What is the deal with the money.

[clanglee]

Ok, my first poll. Just curious, but what does everyone think of the money issue in LOTD. Was the importance of money in the movie believable, or did it detract from the movie on the whole?

[SRP76]

I'll keep it brief.

Money in Land = YAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

[ProfessorChaos]

yeah....what the crap is the deal? what good is u.s. currency when there's no structural u.s. government...

[Legion2213]

I'd rather have bullets, food, batteries, survival equipment etc.

Seriously, let's suppose that Kaufman escaped by mowing down big D (if only), gets 100 miles away from the Green, runs out of petrol and finds a bunch of independent survivors, what good is a stack of dollars (US or Bank of Kuafman) gonna do him?

We are three years into an outbreak here are we not? If you'd been surviving a zombie holocaust for a few years I am pretty much 100% certain that money would be the last thing on your list of requirements.

[Doc]

I pick the 2nd choice... I only thing I wanna know is even Cholo if did get that money then what? If he went back to the Green wouldn't he...gotten I don't know arrested or killed?

[bassman]

uggghhhhh....this again?:dead:

It's justified. The theme behind Land is ignoring the situation and going on with life as if the dead had never walked. Cholo could have fallen victim to this and for whatever reason thought that money had some value outside of the Green.

Or, he had hoped to find another fortified town/city/whatever and having a bunch of money would make him one of the top dogs like Kaufman in the Green.

But imo, it all goes back to the idea that Cholo(along with everyone else in the Green) was blinded by the safety and comfort that made them feel as though the world had never changed. In a way, you could relate it to how the four heroes in Dawn first felt when they arrived at the mall.

[sandrock74]

Sometimes old habits die hard. Even in a world being overrun by zombies, I think many people would still cling to money as something important to have. Maybe it's easier for them to come by? Maybe they think if everything is back to "normal" that they will have a leg up on everyone? Maybe it's just greed, pure and simple.

[MinionZombie]

I'm entirely with bassman on this one.

For those interested in looking back at the old threads about the issue, do a forum search, but for the sanity of the veterans of the Land money issue, don't resurrect them or we'll all go barmy! :eek:

[clanglee]

Nope, don't buy it. Cholo, AND all the others in Dead Reckoning, would have had to have been blaringly stupid to think that money would have a use outside the green. To me, a very flimsy place to put your major plot point on. Were I in the truck I would be like " Say. . . umm. . Cholo. . what exactly is the plan? Oh. . .ok. . we are gonna get money for this? And, I mean the greatest respect here, where are we gonna spend this money?
Oh. . . I see. . didn't think about that part huh? Ok, well then. . . by all means, let's kill all those folk, and be forced to flee relative safety forever because you say so. Great idea boss!!" I just don't think they were all that stupid.

[Trin]

I think this is another situation where the message backed the plot into a corner.

In a pure plot analysis the money thing doesn't make sense.

Cholo had no reason to ransom the city for money he'd already been told he couldn't spend. There were far better things he could've taken both to help himself and to hurt Kaufman. He wasn't stupid or blind or clinging to old world ideas.

Kaufman had no reason to take bags of money with him when attempted to flee the Green. His power was never derived from the paper itself and he didn't get into his position without knowing it.

I get the idea that the message is driving this plot point. The message of people ignoring the problem is fine. The message of people being greedy and coveting money is fine. But it got pushed so hard that the message drove the plot off course from common sense. And this is such a major plot point. It should make so much sense that no one can pose an objection.

[bassman]

You guys should go back, watch Dawn, and take the weights off of Land.

There is a connection between Dawn and Land, and people just seem to ignore it only so they can dawg on Land. What was the point of the four protagonists reaching the mall in Dawn and going on a shopping spree? They were back in their own time. A time before the dead walked the Earth. At that time, they felt that the money and items they possessed could and would make them happy.

Okay, consider that...and think about the connection between money and fiddler's green. Uh oh....is there a connection there?:p

The people of Fiddler's Green(Cholo included) are happy because of the immediate environment that's provided to them. They feel happy because of the objects that surround them. Wow.....maybe there's some thought, substance, and connection in there?:shifty:

[SRP76]

You guys should go back, watch Dawn, and take the weights off of Land.

There is a connection between Dawn and Land, and people just seem to ignore it only so they can dawg on Land. What was the point of the four protagonists reaching the mall in Dawn and going on a shopping spree? They were back in their own time. A time before the dead walked the Earth. At that time, they felt that the money and items they possessed could and would make them happy.



Or, when trapped in a mall, there is nothing else to do.:p

[bassman]

Or, when trapped in a mall, there is nothing else to do.:p

Trapped? How do you figure they were trapped? Latter to the roof, exits through large stores, helicopter...doesn't seem like they were that tied down to me. Those are all easy exits.

Same with the people in the green(cholo). They had exits. They chose to stay because it was "safe". It felt safe to stay and return because the items around them reminded them of their former and more safe lives.

That's why Cholo wanted the money. It was the same as his previous life. Had the dead never walked.....he would do the same thing.

If you don't want to think about the film you're watching, check out some Micheal Bay films.:p

[clanglee]

Nope. If you are gonna be deep in your message, it has to play out to make sense. It was innane. Cholo for wanting the money, Kaufman for not wanting to give up the money, and Cholo's crew for going along for the stupid plan. I understand that WITHIN the Green, money had value. But trying to take the money out was just soooooooo stupid. It made sense in dawn, it was social commentary, and there were no plot points revolving around the money idea. They had the whole unlimited consumer fun thing, until it was taken from them. They were in the mall, by themselves, living the dream. The money they found in the bank was just in case. "you never know" It was meant to be tongue in cheek. And there were no real exits from the mall. They WERE trapped, because where the hell else are you gonna go? Before they worked so hard to secure the mall, the only answer they had to that question was "straight up"

I just can't believe that EVERYONE in Land was that delusional to believe that money had any value outside the Green. Nope

[AcesandEights]

It was innane. Cholo for wanting the money, Kaufman for not wanting to give up the money, and Cholo's crew for going along for the stupid plan. I understand that WITHIN the Green, money had value. But trying to take the money out was just soooooooo stupid.

Well, this is the only context which makes an argument against money that I think has merit and I thank you for going past the initial 'I don't get it' phase and giving practical rationales.

[SRP76]

The money should have no value, anywhere.

The whole problem is the assumption that "oh, people want money, money is everything". That isn't true at all. It isn't money itself that people want; it's WHAT YOU GET FOR MONEY. The boats, the cars, the 87-room houses, the bjs from supermodels, plasma TVs.....all that. NOT the money itself.

