. Unless you want to shell out even more money into you already-overpriced machine and put Windows XP onto it, you are going to be extrememly limited on what games can be played on the machine.

So the jist is, don't get a Mac.

[Mike70]

games?, on pc?!?, aside from the odd game of warcraft i never play games on a pc thats....wrong, its just wrong.

totally agree. first generation video game kid here. playing on a computer seems, well, heretical somehow.

[Danny]

word bitch, NES like a mother****er!:lol:


There are many reasons why I would suggest not getting a Mac.

The biggest reason is that they are proprietary. This means that Mac and Mac only makes the parts for the computer. This means, that if a piece of hardware fails or you want to upgrade, you have to go back Mac to get the part and have them repair it. As a result of having no competition, Mac can charge whatever the hell they want for this part and you are forced to pay it because you don't have any other choices. Also, because of them being proprietary you have an extrememly limited choice on what can actually be added onto the computer. There are no third-party manufacturers.

Despite what people say about PCs being prone to viruses and spyware, it is false if you have any common sense. Acquire a decent anti-spyware/virus program such as the free SuperAntiSpyware and you are all set. Do not use programs like Limewire, Bearshare, or P2P sharing software as that is almost a garuntee that you will get infected. Don't click on pop-up ads (get a pop-up blocker like the google toolbar) and do not download email attachments. You should be fine if you follow those simple steps.

You can not game on Macs. Unless you want to shell out even more money into you already-overpriced machine and put Windows XP onto it, you are going to be extrememly limited on what games can be played on the machine.

So the jist is, don't get a Mac.


thats true, but i do own a pc allready, but for working with when it comes to films and whatnot i feel a mac more suited adn wanted more of an opinion on that, this pc may be a hunk of junk but that doesnt mean my cheap ass is gonna throw it away.

[Mike70]

The biggest reason is that they are proprietary. This means that Mac and Mac only makes the parts for the computer. This means, that if a piece of hardware fails or you want to upgrade, you have to go back Mac to get the part and have them repair it. As a result of having no competition, Mac can charge whatever the hell they want for this part and you are forced to pay it because you don't have any other choices. Also, because of them being proprietary you have an extrememly limited choice on what can actually be added onto the computer. There are no third-party manufacturers.


yaaaawwwwnnnn. in 10 years of using macs we have never had a problem. in the few times we have had to get something for the computer i have had no gripes about price. one good thing about being proprietary vs. pcs- any yahoo out there can make crap pc parts and sell them. cheap does not necessarily equal good, in fact in very often does not.

this is my last word on this. there is NOTHING that will change my mind.

[Mutineer]

The only real thing Mac has going for them is their hype propaganda machine and all of the, er, zombies, that follow it blindly.

One machine cannot do something the other cannot. Period. (Sans use proprietory software).

I personally find that the PC Pro's outweigh the Mac.

I don't dislike Mac, but I have zero need to use one.

[PJoseph]

Yes, get a Mac.


pJ

[panic]

Macs seem fine for people who want to use them for something which Macs do well -- things like video, photo, and music.

However, bear in mind that:

1. Macs are quite a bit SLOWER;
2. Macs have much more LIMITED GRAPHICS capabilities;
3. Macs are hell of a lot LESS VERSATILE hardware-wise;
4. Only a small fraction of software IS EVER ported to Mac OS.

In summary, as the Macs are fine as long as your trying to do something that Macs do well.

/p

[Legion2213]

Regarding PC's being prone to viruses...when was the last time any of the PC owners here got one?

As 3pidemiC says, decent anti-virus/mallware and generally being sensible should see that you never get any nasties.

[DjfunkmasterG]

A Media/Film editing friendly MAC can run you big bucks. I have seen rigs start at $8,000.00 just for Video production and film editing.

I can build an entire PC, faster and with more Hard Drive Space for $3,000.00 and it would run AVID or SONY VEGAS. With so many PC parts companies fighting for your $$$$ it is easy to find good deals.

[Danny]

"SONY VEGAS!", all cap's mind.:lol:

[DjfunkmasterG]

SONY VEGAS deserves to be in all CAPS. :elol:

[Danny]

it just seems to be a more complicated version of windows movie maker to me, sorry man but i prefer final cut or adobe premier me'self.