Money is, has, and always will be nothing but a middleman. You don't collect money for money's sake; you collect it to trade it in for the goods and services that are your true desire.

Now, in the real world, the only reason we use money to get those goods and services is because we aren't allowed to simply take them. There are laws, and police that enforce those laws. We don't just walk onto a carlot and grab a Corvette, ONLY because we don't want to go to prison.

In the dead world, there is NO law; there are NO police. Every desire you can have is right there, FREE for the taking; there is nobody to stop you.

People would look at money, and say, "what do I need that for? I can just grab whatever I want".

This is especially true for people like Cholo. As one of the guys who actually goes out and grabs this "stuff", he, of ALL people, knows that he can simply take what he wants, and there is jack that anybody can do about it. Hell, he does it on a weekly/monthly/yearly basis. He knows better (or would, if the movie was realistic).

In an anarchy, the guy with the gun trumps the guy with the bank account. Kaufman would have been capped, and some nobody would have walked off with his sack of cash 1 month into the outbreak.

And even if Cholo wanted money that he couldn't spend, he could have just stopped by a bank in whatever town they raid. Stacks and stacks of $100 bills, as many as he wants. He needs Kaufman's money like he needs a third nut.

[bassman]

You kind of answered your own questions, SRP. Sure Cholo could take anything he wanted when he was outside of the Green. It wasn't about taking things from the outside or even from within. It was about having the power.

What do you think the whole penthouse scene with Kaufman was about? Cholo wanted in as one of the higher ups in the Green. The money was what would get him there. When he was denied a position in the Green, he took Dead Reckoning hostage in hopes of taking Kaufman's money from him, thus making Kaufman lose power and at the same time, gaining power of his own.

With this money, Cholo would have had free reign to start up and run(like Kaufman) another mini colony of his own or possibly find another. You're right that money SHOULDN'T have any meaning in a world such as that, but as I said before, these people are trying to live as though nothing ever changed. And in our world.....doesn't money bring the illusion of power?

It wasn't about buying things.....it was about running everyone and everything else. For example....take a look at Bill Gates.:lol:

This is all my opinion on the money situation and I'm pretty sure it's the one that Romero wanted to get across. There are countless other reasonable possibilities for Cholo wanting the money and it's pretty much left to personal opinion. As he's always done, Romero makes you think rather than stare at the screen and go "owwww ahhhhh" at nothing but 90 minutes of blood and guts.

There's basically nothing new I can say, so I think i'm going to follow MZ's great example and say that if you want my opinion on it, go look through the 100's of other posts I've made on the same subject. Believe me, this is far from the first thread about the money thing....

[SymphonicX]

I just theorised it was a control mechanism from Kaufman, a way of keeping residents of the green in check...wealth was still measurable in the green and by keeping money as a means to be wealthy, he created a social divide which meant half the residents there would be happy to do his bidding for the chance to get into the green and live the high life...it was obviously useless but by keeping a small (false) economy going, he has more control of the residents...

[Khardis]

I wasn't sure what the money was based on in Land, in fact in Land I wasn't sure what most of the structure was based on. It was kind of absurd. I think in a real situation the most powerful people would have been the people with the food and the guns. Not the people with the money. The food raiders would have been the most powerful not Kaufman. If GAR made it that way though he wouldn't have been able to beat us over the head with his politics though.


I just theorised it was a control mechanism from Kaufman, a way of keeping residents of the green in check...wealth was still measurable in the green and by keeping money as a means to be wealthy, he created a social divide which meant half the residents there would be happy to do his bidding for the chance to get into the green and live the high life...it was obviously useless but by keeping a small (false) economy going, he has more control of the residents...

Yeah, except when the real government has failed and the dead are walking and eating the living you would think that the people wouldn't put their trust in wealth and social divide. When Society collapses its the law of the jungle, not the law of supply and demand. Which is why I felt land was so unbearably unbelievable and one of GARs worst films.

[Legion2213]

I just theorised it was a control mechanism from Kaufman, a way of keeping residents of the green in check...wealth was still measurable in the green and by keeping money as a means to be wealthy, he created a social divide which meant half the residents there would be happy to do his bidding for the chance to get into the green and live the high life...it was obviously useless but by keeping a small (false) economy going, he has more control of the residents...

Good post.

I still don't buy into the money thing, I never will, but it is a well thought out and perfectly rational theory IMO

[Skippy911sc]

After reading many of the posts included in this topic I started to reconsider my thought process. If you look at the Green it appeared as if money still mattered...stores...restaurants...entertainment. Perhaps it is not beyond reason to consider that there is some other place that accepts cash.

So maybe cash is not that far fetched.

[mista_mo]

i am going with bassman and minion on this.

[clanglee]

You kind of answered your own questions, SRP. Sure Cholo could take anything he wanted when he was outside of the Green. It wasn't about taking things from the outside or even from within. It was about having the power.

What do you think the whole penthouse scene with Kaufman was about? Cholo wanted in as one of the higher ups in the Green. The money was what would get him there. When he was denied a position in the Green, he took Dead Reckoning hostage in hopes of taking Kaufman's money from him, thus making Kaufman lose power and at the same time, gaining power of his own.

With this money, Cholo would have had free reign to start up and run(like Kaufman) another mini colony of his own or possibly find another. You're right that money SHOULDN'T have any meaning in a world such as that, but as I said before, these people are trying to live as though nothing ever changed. And in our world.....doesn't money bring the illusion of power?

It wasn't about buying things.....it was about running everyone and everything else. For example....take a look at Bill Gates.:lol:

This is all my opinion on the money situation and I'm pretty sure it's the one that Romero wanted to get across. There are countless other reasonable possibilities for Cholo wanting the money and it's pretty much left to personal opinion. As he's always done, Romero makes you think rather than stare at the screen and go "owwww ahhhhh" at nothing but 90 minutes of blood and guts.

There's basically nothing new I can say, so I think i'm going to follow MZ's great example and say that if you want my opinion on it, go look through the 100's of other posts I've made on the same subject. Believe me, this is far from the first thread about the money thing....

It's not like I don't understand what you are saying Bass. And I quite agree that GAR was probably going for all of that as well. It's just that for that scenario to work, the entire populous would have to be completely delusional. I do agree that the economy would be set up to do just that, but there are some problems.:

1. The scavengers would see enough of the outside world to realise that money is useless anywhere but the Green. I will give you the delusion of the people in the saftey of the green, but those scavengers. Cholo expecially would know that money would do no good for him.