*djs head explodes like a gooey volcano...or that dude in scanners*

[GingeUK]

Like Dj says, MAC's can cost a lot of money to do a good job.

Personally, if you partition your drives and keep up to date with your Anti Virus software and drivers you should be fine with a rig of a high spec PC for the same price of a PC, especially if you construct it yourself. I managed to get an Intel Dual Core 2.67 Ghz, 2GB RAM, GT8600 GT and 500 GB Hard Drive PC with a 22" TFT Monitor earlier in the year for £300 less than what my friend paid for a 2 Ghz iMac.

[livingdeadboy]

Personally, I'm a Mac nerd, I love my computer, but once again. Aside from the internet, I only use it for video editing. Which is great.

But with that being said, I've used PC's as well, and have done some great work with them. We've cut music videos on Final Cut then brought them over to SONY VEGAS for a little clean up. Either or is fine and dandy.

[Khardis]

If you want to play graphically insane games that require quad cores dual video cards etc then go with a PC.

If you want a good all around computer than doesnt crash, doesnt slow down, doesnt bog up with virus r spyware and is superior in editing graphics, film, sound and has its own plugged in fan base, then go with an Imac, I got an Imac, I wont ever use a PC again, I do my gaming on m 360 and my Wii, other than WoW that is. And WoW plays perfectly.

[3pidemiC]

My girlfriend's sister has a Mac and it does crash and it is pretty damn slow. It's the reality of having any kind of computer. Hardware can not always keep up with newer software that requires a faster part.

[Mutineer]

Vegas is like Moviemaker ?

Huh ?

Try using it. It is powerful, intuitive and simply kicks ass.

VEGAS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ivarr]

There used to be more clear reasons to use one vs the other ...

Now things are a little more gray ... if only that MAC's are no longer "MAC's". They are just moderatly overpriced PC's running a version of Unix with a GUI front end.

It is no longer true that if your into video or graphics ... you buy a MAC. (If it ever has been).

If you buy a MAC Book, you can actually just load windows on it and its a PC...

They are not bad or dumb or better... they are just made for a less computer literate base. (Being less computer literate than the average PC power user is not a crime)

Honestly ... It comes down to this ... if you believe the apple is better hype ... buy one .... you most likely would anyway.

If not ... realize you can build your own mega powerful PC with choice parts for as much or far less (depending on how good you shop) than you can buy a good model MAC.

In the end ... it really doesn't matter if you really are never going to do much more than web surfing... email/word processing and other base line things.

I just like to think back to the old MAC ad....

"The most powerful computer is the one people are using!" Sad for them ... it has never really been a MAC. (Market share)

I am also a bit anoid at them for still shipping with a one button mouse when they have supported two button mice for years.

[Khardis]

Yes lets buy a mega powerful PC with no resale value, crashes constantly, has no real warranty, is forced to run windows (unless you get linux) and basically needs to be nuked every few months to remove the oodles upon oodles of spyware, broken library strings in the CMD and viruses. Sign me up!

My story is that I used to be into all that. My PC was basically for gaming and Photoshop. Except I had the pleasure of it crapping out on my usually once a year or every other year because of the faulty crapola OS (Windows BLEH) and substandard hardware I purchased off of NewEgg. Then my brother bought an IBook, I was skeptical at 1st, but gave it a shot. I was blown away at how awesome OS X was, how flawlessly cool the notebook remained after abusive usage. I bought an Imac, at this moment it has been running since Leopard was released, I haven't turned it off since I installed that, its not slow, its not sluggish, has no viruses, no spyware its as if i just took it out of the box.

Before I installed Leopard it hadnt been restarted or shut off in something like 5 months, I have had it for about 2 years now and on average I restart it or turn it off once every 6 months.

Try that with a PC, I assure you that within 30 days it will be so slow, so bogged down with errors, leaky memory usage etc that it will force you to reboot it, and even then you still gotta load up all your antivirus and spykiller apps to clean it up.

I switched to a Mac because I want a computer, not a part time job in computer maintenance. I play WoW and several other games on my Mac, but I have since switched to using my 360 and Wii far more since they are more fun than computer gaming. Macs aren't just an OS, they come cherry picked with the best hardware tested to see how well they work together. Try that with a PC, oh wait, then you would have to order from Dell or Gateway or who ever and still end up paying a grand or more for a good computer with all the support and warranty and such.

[GingeUK]

Yes lets buy a mega powerful PC with no resale value, crashes constantly, has no real warranty, is forced to run windows (unless you get linux) and basically needs to be nuked every few months to remove the oodles upon oodles of spyware, broken library strings in the CMD and viruses. Sign me up!

You must be doing something wrong then, because if you know how to look after your computer you wont come up against those problems very often. To say that the Mac would never do those things is a little short sighted as I have seen it done numerous times.



Try that with a PC, I assure you that within 30 days it will be so slow, so bogged down with errors, leaky memory usage etc that it will force you to reboot it, and even then you still gotta load up all your antivirus and spykiller apps to clean it up.

I have had my new PC for a little over 8 months now and it has never crashed on me yet. I play games on it, download music along with a whole host of other things and it is still running just as good as it did when I first put it together.

What I find funny is that quite a few Mac users swear blindly that they never have problems with their computers and that it never happens, yet it's obvious that it does. The same can be said for PC's. However, like I said above if you know how to take care of your hardware then you should have no problems, regardless of whether it is a Mac or PC.

[Mutineer]

Blah blah blah Khardis

I've using PC's for a decade without incident; gaming, NLE's, business, graphic art ...

Most people buy MACs because they think that is what is cool and hip. Mac sells an image and they must be doing something right with 6.1% of US Computer sales and not even palcing in the TOP 5 Internationally :confused: :rolleyes:

Hype and propanganda. They sell an 'i' life. They both do the same thing but a PC far outweighs the Mac in PRo's; from custom builds, massive competition (lower pricing) and more options across the board.

I again say, I have zero issues with Mac, I could use one or the other, but why ? The only thing annoying are the clones that believe the hype.

[3pidemiC]

Yes lets buy a mega powerful PC with no resale value, crashes constantly, has no real warranty, is forced to run windows (unless you get linux) and basically needs to be nuked every few months to remove the oodles upon oodles of spyware, broken library strings in the CMD and viruses. Sign me up!

Once again, if you are not a novice with a PC then you do not have to worry about spyware/viruses. Any person with common sense can avoid that. I think that gaining the knowledge on how to avoid and protect against these threads is a lot smarter than paying double for something that does it for me.

Please explain how PCs have no real warranty? I work at a computer parts reseller and I can assure that a majority of PC components have a LEAST a 3 year warranty through their manufacturers.



Try that with a PC, I assure you that within 30 days it will be so slow, so bogged down with errors, leaky memory usage etc that it will force you to reboot it, and even then you still gotta load up all your antivirus and spykiller apps to clean it up.

Not true. If you are someone that has no knowledge on how to properly care for a PC then yes, that will happen. But the same can be said for a Mac. If you do not know how to properly take care of it, the same thing will happen.


. Macs aren't just an OS, they come cherry picked with the best hardware tested to see how well they work together. Try that with a PC, oh wait, then you would have to order from Dell or Gateway or who ever and still end up paying a grand or more for a good computer with all the support and warranty and such.

Every hear of building your own custom PC? Try that with a Mac, oh wait, you can't customize your Mac because you do not have a choice on what goes into it.

[Khardis]

You must be doing something wrong then, because if you know how to look after your computer you wont come up against those problems very often. To say that the Mac would never do those things is a little short sighted as I have seen it done numerous times.



I have had my new PC for a little over 8 months now and it has never crashed on me yet. I play games on it, download music along with a whole host of other things and it is still running just as good as it did when I first put it together.

What I find funny is that quite a few Mac users swear blindly that they never have problems with their computers and that it never happens, yet it's obvious that it does. The same can be said for PC's. However, like I said above if you know how to take care of your hardware then you should have no problems, regardless of whether it is a Mac or PC.