2. Kaufman himself, expecially, should know that money has no use outside his little kingdom. He didn't strike me as a stupid man, so exactly what was he going to use the bags of money for? Flotation devices? Even if he made it to an outpost, which they think have been overrun, who is he gonna spend the money on? He was abandoning all "his" people.

3. Cholo AND his crew would have had to be delusional to the extreme to believe that money would have been the answer to their woes. Yes taking money from Kaufman might make him mad, but they had to know it would not really hurt his power base. Cholo even left someone to their doom to watch for the money. Really really stupid.

4. Cholo was going to start up his own colony with the 2 million from Kaufman? Once again it take complete absolute lunacy and delusion to believe that would be possible. Who is he gonna gather up for this new colony?

The movie was about the haves, have nots, and have nothings. It was about our nation's stance on terrorism. It WAS about ignoring the problem. But, it was heavy handed, obvious, it had very loose logic. I disagree about this being a thinking film. I actually have to turn off my logic to make this film work for me. Way too big of a suspension of disbelief neccissary. Even for a film where the dead are walking around and eating the living. :D

[Trin]

Cholo wanted in as one of the higher ups in the Green. The money was what would get him there. When he was denied a position in the Green, he took Dead Reckoning hostage in hopes of taking Kaufman's money from him, thus making Kaufman lose power and at the same time, gaining power of his own.

Like Clanglee, I think you've hit Romero's intentions spot on. The whole commentary of money = power is very prevalent throughout the movie. Cholo wanted money to give him power. Kaufman protected his money to protect his power. In our society money and power are intimately related.

Problem is, while it is great commentary about *our* society the entire premise fails in *Land's* society. Kaufman's power was not derived from money. It couldn't have been. And taking it away wouldn't have hurt him. And Cholo could have all the money in the world and it wouldn't have given him power over Kaufman. I cannot believe GAR tried to sell us that bill of goods.

No one is saying that money isn't important within their society. It clearly is. But it's an importance that Kaufman dictates. It is only useful within Kaufman's rules. As soon as Cholo is told that no amount of money will get him what he wants any illusions he had about money and power should have been dispelled. Watching him continue to pursue it is just painful.

I agree with Clanglee on another point - the more I think about the movie the more holes I find. The less I think about it the more I enjoy it.

[jim102016]

I remember reading something to this in the past, but never put my mind into it, as I thought Cholo’s request for money was stupid. Personally, I would have demanded that blonde hooker with the big knockers from the beginning and some serious supplies/ammo, etc.

Taking the money away from the Green, where it was indeed still valuable, is the only rational excuse for his actions. Stick it to the man, hurt the elitist society he bleed for and was later rejected by. Maybe he thought the money would be worth something in Cleveland, if the place still stood.

I had trouble swallowing the comparisons between Dawn and Land concerning money, as they were on two different bumps along the timeline. Interesting, but I won’t go there.

[Trin]

Wow. You brought up not buying the money issue, money comparisons between Dawn and Land, the timeline issue, and the elites. That's a bold post!! Mention Yawn'04 and you've covered the bases!! :lol:

I might have demanded the two chicks who were kissing in the booth when the zombies attacked. There's always room in my Dead Reckoning for that. "Step right in ladies. Now we can go to Canada."

[SRP76]

And we won't even get into the "run to Canada" stupidity. That's another poll in itself.

[clanglee]

Yeah, good point there. Why the hell was Canada gonna be any better off than the states?

[Khardis]

Yeah, good point there. Why the hell was Canada gonna be any better off than the states?

Way way less people. As Rodney Dangerfield use to say "Canada, great place, they started a country and no one showed up!"

[MinionZombie]

Way way less people. As Rodney Dangerfield use to say "Canada, great place, they started a country and no one showed up!"
lol, great quote.

But indeed - less people, better defense due to the terrain, and it's bloody cold in the winter - meaning, popsicle zombies.

It was a main thread of the story in "World War Z". Teams of people would go out in the winter and shatter the zombies/decapitate them while they were frozen on the ground. It was also talked about that the cold weather was a safe time of the year for the survivors.

So Canada makes a lot of sense. *smug smiley* :D

And so does money, it just does...but I'm not getting into that f*ckin' argument again. Previous threads left me with shellshock, much like the dreaded "Day after Land" thread...*shudders*...the horror, the horror...

[SRP76]

lol, great quote.

But indeed - less people, better defense due to the terrain, and it's bloody cold in the winter - meaning, popsicle zombies.

It was a main thread of the story in "World War Z". Teams of people would go out in the winter and shatter the zombies/decapitate them while they were frozen on the ground. It was also talked about that the cold weather was a safe time of the year for the survivors.

So Canada makes a lot of sense. *smug smiley* :D



There are millions of people. All dead, and all hungry.

The only place where there are no people are in the far northern reaches. And that's where our heroes would simply starve to death, because there is no food. They would have to go back into the populated areas to eat. That means buildings, which means NOT-FROZEN zombies.

Which means, it's just like staying in the United States.

[Trin]

I don't know how they could've possibly survived in Canada. They didn't have any Canadian dollars!!! :lol::lol::lol:

But, seriously, if all they wanted was sparsity of population they could've gone to Kansas. The terrain would allow visibility for miles so any impending threat could be dealt with easily. The land supports growing your own food. The society is already prepared for power outages and harsh conditions. The winters are bad enough to freeze yet tolerable.

[clanglee]

Exactly what I was thinking, why go ALL the way north? The winters get plenty cold in any of the northern states. My guess is that it was decided for a destination because GAR just plain likes Canada. He's living there now. Oh and Minion, The WWZ story about Canada also mentioned what a complet cluster-f the whole exodus to there turned out to be. And what about the millions of U.S. citizens that ran north with the same idea? Would they not be up there shambling around?

[Khardis]

There are millions of people. All dead, and all hungry.

The only place where there are no people are in the far northern reaches. And that's where our heroes would simply starve to death, because there is no food. They would have to go back into the populated areas to eat. That means buildings, which means NOT-FROZEN zombies.

Which means, it's just like staying in the United States.

Then how do Eskimos live? Fishing and hunting seals/whales.


I don't know how they could've possibly survived in Canada. They didn't have any Canadian dollars!!! :lol::lol::lol:

But, seriously, if all they wanted was sparsity of population they could've gone to Kansas. The terrain would allow visibility for miles so any impending threat could be dealt with easily. The land supports growing your own food. The society is already prepared for power outages and harsh conditions. The winters are bad enough to freeze yet tolerable.

Depends on where you live I guess. If I lived in Las Vegas I would gead for Kansas, if I lived in NY, CT, Pennsylvania etc I would head for Canada since its much closer than Kansas.