Whats short sighted? I have had my mac for some time now, I keep it online constantly, I browse torrent sites, its yet to get any thing. I dont even use a Virus protector. I remember getting a virus on my old PC the day I plugged it into the Cable without a virus scanner. It took less than an hour and I had to wipe my HD.

What I find funny is all the Mac hatred out there, its too expensive, its just a cool looking PC, its this its that. You could buy a computer thats way better if you build it yourself blah blah blah. Of course you could make a "stronger" computer, but that doesnt make it better, especially what with the blue screen rate of a PC. 8 Months and no crashes? Impressive, you must have the 1 of a billion PCs that does that. although I highly doubt it. Do you run a virus scanner, spam blocker, spyware killer?


Blah blah blah Khardis

I've using PC's for a decade without incident; gaming, NLE's, business, graphic art ...

Most people buy MACs because they think that is what is cool and hip. Mac sells an image and they must be doing something right with 6.1% of US Computer sales and not even palcing in the TOP 5 Internationally :confused: :rolleyes:

Hype and propanganda. They sell an 'i' life. They both do the same thing but a PC far outweighs the Mac in PRo's; from custom builds, massive competition (lower pricing) and more options across the board.

I again say, I have zero issues with Mac, I could use one or the other, but why ? The only thing annoying are the clones that believe the hype.

Ive been using PCs since before they were PCs, before Windows and before GUI OS's when I was a little kid, and I am not talking about the old Apples either.

After 26 years of using PCs and a recent switch to the Mac, I can say 1 thing only: WHAT THE HELL WAS I WAITING FOR?!

The Mac was like a breath of fresh air. It did everything my PC did and more. Especially in stuff like editing video for my film class. (Original reason I bought a Mac). Yeah yeah I cant upgrade the hell out of it, but when you think about it, you really cant for a PC either, especially as they age, you tend to have to buy new stuff... oh my video card isn't good, I need a new one (or two) I better get them, damn they don't work with my mobo, better get another one, ooops, now I need new ram, DDR1 isn't compatible anymore with this one, ok got that, Oh shoot, this power supply isn't good enough to power my Quad-core, it produces heat, I better get one with a better fan.. etc etc etc. I ended up building an entirely new PC every year or other year when I was a PC gaming junkie.

In your wrong opinion you think apple is selling an image, but you're wrong, obviously. They're selling a very worthy product. A top of the line computer that rates better than the common PC especially in terms of longevity, resale value and usage. Yeah maybe you cant buy the newest games for PC gaming, but again... who cares. If I want to play games I use my Xbox or Wii, why the hell would I want to spend 600-1000 dollars building a new computer simply for gaming? Its why people wont buy a PS3.

Market share etc is the same old tired Mac hating BS that Mac Haters love to spew... I don't understand... So because Macs aren't as common as a crappy PC (sold at wal mart by the way now) they are inferior? Thats like saying Porches, Lexus', Caddy, BMWs and Mercedes are crap because more people drive junky 10,000 dollar lemons. Mac arent for everyone, specifically theyre not for people who believe that market share determines the quality of a product. I mean does McDonalds make a better burger than Rapid rays because McDonalds sells billions a year in an international market while Rapid rays caters to summer tourists in Saco Maine?


Once again, if you are not a novice with a PC then you do not have to worry about spyware/viruses. Any person with common sense can avoid that. I think that gaining the knowledge on how to avoid and protect against these threads is a lot smarter than paying double for something that does it for me.

Please explain how PCs have no real warranty? I work at a computer parts reseller and I can assure that a majority of PC components have a LEAST a 3 year warranty through their manufacturers.




Not true. If you are someone that has no knowledge on how to properly care for a PC then yes, that will happen. But the same can be said for a Mac. If you do not know how to properly take care of it, the same thing will happen.



Every hear of building your own custom PC? Try that with a Mac, oh wait, you can't customize your Mac because you do not have a choice on what goes into it.

Heh, yeah thats what people want to do work for a computer business, and or go to school for computer science to "not have to worry about spyware/viruses."

I am not a novice, by a long shot. I do know how to protect my PC from virus, key loggers, phish attacks, spyware, malware and every other "Negative" ware out there that makes owning a PC suck. But why the hell would I want to deal with all that? I don't like having to wait for protection programs, firewalls, virus, spam, malware scans to complete. I just want to get on my computer and do what I need to do. I don't want to buy a car with a leaky engine, bust axel and missing a muffler either over a nice fresh BMW simply because I know how to make the former car still work most of the time.

Have I heard of building a custom PC? hmm let me think.. YES. I did it almost every year when I was still into PC gaming. Just because you cant rip open a mac and add stuff in doesn't mean its a bad machine, I mean I can just ya know.. pick the mac that suits my needs instead and have it all come, already compatible, ready to go, warranty for the whole machine and all parts etc.. which leads me to my next point:

PCs (the ones you build yourself) have no warranty... and going through the HELLISH NIGHTMARE of customer Service for parts for your computer is absurd. The last PC I build was 3 years ago, I ordered the mobo, 2 kickass video cards, 2G of ram, a tricked out Dual core 64 with a nutso fan etc ya know the whole friggin shibang. Anyway, all the stuff arrives and here was what I got:

A broken motherboard.
the dual core
1 video card, which was only a 256
and a stock fan/power supply.

Basically the companies I ordered from screwed 90% of my order up.

I got most of it fixed within a week or 2 of getting it, which took a week so thats 3 or 4 weeks since they billed me. However the damned company I bought the motherboard from refused to refund my money at 1st, then after an hour or 2 of talking to various Indian people said they would refund me, but would have to charge me a restocking fee (for their mistake) They didn't even have any more of the same mobo in stock.

All in all it actually took me about 5 weeks in total to get everything I paid for and all working together. I think it cost close to 800 dollars.

This was the last time I dealt with that, things like that happend EVERY TIME though that I wanted to build a PC unless I went to a computer faire and bought the parts there off the racks. And the 1 time I tried that they sold me bum Ram and a video-card that didn't work. I mean, where does it end?

Screw all that. If I need a new comp now, I just go to the apple site, pick out the computer I need, order it up, and get it. Done deal.

[Mutineer]

The Mac was like a breath of fresh air. It did everything my PC did and more. Especially in stuff like editing video for my film class. (Original reason I bought a Mac).

And more ? Like what ? :rolleyes:

I'll take the tasters choice with FCP any day over my Vegas. And I don't need to buy the computer to run it. LOL




Yeah yeah I cant upgrade the hell out of it, but when you think about it, you really cant for a PC either, especially as they age, you tend to have to buy new stuff... oh my video card isn't good, I need a new one (or two) I better get them, damn they don't work with my mobo, better get another one, ooops, now I need new ram, DDR1 isn't compatible anymore with this one, ok got that, Oh shoot, this power supply isn't good enough to power my Quad-core, it produces heat, I better get one with a better fan.. etc etc etc. I ended up building an entirely new PC every year or other year when I was a PC gaming junkie.


Haven't experienced this issue. I've been running the same Dell for over 3 years; dual Intel Xeon's, 256 MBGC .... ZERO issues. Still smokes, ever reliable.

Upgrading ? There are a million different suppliers and manufactuers in the PC market; what does that mean ? Competition. Mac has, Mac.


In your wrong opinion you think apple is selling an image, but you're wrong, obviously. They're selling a very worthy product. A top of the line computer that rates better than the common PC especially in terms of longevity, resale value and usage. Yeah maybe you cant buy the newest games for PC gaming, but again... who cares. If I want to play games I use my Xbox or Wii, why the hell would I want to spend 600-1000 dollars building a new computer simply for gaming? Its why people wont buy a PS3.

Opinion's are wrong ? They do make a worthy product, I never said they didn;t ? You're blind if you can't see beyond the hype and image they have created. Look to the annoyingly pompous commercials of late. (Hip young kid -vs- bald business dude) They oughta be ashamed of selling that image.