Exactly what I was thinking, why go ALL the way north? The winters get plenty cold in any of the northern states. My guess is that it was decided for a destination because GAR just plain likes Canada. He's living there now. Oh and Minion, The WWZ story about Canada also mentioned what a complet cluster-f the whole exodus to there turned out to be. And what about the millions of U.S. citizens that ran north with the same idea? Would they not be up there shambling around?

Well they were in Pennsylvania etc in Dawn and Land. Going to Canada would be closest to them than going to other places. If I was in that situation I would drive from where I live to Canada too, from CT, through upstate NY right into Canada, I wouldn't try to make it to Maine or Vermont or anything because I would have to travel through Mass. which is extremely populated.

[Dead Hoosier]

"I don't know how they could've possibly survived in Canada. They didn't have any Canadian dollars"

TOOOOOOOOO funny.
I just don't see how anyone can say that the money -- as it was depicted in the film -- was rational...whatsoever. Sure, we all got GAR's message...Jesus, how could you not when you're beaten over the head with it. But that part of the story seemed like it was written by some hack who didn't think it through...it was just laughable. The earlier comparrison to Dawn doesn't fit because of the timeline difference. Land had plenty of weak points, but the cash fixation was neck-and-neck with Big Daddy in my book.

[MontagMOI]

You guys should go back, watch Dawn, and take the weights off of Land.

There is a connection between Dawn and Land, and people just seem to ignore it only so they can dawg on Land. What was the point of the four protagonists reaching the mall in Dawn and going on a shopping spree? They were back in their own time. A time before the dead walked the Earth. At that time, they felt that the money and items they possessed could and would make them happy.

I hadn't made the comparison before but you are spot on with that, Bassman.
I think one of the major themes in Romnero's films is people not being able to let go of ther past lives. And i think that is perfectly logical. Look at people that move to other countries and still stick with their national sports, teams, language, religion, culture etc...

[clanglee]

Looks like the "Haters" have finally won a poll.

Now, I could jump around and pump my fists in the air while shouting "In your face Minion!! In your poll quoting Land Lubbin face!!!" . . . . . . . . . . . . but that is beneath me. ;)

[Mike70]

i see no place for greenbacks in the post zombie world. as someone pointed out, the US is gone and is (hopefully) not coming back. in a post zombie world the only thing that would matter is other people.

[MinionZombie]

Well I still stand by the collection of polls on HPOTD that clearly show that the majority like/love/in favour of Land...that's enough for me. :sneaky::):D

[bassman]

Well I still stand by the collection of polls on HPOTD that clearly show that the majority like/love/in favour of Land...that's enough for me. :sneaky::):D

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10656/CaptureWiz039.jpg

:elol:

[Trin]

That's a victory for Land as a horror movie, but this is a GAR Dead movie we're talking about. Those same polls show an overwhelming belief that Land isn't in the same class as the original trilogy. Yeah, I know, 20 years of cult status and all that. Bah!!

You know what hurts my soul? The fact that it is even a conversation to compare Land with Dawn'04. It shouldn't be that way. Land should've stomped Dawn'04 into the ground to the point that no comparison is legitimate.

[Dead Hoosier]

Gotta agree Trin. It was SO dissapointing. I'd watch Dawn04 at home WAY before I'd pop in Land. The first 10 minutes are better than 90 minutes of Land. I'm glad I went to see it at the theater by myself...I would've been embarrased to sit through it with anyone else.
Here's hoping that Diary brings GAR's redemption. If not...it's all over folks.

[Doc]

Here's hoping that Diary brings GAR's redemption. If not...it's all over folks. Well from what I've people had said it's decent and at least better Land, So people have claimed it was as fun as watching Dawn and Day for the first time and there are those who say it's their second favorite in series besides Dawn.

[dracenstein]

Well from what I've people had said it's decent and at least better Land, So people have claimed it was as fun as watching Dawn and Day for the first time and there are those who say it's their second favorite in series besides Dawn.
Cholo could have collected money from the surrounding towns, until he had several million, asked to be admitted to the Green. When he's refused, he says, "What'll happen if I dump ten million dollars in the streets?"

The ordinary folk can eat in the Green and pay more in tips than the 'rich' can! They can afford to buy all the luxery goods, but not a place to live in the Green.

That's my answer, swamp the local economy with all the money from the banks in area,

[sammylou]

It makes sense. The people were trying to rebuild they're lives and go back to a society before the outbreak. What's a key part of any society? The buying and selling of goods and services. (An economy) So having money was one of the first things that they did in the city. What you expect them to do? Just use bartering beads and share stuff? No way...

Oh, and I doubt they were using U.S. dollars. It's probably a new currency specifically for the city.

[Mike70]

Oh, and I doubt they were using U.S. dollars. It's probably a new currency specifically for the city.

rewatch the part where the car blows up very carefully. the money fluttering through the air is pretty clearly US dollars- which only goes to highlight the utter stupidity/naivete of the folks living in the green.

oh and by the way - welcome to the boards.

[Legion2213]

Oh, and I doubt they were using U.S. dollars. It's probably a new currency specifically for the city.

I doubt it, otherwise it would be pointless loading up bags of the stuff when Kaufman is trying to escape from the green.

Welcome to HPotD. :)

[Mike70]

I doubt it, otherwise it would be pointless loading up bags of the stuff when Kaufman is trying to escape from the green.

Welcome to HPotD. :)

agreed US dollars make sense.

i acutally went and watched the pertinent parts of land last night before i posted a response. unless i am going blind, i'll stick by my conclusion that the money fluttering around in the air after the car explodes are US greenbacks.

[belial14]

The second one most definantly

[Mike70]

hopefully this will put to rest the debate over whether it was US money being used by the folks in the city.

here is a screen shot i made of the money fluttering through the air after the car blows up. pretty clearly new style US currency. and yes i know how big of a geek i am

[clanglee]

So all the more pointless for that then. :rolleyes:

[Mike70]

So all the more pointless for that then. :rolleyes:

yep. using money backed by a govt. that doesn't even exist anymore puts the folks in the green squarely in the dork category.

[MinionZombie]

yep. using money backed by a govt. that doesn't even exist anymore puts the folks in the green squarely in the dork category.
Or, they're using currency that is:

A) Already in existence, no need to print it.
B) Already has long-established value attached to it.
C) Any moron can understand the currency they used to use.
D) Plays into the traditional GAR theme of people pining for the society they had before, living in the past.
E) Plays into the theme in Land of people trying to return to normality and re-establish their society again.
F) Where would you get the adequate amount of paper (already processed and refined from trees) to make your own currency, what value would it all hold, who would design it, where would you print it? - A screed of problems and obstacles, or - just use something that's already there, something which they understand.