No one hates Macs. They just hate prentencious pompous Macusers. :D

I mean, you really think Mac's are better but can't give one reason why. It's the same effin thing ! Diffferent OS, different looks


Market share etc is the same old tired Mac hating BS that Mac Haters love to spew... I don't understand... So because Macs aren't as common as a crappy PC (sold at wal mart by the way now) they are inferior? Thats like saying Porches, Lexus', Caddy, BMWs and Mercedes are crap because more people drive junky 10,000 dollar lemons. Mac arent for everyone, specifically theyre not for people who believe that market share determines the quality of a product. I mean does McDonalds make a better burger than Rapid rays because McDonalds sells billions a year in an international market while Rapid rays caters to summer tourists in Saco Maine?

Comparing a Mac to a PC with a BMW to a Lemon is a joke and not in good debate. Not with the worlds TOP 500 fastest computers all being on a PC platform (or GNL/Linux) et al (Not a single Mac).


Dude. Wake up.

They are both machines doing the same thing with personal preference being the only logical debate.

ILM uses Intel PC's, The WETA Supercomputers all use IBM XEONS (Linux)

Jesus, even Mac went with Intel processors to try and keep up. That's the funniest part. 70 % of the worlds fastest supercomputers use Intel processors on PC specific platforms (I got's two of them procsessor thingy's).

One can use most anything these days; PC, Mac, Linus, Windows, Firefox, Ford, Chevy

Who cares when they all do the same thing. But don't buy into the hype and don't think you actually have a better product. You may have paid more for less, but that don't make it better.

:lol:

[Danny]

you know after mroe time with them im pretty set that im going to get a mac as i just prefer them, its a sahme that a geniune request for opinions turned into a pc vs mac debate instead of actually answering the question i asked, which only 3 or 4 of you did.:bored:

[DjfunkmasterG]

Khardis,

the parts problem must be you or whom you chose to order from because I have beenusing newegg.com for 3+ years and have had zero problems or broken parts from them.

PC's aren't as deathly as you make them out to be. I leave my PC online 24/7 connected to a 128bit encrypted wireless network, which has another PC connected to it. I am using WINDOWS XP and the installation of XP currently on the system is the one that has been on it since I built it in March 2007. My Previous PC was an AMD Single Core 64 3700+ which had its windows install for 22 months with no issues. I had no viruses, no issues whatsoever.

If you were stupid enough to hook up your PC to the internet with no Virus protection you deserved to be zapped right off the bat. However, if you were smart you would have connected it to a network to prevent that from happening.

The only reason I may ever go MAC is for FCP, but since VEGAS does such an excellent job and has all the features I need, why upgrade to something else when the thing I have works flawlessly. Not too mention why spend $10,000 on a MAC that is now capable of running WIN XP when I can build a more kick ass PC for 1/4 of the price, and it will run circles around the MAC.

In the end neither CAMP will win the argument, and anyone who tries, or thinks they can is full of sh1t. PC's have their niche as do MAC's. It is all preference.

Also lets talk about warranties... Khardis you stated there is no warranty on PC parts... strange. My HDD came with a 5 year warranty, my motherboard a 3 year warranty, video card 3 years etc etc. You know how many warranty repairs I have needed in my years of playing with PC's? NONE!

I have never had a part wear out, I usually upgrade way before that happens and sell the used part on eBay and make half my money back. Your information is flawed and inaccurate and maybe you should do some research before opening your mouth again, because everytime you do you have your ass handed to you by someone in the know. Since you don't know Jack maybe you should stay out of the conversations, or only interject what you know 100%.

[GingeUK]

blue screen rate of a PC

8 Months and have yet to have the blue screen of death. The PC's I edit on at work have also yet to experience this. Like one poster said above it is down to personal preference, but the way in which Mac fans seem to defend their product to the death without giving any credit to the bigger competitors (PC's) is a little silly.

[Legion2213]

My laptop is over 6 months old...just as swift as the day I bought it, no viruses, no BSoD, no freeze ups, no problems, just smooth sailing...oh, and I am also running the leper OS that is known as "Vista Home Premium".

I've nothing against Macs, never used one, I do get a bit sick of the BS that's spouted against PC's though (and those Linux folks who heap the same abuse on Windows).

[Mutineer]

you know after mroe time with them im pretty set that im going to get a mac as i just prefer them, its a sahme that a geniune request for opinions turned into a pc vs mac debate instead of actually answering the question i asked, which only 3 or 4 of you did.:bored:

I think we all have answered your questioned hellsing !

It sounds like you want an iMAC. Price it out and go for it.

Not one is better than the other and if you believe it is, you are really, really misinformed.

Both PC and Mac are awesome solutions to the endgoal; making and cutting films. I cannot emplore enough though, Mac is not better nor is PC.

There will be variations in options and pricing, pros and cons of each. I find most of these to be neglible.

Want a Mac ? Go for it baby. I think whichever you choose will be a good one.

But please; don't start believing the hype.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Any PC or MAC can get a BSOD. With todays technology the BSOD isn't faulty software or viruses, it is usually faulty hardware. This can also happen on MAC's. I recently did a PC build for someone and the RAM chips were bad, so I exchanged them for another set and voila, the PC worked flawlessly.

Windows 98 was known for BSOD because of memory leaks, something XP fixed and has no issues with, and XP continues to be M$'s most stable operating system. So stable infact Dell gives you the option to choose XP over VISTA when ordering new Computers.

One of the reasons I won't go over to vista is because of cost. Vista is stable, but the cost of the ultimate edition is way too much and is not justifiable in my opinion. Especially when I can buy an OEM version of XP pro for $120.00 vs Vista Ultimate for $299.00

[DubiousComforts]

In the end neither CAMP will win the argument, and anyone who tries, or thinks they can is full of sh1t. PC's have their niche as do MAC's. It is all preference.
Amen. I've used both Mac and PC professionally and there is no difference. For all the hype, it's not like Mac users get their work done any faster or more efficiently. I've spent just as much time waiting for graphics from Mac users as I have from PC users.

[Mutineer]

It goes back to Mac and thier marketing strategy.

Image, image image.

Is there aything wrong with this ? Hell no. It's creative marketing. But is isn't any different than a PC. They both are made of plastic and have silicon processors (ATi or Intel usually), Monitors and a Tower. They use different browsers to surf the web and they have a different OS. As does Linux, IBM and Unix in varying degrees.

Mac has taken the steps to make thier product stand out with modern and hip styling. They are demoing towards a demographic; males of 17 - 24 of age.

Nothing wrong with that approach.

I don't think anyone hates Mac users, but it's funny to see these guys proclaiming they have something unique and different and coming across as prentencious about it; SEE the damn commericials.

Oh jeez; enough said I suppose.

[Ivarr]

And wile it is fashionable to bash Microsoft... keep in mind that without windows ... and with it the "majority" of computer owners using it ... we would never have had the explosion of the Internet....

And that happened because of the Web .... and ... Netscape.... then Internet Explorer....

Why did Netscape loose? when they demanded $1200.00 (base)for the right to have an ISP provide it for its customers for download....

(It was my job at the time... I worked for the largest ISP in New England at the time)

And Microsoft ... those bastards were giving IE away for free... how dare they! And to add insult to injury ... they even gave us an SDK to brand the browser for ourselves.... and it even included a dialer ... (days long before broadband)

Is Microsoft perfect? Please.... far from ....

But not everything is perfect and rosey at Apple either....

And running any computer without an anti-virus is like saying "I don't use condoms because I hardly ever get laid... so how could I get an STD?"

[Khardis]

BSOD is a Windows issue, not a Mac issue so I gotta disagree on that one. Using the Unix type of system, if an error occurs on a mac, the program crashes out and closes down while the system stays up and keeps running. This isn't always so in Windows, too often will a program encounter a fatal error and crash the entire thing and take me to a BSOD especially when its leaking memory.


Khardis,

the parts problem must be you or whom you chose to order from because I have beenusing newegg.com for 3+ years and have had zero problems or broken parts from them.

PC's aren't as deathly as you make them out to be. I leave my PC online 24/7 connected to a 128bit encrypted wireless network, which has another PC connected to it. I am using WINDOWS XP and the installation of XP currently on the system is the one that has been on it since I built it in March 2007. My Previous PC was an AMD Single Core 64 3700+ which had its windows install for 22 months with no issues. I had no viruses, no issues whatsoever.

If you were stupid enough to hook up your PC to the internet with no Virus protection you deserved to be zapped right off the bat. However, if you were smart you would have connected it to a network to prevent that from happening.

The only reason I may ever go MAC is for FCP, but since VEGAS does such an excellent job and has all the features I need, why upgrade to something else when the thing I have works flawlessly. Not too mention why spend $10,000 on a MAC that is now capable of running WIN XP when I can build a more kick ass PC for 1/4 of the price, and it will run circles around the MAC.

In the end neither CAMP will win the argument, and anyone who tries, or thinks they can is full of sh1t. PC's have their niche as do MAC's. It is all preference.

Also lets talk about warranties... Khardis you stated there is no warranty on PC parts... strange. My HDD came with a 5 year warranty, my motherboard a 3 year warranty, video card 3 years etc etc. You know how many warranty repairs I have needed in my years of playing with PC's? NONE!

I have never had a part wear out, I usually upgrade way before that happens and sell the used part on eBay and make half my money back. Your information is flawed and inaccurate and maybe you should do some research before opening your mouth again, because everytime you do you have your ass handed to you by someone in the know. Since you don't know Jack maybe you should stay out of the conversations, or only interject what you know 100%.

Try cashing in your warranties. Thats where the issues come from, not from the arbitrary numbers they ascribe to the package labels. And god forbid you don't like your product and you want a refund because its busted or whatever. Hope you speak good Urdu.

[DjfunkmasterG]

Well 1st off, I don't buy questionable components. I do my research on Motherboards and other components. Second, I use newegg.com so if I had any issues I just send it back, and in 3 years all I ever had go wrong was 2 ram chips that wouldn't work with a particular motherboard... I just exchanged them. In the last 3 years I have built and sold over 50 computers and that was the only issue I ever had. So your statement is worthless.

Also, WIN XP doesn't always go to the BSOD when a program crashes it goes right back to the desktop... just like a MAC, and not even MAC's stay 100% stable, they probably have just as many issues, but you never hear about them because less than 5% of Computer owners use MAC. I bet if you took their failure rates and compared them the percentages would be the same.

[Mutineer]

Warranty?

I have bought nothing but DELL with minimal problems in a decade (Like 5 computers). Two times I have had to call and ask WTF with my computer ? (Blue Screen), Each call lasted no more than 15 Minutes, no charge, full warranty, total fix with a few F12 Bootups and input .....

Propaganda man. Don't spread it.

[DubiousComforts]

BSOD is a Windows issue, not a Mac issue so I gotta disagree on that one. Using the Unix type of system, if an error occurs on a mac, the program crashes out and closes down while the system stays up and keeps running. This isn't always so in Windows, too often will a program encounter a fatal error and crash the entire thing and take me to a BSOD especially when its leaking memory.
A software crash in Windows is not what leads to a BSOD. More often than not, it's a system error called a stop error (the computer doing something that the system views as dangerous and so it shuts down immediately). A computer tech friend says that in his experience, this is usually due to a hard drive failure.

In my experience with PC, the system keeps running when a program crashes. Anyone that gets those annoying "report this error to Microsoft" pop-ups could have told you that. You don't get a pop-up when the system shuts down.



Is Microsoft perfect? Please.... far from ....

But not everything is perfect and rosey at Apple either....
This is the difference between PC and Mac users. PC users have nothing to prove, no inferiority complex to feed and have absolutely no problem pointing out technological shortcomings whether PC or Mac based.


Warranty?

I have bought nothing but DELL with minimal problems in a decade (Like 5 computers).

Propaganda man. Don't spread it.
We use several DELLs at work, and just once, I called tech support for a restore disc. Bad move. Supplying restore discs apparently isn't in the English script handed out in India, so I was quickly shuttled from "Tech Support" to "Parts" to "Sales" and then back to India after being hung up on by "Sales."

The moral of the story is don't call DELL unless you have a crisis situation. Stupid me, actually trying to plan ahead.

And don't get me started on the failure that is iTunes.

[Mutineer]

LOL

Gotta love the call centers in India. Dell isn't the only one using them.

I always go straight to TECH SUPPORT; usually some computer wizard in Iowa or something.