Just because it's a small economy, doesn't make it any less of a working economy.

[SRP76]

Or, they're using currency that is:

A) Already in existence, no need to print it.
B) Already has long-established value attached to it.
C) Any moron can understand the currency they used to use.
D) Plays into the traditional GAR theme of people pining for the society they had before, living in the past.
E) Plays into the theme in Land of people trying to return to normality and re-establish their society again.
F) Where would you get the adequate amount of paper (already processed and refined from trees) to make your own currency, what value would it all hold, who would design it, where would you print it? - A screed of problems and obstacles, or - just use something that's already there, something which they understand.

Just because it's a small economy, doesn't make it any less of a working economy.

A good portion of that just points to the flaws in the movie. Earlier movies already established that people did not buy; they took. Money is pointless.

And they "can't make paper", yet they can make a military vehicle, fully armed to the teeth, with a seemingly limitless supply of ammunition?

[bassman]

A good portion of that just points to the flaws in the movie. Earlier movies already established that people did not buy; they took. Money is pointless.

And they "can't make paper", yet they can make a military vehicle, fully armed to the teeth, with a seemingly limitless supply of ammunition?

Earlier movies? Land has nothing to do with earlier movies other than the fact that Blades makes a cameo. And that's just a wink to the fans, not continuity.

Finding pieces of steel and wielding them onto a semi truck and it's trailer would be alot easier than starting up some sort of money production when there is already existing currency.

And the main reason(As MZ already stated) is that they're trying to ignore the problem and continue with their lives the way they were before. Which means using the existing currency even if it has no meaning outside of The Green.

[MinionZombie]

And people "just took" when society had broken down.

Now though, Fiddler's Green and it's surrounds is a new, small society - which is governed by an economy, ergo - money has worth, purpose and a point.

Your existing currency doesn't need changing, nor understanding - it's already in place. Going the hassle of making new money would actually be stupid. Just chop down a bunch of trees, send them off to the place wherever they turn it all into wood pulp, then take the pulp and make new paper suitable for making money from, then go to the money printers with your new design, then go and print it all using machines that have probably ceased up completely and fallen into disrepair in the intervening 3 years ... or just use the cash you had before.

It was rendered temporarily useless, as in the period during Dawn and Day - even though the series are not connected, they're different universes, if you will - then with the development of this mini-society, money was once again of use and was one of the things enabling the residents to attempt to regain some normality in their lives, to forget about the zombies - one of the main themes Romero was using in Land.

...

Dead Reckoning - pretty easy by comparison - take an existing truck, use a whole bunch of scrap materials at your disposal, weld them on, gather some guns, whack them in - it would have been complex enough, but it was a necessity and a far more realistic and sensible task, rather than minting your own new monetary system when the old one is perfect already, sitting there waiting to be used again.

[Trin]

I have no problem with the concept of money as currency within the Green. Kaufman created an economy. For the people in the Green and on the streets you don't even need to explain it as clinging to old world comforts. Money had value. It bought food that Kaufman had brought in. It fueled the vices that Kaufman provided.

I also thinks it is reasonable to assume that normal US currency could be used without too much trouble since Kaufman has such tight control. The only people able to wreck the economy with scavenged money were the scavengers, and they were seemingly willing to play by Kaufman's rules.

But those things don't excuse the main plot points that revolve around money. Why does Kaufman take bags of money as he flees the Green? Why do Cholo and crew believe money was of value to them without Kaufman's backing? I know there are several arguments posed to defend those actions, but they are predicated on the characters being stupid or deluded, which in the case of Kaufman and Cholo they've proven they are neither.

Then there's Mulligan. While Kaufman is getting bags of money Mulligan is grabbing weapons to foment a rebellion. Mulligan showed more recognition of the reality of the situation than anyone.

Also, it's a minor point, but Dead Reckoning had a gps locator, computer targeting for the missiles, and a remote control with override capability. I don't know how anyone can suggest that DR would be an easy creation compared to a printing press.

[Staredge]

Well, how many of us really have the ability to create a printing press? Couple of computer nerds could bang up a pretty decent rig for the truck though. I could throw together an armored car fairly quickly, although I'm not sure it would actually move with the weight (but I digress)

More likely, you could print your new FG money on a good laser printer. What's that you say?? So could everyone else???? By jove, you're right. If I'm setting up a new community in a devastated Deadland and want to control the money supply, why create something that can be printed out by your average Jr High kid??? Why not use something that is A) already familiar (and probably somewhat comforting as a reminder of the good times)(don't go there Scipio ;)) and available; and B) already comes with fairly sophisticated anti-counterfeit measures in place?

[Mike70]

oh i am pretty much done with this thread. i think it has had more lives than a cave full of cats. i only posted the pic to confirm that it was US currency. i still think and will never be shaken from the belief that a paper currency economy in this situation is rather stupid and shortsighted and makes no sense. it is just paper. utterly worthless paper in this situation.

in this situation i'd take a truck full of campbell's soup anyday over a truck full of cash.

well that is my last word. money talk bores the crap out of me and i am bored to death of this thread.

it needs to do the decent thing and move to backpage oblivion. maybe it and the howard stern thread can settle down together and have some virtual kids, a nice house back on page 75, two cars in the garage and a cat and dog.

now when is someone going to start the annual reappearance of the "its 2am, your mercedes is out of gas, you have two shells left and are surrounded by zombies - what do you do" thread?

[Staredge]

oh i am pretty much done with this thread. i think it has had more lives than a cave full of cats. i only posted the pic to confirm that it was US currency. i still think and will never be shaken from the belief that a paper currency economy in this situation is rather stupid and shortsighted and makes no sense. it is just paper. utterly worthless paper in this situation.

in this situation i'd take a truck full of campbell's soup anyday over a truck full of cash.

well that is my last word. money talk bores the crap out of me and i am bored to death of this thread.

it needs to do the decent thing and move to backpage oblivion. maybe it and the howard stern thread can settle down together and have some virtual kids, a nice house back on page 75, two cars in the garage and a cat and dog.

now when is someone going to start the annual reappearance of the "its 2am, your mercedes is out of gas, you have two shells left and are surrounded by zombies - what do you do" thread?

You're not done. This is too much fun!!!!

You're right, in that with nothing to back it up paper currency is worthless. I think you're looking at it the wrong way though. From a standpoint of "this is a new civilization we're building" you'd have to come up with a new form of economy....probably barter. That's how economies usually start. Problem is, you're not dealing with a new civilization...you're dealing with an old one trying to reestablish itself. People in that sort of civilization are going to cling to what they know, and if you want to lead them you'd better treat them like that. It only works if they let it. Once they figure out that there isn't anything to back it up, then you'd see a conversion to a reality based situation.

(did I just say 'reality based situation' in a thread talking about a zombie movie??? :eek:)

[clanglee]

Ok, one point among many, but. . . it is WAY to easy to access already printed U.S. currency. Any outlying bank, probably hidden away in many of the buildings in the town. When you have no set limit of cash ammount, then you can completely disrupt the economy with an influx of "found" cash. But yeah, like Trin, my main problem with the money in LOTD is the silly fact that Cholo and Kaufman think it is any good outside the Green.

[Trin]

Ok, one point among many, but. . . it is WAY to easy to access already printed U.S. currency. Any outlying bank, probably hidden away in many of the buildings in the town. When you have no set limit of cash ammount, then you can completely disrupt the economy with an influx of "found" cash. But yeah, like Trin, my main problem with the money in LOTD is the silly fact that Cholo and Kaufman think it is any good outside the Green.
I've actually come to terms with this problem. Assumedly all the money in the protected area was at some point collected and counted as the basis for the new economy. Any additional money would have to come in with the scavengers. If they were operating under Kaufman's rules, which surely precluded allowing any influx of money, I can see where the monetary base would remain undisturbed.

But that brings with it another problem. Why do the scavengers accept Kaufman's rule? They weren't treated any better than the common rabble. The social structure would've been far more believable had the people carrying the guns and attaining the food been priviledged in some way.

Oh, and if Dead Reckonings were so easy to make, as some have suggested, then it's really lame that so many people were held hostage under Kaufman's rule. They should've just whipped together a Dead Reckoning or two with some scrap metal and some computer geeks and driven off through the zombie-less wasteland.

[SRP76]

The money itself doesn't really matter in the movie, actually. Cholo had plenty of cash; Kaufman still wouldn't let him into the Green.

Kaufman actually has all the say-so as to who gets what; passing money around is just a front, since anyone not already in his little circle get the "your money's no good here" treatment.

[MinionZombie]

I'll also mention that, to me at least, I got the impression that it was Kaufman who enabled the construction of Dead Reckoning, not only commissioning its construction but controlling its build - by which I mean, possibly controlling some of the tools and materials.

I get this impression from his overall control of the entire Fiddler's Green operation, also backed up by his speech where he's going on about what he's given the people - vices etc.

As for the money in out-lying areas:

1) Areas are filled with zombies.

2) Raiders are in large groups, stealing cash just for yourself would be tricky - you'd either be ratted out, or you'd have to divvy up.

3) A bottle of Kentucky Bourbon goes for $1,500 at FG - that's a lot of cash for so little product.

4) Most banks would keep their money in the vault - which is of course, pretty hard to get into - even harder when you're surrounded by zombies. Even at the cashier's desks the money would be locked away.

5) If it's easier to get the cash in the banks, say from the cashier desks, what's not to say it's already been taken in the intervening 3 years? It most probably has - e.g. the raiders in Dawn drained the mall's bank. Multiply the number of incidents and gangs and you'll soon be hard pressed to find enough loose cash in banks.

6) Kaufman is a connected, rich man - he'll have his own stash of cash, and no doubt will have secured many funds at the beginning of the outbreak with his other rich buddies - some of whom will no doubt be controlling the other outposts - e.g. Cleveland.

7) Any cash literally just blowing around will be long since blown away/rotten.

8) I think that Cholo's bank balance was theoretical, for lack of a better word, i.e. Cholo didn't have the cash in his own hands - he'd been promised it by Kaufman, but the Big K had no intention of honouring the deal - at least not in terms of letting Cholo into the Green itself.

So really, Kaufman truly does control the flow of cash - American dollars.

[sandrock74]

Minion, well thought out and articulated! I think you've just nailed it!

[jim102016]

I'll also mention that, to me at least, I got the impression that it was Kaufman who enabled the construction of Dead Reckoning, not only commissioning its construction but controlling its build - by which I mean, possibly controlling some of the tools and materials.

I get this impression from his overall control of the entire Fiddler's Green operation, also backed up by his speech where he's going on about what he's given the people - vices etc.

As for the money in out-lying areas:

1) Areas are filled with zombies.

2) Raiders are in large groups, stealing cash just for yourself would be tricky - you'd either be ratted out, or you'd have to divvy up.

3) A bottle of Kentucky Bourbon goes for $1,500 at FG - that's a lot of cash for so little product.

4) Most banks would keep their money in the vault - which is of course, pretty hard to get into - even harder when you're surrounded by zombies. Even at the cashier's desks the money would be locked away.

5) If it's easier to get the cash in the banks, say from the cashier desks, what's not to say it's already been taken in the intervening 3 years? It most probably has - e.g. the raiders in Dawn drained the mall's bank. Multiply the number of incidents and gangs and you'll soon be hard pressed to find enough loose cash in banks.

6) Kaufman is a connected, rich man - he'll have his own stash of cash, and no doubt will have secured many funds at the beginning of the outbreak with his other rich buddies - some of whom will no doubt be controlling the other outposts - e.g. Cleveland.

7) Any cash literally just blowing around will be long since blown away/rotten.

8) I think that Cholo's bank balance was theoretical, for lack of a better word, i.e. Cholo didn't have the cash in his own hands - he'd been promised it by Kaufman, but the Big K had no intention of honouring the deal - at least not in terms of letting Cholo into the Green itself.

So really, Kaufman truly does control the flow of cash - American dollars.


Good call, but it made me think about the end of the movie when Kauffman shoots his second in command with a briefcase of cash in his hand. He's so hell-bent on holding onto this money, but is it really going to be any good where he's going? I don't think they were heading to Cleveland, but to an alternative location where only a few people would occupy. How would cash be valuable in this environment?

Earlier, he told his staff that he had alternate secure locations set up for relocation in the event that Cholo shelled the green. Its evident that only the small circle of elitists is going, while the remaining 99% of the population is going to be left to die. I'm rambling on, but I can't figure on how $$$ would be worth anything if they were heading into to a 'Day' type situation.

[Staredge]

Good call, but it made me think about the end of the movie when Kauffman shoots his second in command with a briefcase of cash in his hand. He's so hell-bent on holding onto this money, but is it really going to be any good where he's going? I don't think they were heading to Cleveland, but to an alternative location where only a few people would occupy. How would cash be valuable in this environment?

Earlier, he told his staff that he had alternate secure locations set up for relocation in the event that Cholo shelled the green. Its evident that only the small circle of elitists is going, while the remaining 99% of the population is going to be left to die. I'm rambling on, but I can't figure on how $$$ would be worth anything if they were heading into to a 'Day' type situation.

Well, if he set them up, he sets the rules.....and the almighty dollar rules all. My thinking is that, if anyone has managed to set up another community, they would also be using the dollar for the same reasons posted above. I'd take all of 'em I'd managed to squirrel away with me...just in case.

[sandrock74]

Who says that Kaufman really planned on taking anyone else with him? Why take him at his word? I think he was just planning on saving his own neck...nothing more, nothing less. I think he was just too attached to the money to let it go.

[jim102016]

Well, if he set them up, he sets the rules.....and the almighty dollar rules all. My thinking is that, if anyone has managed to set up another community, they would also be using the dollar for the same reasons posted above. I'd take all of 'em I'd managed to squirrel away with me...just in case.

You think he has another community like the Green somewhere, unknown to everyone but him? That's an interesting thought, how would he have done it? Secretly ship people to it under cover of darkness? Knowing his personality and his style of dictatorship, I wouldn't rule it out.

[Staredge]

You think he has another community like the Green somewhere, unknown to everyone but him? That's an interesting thought, how would he have done it? Secretly ship people to it under cover of darkness? Knowing his personality and his style of dictatorship, I wouldn't rule it out.

Well, from what was said above...yes. (I've only seen the movie once, and cut up at that) What I said applied either way. He was on the run, either going to something else he set up, or trying to get to some other area. If hes set it up, he set the rules and the money is good. If he's trying to get to somewhere else that someone else has set up, then chances are the money will still be good because they've used it as well (for the same reasons he did).

[Trin]

Of course the money isn't going to help Kaufman where he's going. That's one of the main points of contention with money making sense in the plot. Why is he concerned about bags of money over food, guns, and ammo if he's going on the run?

It's utterly ridiculous to believe that any other survivor base would acknowledge his money. Even if they used US currency themselves they'd still have their own economy in place and couldn't withstand the influx of new money. It'd destabilize their economy and threaten the power base of those in charge.

Imagine if someone had driven up to Fiddler's Green with bags full of money - more money than Kaufman had. What would Mr. K have done? Would he have let them in and allowed them to take over? Hardly!! More likely he'd have had them killed.

[Staredge]

Of course the money isn't going to help Kaufman where he's going. That's one of the main points of contention with money making sense in the plot. Why is he concerned about bags of money over food, guns, and ammo if he's going on the run?

It's utterly ridiculous to believe that any other survivor base would acknowledge his money. Even if they used US currency themselves they'd still have their own economy in place and couldn't withstand the influx of new money. It'd destabilize their economy and threaten the power base of those in charge.

Imagine if someone had driven up to Fiddler's Green with bags full of money - more money than Kaufman had. What would Mr. K have done? Would he have let them in and allowed them to take over? Hardly!! More likely he'd have had them killed.

True.....but he's not thinking that. Being outside observers, we can see that. Kaufman can't.

[Trin]

Okay, so here's a funny take on the whole situation...

The zombies are becoming more and more like the people with remembered behaviors and sparks of intelligent, right?

And the premise is that people irrationally covet money above all things including the basic needs of survival like food, right?

So the next obvious step in zombie evolution is that the zombies would begin to covet money.

Maybe Kaufman was taking bags of money with the intention of throwing wads of hundred dollar bills at the zombies. Think about it - if you throw a stack of hundred dollar bills into a pack of zombies not only would they be distracted from you but they'd start fighting each other for it. Just like the humans would. Well, that's way better than guns and ammo. A bullet can at most save you from one zombie. A stack of money could get a whole pack of them off you.

[ZombiePrototype]

I really don't have a problem with them holding onto something from the way things used to be and using money, but I think they would have been better off using something like gold, silver, diamonds, emeralds, rubies, pearls, as a form of money because people have held those things as valuable for thousands of years and people MAY have been able to find things like that in abandoned jewelry stores or the jewelry department of one of the big department store chains. Having said that I think that people would most likely end up bartering or salvaging for everything that they needed.

[MinionZombie]

First of all, where are you gonna come across rubies and pearls and diamonds ever so easily, in a world infested with the dead. Even if you did, you won't have enough to establish an economy.

Also, the average punter, even the higher rollers, still just deal with cash - so they understand it.

Next thing someone will suggest frickin' doubloons for the FG economy. :p

[ZombiePrototype]

First of all, where are you gonna come across rubies and pearls and diamonds ever so easily, in a world infested with the dead. Even if you did, you won't have enough to establish an economy.

Also, the average punter, even the higher rollers, still just deal with cash - so they understand it.

Next thing someone will suggest frickin' doubloons for the FG economy. :p
I don't know what it is like where you live but where I live there are like 6-12 Target stores, 6-12 Walmart stores, and Like 4 Kmarts and all three of those stores have jewelry departments, also there like two malls and they have atleast 4-5 jewelry stores inside of them plus the anchor department stores that have jewelry departments inside, and there like 3 standalone jewelry stores outside each of those malls and there like 6-12 grocery stores nearby the malls and atleast one store that sells guns very close to each mall, and all of those places that I mentioned are within maybe 10-20 miles of each other at most and that is being generous with the distances. That is only counting the little suburb that I live in. There are at least three more large indoor malls including The Mall of America. And there are several other cities that have Targets, Walmarts, Kmarts, grocery stores, strip malls, gun stores, and stand alone jewelry stores all close together. In all fairness I should also say that each of those malls has at least 4 banks outside. What I am trying to say is that it is POSSIBLE for people to use gold, silver, and precious gems as currency in SOME SITUATIONS NOT ALL BUT SOME SITUATIONS. I still think though that if we ever have to deal with zombies in real life we will most likely not think to go after money or jewels or have time to go after them while we are out scavenging for essentials so people will most likely go back to a bartering system. And believe it or not I ACTUALLY LIKE LAND.

[MinionZombie]

lol, my initial impression of you was that you were a Land Hater, but meh, evidently not.

Anyway, as for all those stores - it's been three years - those will have all been raided long ago by biker gangs and such, like in Dawn, where they all go after the easily accessed cash in the banks and the jewelry in the fancy stores.

Also, the point in Land is that these people are recreating their old society within a walled-off community, in real normal life people don't trade and barter with their Mr. T bling.

My point being, is that cash money is simple to understand and had such a high frequency of use in the pre-zombie world, which made it second nature. Now, in post-zombie world - where these survivors are trying to return to their old lives (the point being that it's futile, but is "ignoring the problem", which GAR always intended to use in Land), they go back to their second nature economy of cash money.

Perhaps in the slums those guys would be more likely to barter and trade goods & services, as well as using cash, but certainly within the Green itself it appears to be an entirely cash-money economy. Inside the Green it's identical to pre-zombie life (aside from the odd give-aways, like the glitches in the promo video), ergo - walk into a store, plonk down some green and walk out with your consumer products.

On the streets in the slums it'd be at most a mix of cash and trade/favours/bartering, but again the same mentality of understanding the default economy of cash-money would be the most prominent.

There was certainly no hint of bling-bling trade-offs even in the slums, it all came down to old fashioned US dollery-doo's, such as in the gambling scene when Slack is introduced.

[ZombiePrototype]

lol, my initial impression of you was that you were a Land Hater, but meh, evidently not.

Anyway, as for all those stores - it's been three years - those will have all been raided long ago by biker gangs and such, like in Dawn, where they all go after the easily accessed cash in the banks and the jewelry in the fancy stores.

Also, the point in Land is that these people are recreating their old society within a walled-off community, in real normal life people don't trade and barter with their Mr. T bling.

My point being, is that cash money is simple to understand and had such a high frequency of use in the pre-zombie world, which made it second nature. Now, in post-zombie world - where these survivors are trying to return to their old lives (the point being that it's futile, but is "ignoring the problem", which GAR always intended to use in Land), they go back to their second nature economy of cash money.

Perhaps in the slums those guys would be more likely to barter and trade goods & services, as well as using cash, but certainly within the Green itself it appears to be an entirely cash-money economy. Inside the Green it's identical to pre-zombie life (aside from the odd give-aways, like the glitches in the promo video), ergo - walk into a store, plonk down some green and walk out with your consumer products.

On the streets in the slums it'd be at most a mix of cash and trade/favours/bartering, but again the same mentality of understanding the default economy of cash-money would be the most prominent.

There was certainly no hint of bling-bling trade-offs even in the slums, it all came down to old fashioned US dollery-doo's, such as in the gambling scene when Slack is introduced.
No worries I just figured that since humans have held gold, silver, precious gems there would be some people somewhere that would use them as currency or as something to trade with but I see your point.

[MinionZombie]

As for the gems, perhaps those with them would just retain them as jewelry or bling to show off, make themselves feel better - the whole losing yourself in consumerism thing, to forget the problem on the outside.

I wonder if Kaufman would have an order on the aside like, 'if you find any gems or gold, bring them to me' and then he'd just gather them and use them inside the Green for bribes or whatever, kind of like white collar trading ... with a devious edge.

[bd2999]

I was alright with it. I think it was more of a statement of how pointless money is in a world like this but at the same time it is being held on a pedistal over humanity.

I think it brings up lots of issues really. Likely when everyone showed up to start with they were treated the same, people huddling together for protection and survival and then as time went on and they secured the city more they formed a pseudo form of government, but the class divide started to occur. Those who are used to the good lifel ikely complained or did not wnat to be with the common folk so they moved away from them and money was the way that 1) the common folks entertain themselves and 2)the rich hold power over the common folk. It has value because the common folks think that it does and since the rich have more of it they are elevated. This would not even change if they started in that building with the divide to start with, money would still have meaning because people think it does.

Its more how people grasp for anything to return to normality. In reality they have no need for money anymore, survival is the main and only goal but as soon as situations are changed things will go back to what they were with prejudices, obsession with money and class divides making a class of people see themselves as being above other people. I mean to the point that the people in Fiddler's Green seemed to ignore the fact that this was even going on anymore, the woman who did not seem to understand that her husbad would come back and try and eat them all even though she had likely seen it in the past.

I think the money idea was a good one to have in the movie. Its sort of like in the original Dawn when Peter and Stephen were at the bank taking the money and later gabling with it. Money is worthless now but it has value because they think it does.

[Scanman22]

I don't understand the money issue. I mean, I guess it can only be used in enclosed communities like the area with civilians. But why wait for that asshole to give it to you? I'm sure one could just go to a bank and take everything. Or just get gold since everybody wants that and can use it. Paper money? No good.

[MinionZombie]

I don't understand the money issue. I mean, I guess it can only be used in enclosed communities like the area with civilians. But why wait for that asshole to give it to you? I'm sure one could just go to a bank and take everything. Or just get gold since everybody wants that and can use it. Paper money? No good.
*blows head off*

Not this issue again???!!! :eek::dead:

Your questions are already answered and explored in the rest of the thread, or other ones on the same issue.

Now if you excuse me, not to be insulting to you mind, as a veteran of these undying issues on this forum, I'm gonna jump ship and unsubscribe from this thread. :p

[Redman6565]

I was alright with it. I think it was more of a statement of how pointless money is in a world like this but at the same time it is being held on a pedistal over humanity.

I think it brings up lots of issues really. Likely when everyone showed up to start with they were treated the same, people huddling together for protection and survival and then as time went on and they secured the city more they formed a pseudo form of government, but the class divide started to occur. Those who are used to the good lifel ikely complained or did not wnat to be with the common folk so they moved away from them and money was the way that 1) the common folks entertain themselves and 2)the rich hold power over the common folk. It has value because the common folks think that it does and since the rich have more of it they are elevated. This would not even change if they started in that building with the divide to start with, money would still have meaning because people think it does.


Its more how people grasp for anything to return to normality. In reality they have no need for money anymore, survival is the main and only goal but as soon as situations are changed things will go back to what they were with prejudices, obsession with money and class divides making a class of people see themselves as being above other people. I mean to the point that the people in Fiddler's Green seemed to ignore the fact that this was even going on anymore, the woman who did not seem to understand that her husbad would come back and try and eat them all even though she had likely seen it in the past.

I think the money idea was a good one to have in the movie. Its sort of like in the original Dawn when Peter and Stephen were at the bank taking the money and later gabling with it. Money is worthless now but it has value because they think it does.

hahaha in the real world in the inner city people would be stealing TV's and the like. Hurricanes, blackouts, zombies infestations are all fantastic times to get the whole family together for some good old looting. :lol:

[clanglee]

:lol::lol::lol:

My thread lives again!!! Mwah Ha Ha Haaaaa!!!!:evil::evil:

[Mike70]

first off this thread needs to be put out of its misery.




hahaha in the real world in the inner city people would be stealing TV's and the like. Hurricanes, blackouts, zombies infestations are all fantastic times to get the whole family together for some good old looting. :lol:

second:

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

When we returned to the pad to unload everything,
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings.
So once again we filled the van until it was full,
since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable.