controversial post....NOTLD 68 = over-rated?

[SymphonicX]

hahahah I know I am going to get kicked for this...but I've never really liked the original NOTLD....now don't get me wrong, i see it for all its virtues - for all the breakthroughs that it pioneered and all the new ideas that the movie introduced cinema goers to....well I just don't enjoy it that much....I know this is heresy - but I prefer Savini's remake...!!!!!

*shrinks back into corner*

[acealive1]

may god have mercy............








i prefer the remake too as i can identify with it since it was made in my lifetime. but to say the original is over rated is a bit far fetched.

[bassman]

I can understand why someone would prefer the remake over the original. SOMETIMES I do prefer the remake, but the original has much better atmosphere.

Out of Romero's films, Night is usually the last one I watch. I don't know if it's because I've seen it so many times, but it just doesn't get watched that much.

Wouldn't it be great if someone said that Night 3D was their favorite?:lol:

[SymphonicX]

@ bassman: now THAT'S far fetched!!

OK maybe over rated is wrong, but then again I definitely don't rate it as high as the other movies, so in the context of my personal feelings it feels over rated to me...

[C5NOTLD]

Wouldn't it be great if someone said that Night 3D was their favorite?:lol:

It will never be over-rated. Just a matter of to each his or her own.

Trust me - someone, somewhere probably does think Night 3D is their favorite. It's a disturbing world.

Thankfully no one likes the 30th anniversary not even people who had lobotomys.

[Trencher]

I was going to make a joke about how I was this huge 30th anniversary fan but my fingers just went numb. I just could not do it!
I like the original best the best thing about the remake is the woman that play Barbera she is very talented and beautiful. The remake was a great movie but it did not bring any suprises to table like the original did.

[DubiousComforts]

hahahah I know I am going to get kicked for this...but I've never really liked the original NOTLD....now don't get me wrong, i see it for all its virtues - for all the breakthroughs that it pioneered and all the new ideas that the movie introduced cinema goers to....well I just don't enjoy it that much....I know this is heresy - but I prefer Savini's remake...!!!!!
It's not heresy to say that you don't prefer the original. The movie is 40 years old, and times change. You've recognized what has made the film a classic, and you're simply stating that you don't enjoy it. Fair enough, there is a big difference between that viewpoint and saying "it sucks because I don't like it."

C5NOLD--how many lobotomy-people have you checked with? :D

[SymphonicX]

Ahh the 30th anniversary edition - am I seriously the only person who thought this version was the best? The new characters told a very good backstory, it brought more intensity and focus to the movie which was previously very fragmented and shabby. The new music really brought mjore atmosp.....

**** I'm sorry, I just can't do it either....

NOTLD 30th Anniversay edition SUCKS!!!!!!!!

[Doc]

I might get killed for saying this, but I actually think the original Dawn is overrated.....:eek::shifty: *hides*

[bassman]

I might get killed for saying this, but I actually think the original Dawn is overrated.....:eek::shifty: *hides*

Yes. You will be killed. Delete that post immediately.:p

But seriously....dawn isn't my favorite, but you have to respect what it did. It's the Godfather or Lawrence of Arabia of zombie films.

[Doc]

Yes. You will be killed. Delete that post immediately.:p

But seriously....dawn isn't my favorite, but you have to respect what it did. It's the Godfather or Lawrence of Arabia of zombie films. Now, now I didn't say anything about it not being good. I agree it's the ultimate zombie film! It just that some people(I don't mean here) give it so much praise and say the other ones in the series aren't worth seeing because they suck. I mean I can understand why people do not like Day(with not being enough zombies and all) and Land( who would? :confused:) but saying Night sucks? That's just not true!:mad: There wouldn't even be a Dawn without Night!:mad: But yeah I agree Dawn is awesome the ultimate zombie film like I said.:) I just think it's just a little.....just a little bitty .....overrated.:|

[darth los]

Calling any particular film overated is a subjective opinion as many might disagree. However, there is room to call a film overated and still recognize it as a classic. For example, most would say that the original godfather is an all time classic. Conversely, I find it to be unwatchable but I still recognize that it's a classic if for no other reason that the impact it has had on cinema and beyond. One could say it even trancends the medium in which it was created.

[EvilNed]

I for long viewed Night as somewhat of an unwanted child as well. I respected and understood the impact it had on the horror genre, but the music was below par and Barbaras character was just not something I could sympathize with.

Lately, I've found myself enjoying it more and more.

[ProfessorChaos]

night 68 is my all time favorite horror film, and the remake is in my top five. neither can be fuc (ked with, and both will have a spot on that list until the day i die....

*beats chest like king kong*

but that's just my opinion.

[Legion2213]

Another heretic checking in...I watch and enjoy Night 1990 far more than the 68 original (make no mistake though, the original is a classic).

I just find that Tony Todd's portrayal of Ben in Night 90 is absolutely world class, he makes the role his own, I've never seen an actor pour so much heart and soul into a role, the man is a legend.

I love what they did with Barbara as well, and although Carl Hardman is and always will be the definitive "Mr Cooper", I think that Tom Towles does a damn good at giving us one of the most hated and pitifull characters in any GAR movie.

Oh, and SymphonicX - Don't even joke about it brother...good way to get yerself lynched! :D

[DjfunkmasterG]

I think LAND is over rated, Some people put it on way to high a pedestal.

[Legion2213]

I think LAND is over rated, Some people put it on way to high a pedestal.

Can you hear that rumbling sound? That's MZ turning over the mighty engine of Dead Reckoning... :D

[Doc]

I think LAND is over rated, Some people put it on way to high a pedestal. When did this happen?:confused:

[bassman]

Can you hear that rumbling sound? That's MZ turning over the mighty engine of Dead Reckoning... :D

Nah. I think MZ(along with myself) has had his say in that department. DJ just likes to bring it up every chance he gets.....for some reason.

He's just a lonely ol' man.:p

Dj man....he creeps me out *picks nose*

[SRP76]

I think the '90 remake is the one that is overrated. I just can't get into that movie.

[Doc]

I think the '90 remake is the one that is overrated. I just can't get into that movie. Agreed what's the deal with Night '90? I saw it and didn't impress me much. I mean everybody kept saying it was better than the original, but the way I see it the remake was really inferior.

[bassman]

Agreed what's the deal with Night '90? I saw it and didn't impress me much. I mean everybody kept saying it was better than the original, but the way I see it the remake was really inferior.

:rockbrow:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that it's better than the original. I've heard that it's often more watched when people are putting on marathons because it's more modern and fits in better with the other three, but not that it's better.

[major jay]

I think some may like '90 more because it's in color. The original is a stone cold classic. It has as many good underlying themes as Dawn does. There just a bit dated.

[DrSiN]

I wouldn't call Night 68 overrated, though it certainly doesn't have the same impact today. Night 90 takes the story of Night 68 and refines it. Both are enjoyable films. I still watch Night 68 every Halloween night at midnight. But I watch Night 90 3 or 4 times a year if for nothing else but background noise (I have it in HD saved on my DVR.. where's the BluRay or HDDVD version damn it).

[SoCalLoco]

hahahah I know I am going to get kicked for this...but I've never really liked the original NOTLD....now don't get me wrong, i see it for all its virtues - for all the breakthroughs that it pioneered and all the new ideas that the movie introduced cinema goers to....well I just don't enjoy it that much....I know this is heresy - but I prefer Savini's remake...!!!!!

*shrinks back into corner*

You've always struck me as a noob, so it really isn't surprising to know that you feel this way about the original NOTD.

But seriously... oh wait, I wasn't joking. You are a noob.

[DubiousComforts]

I think some may like '90 more because it's in color. The original is a stone cold classic. It has as many good underlying themes as Dawn does. There just a bit dated.
I think an area where NIGHT '68 being dated actually works in its favor is the depiction of the posse. The sheriff and civilian forces have an air of authority and respectability, and the "redneck" element is more subtle. It isn't until they are shown committing a fatal mistake (gunning down the film's hero) that the illusion of the authorities being competent is shattered.

In NIGHT '90, the posse is immediately depicted as stereotypical country bumpkins, just a step away from being murderers or, in Barbara's case, rapists. Outside of finding a bit too much enjoyment in their grim task, they're not actually shown to be doing anything wrong. Even DAWN's portrayal of the civilian forces as being an accident-waiting-to-happen is much less hamfisted.

[bd2999]

Nothing wrong with you thinking its overrated. It is an older movie and some have trouble getting into those sorts of things, but just because a movie is overrated does not mean that you cannot think its at least good if not great.

I mean I am bias because its my favorite movie ever. I can see why people would like the remake though, but to me the remake lost alot of the realism the original had with the atmosphere and just the real feel to the whole thing, but everyone has to make their own decisions. I think the original TCM is a bit overrated myself.

[Doc]

Since this about Night. Can anyone tell me where to get the original script?

[SymphonicX]

Nothing wrong with you thinking its overrated. It is an older movie and some have trouble getting into those sorts of things, but just because a movie is overrated does not mean that you cannot think its at least good if not great.

I mean I am bias because its my favorite movie ever. I can see why people would like the remake though, but to me the remake lost alot of the realism the original had with the atmosphere and just the real feel to the whole thing, but everyone has to make their own decisions. I think the original TCM is a bit overrated myself.



ahh now i love the original TCM.

I think you hit a good point about realism - Night90 definitely plays out like a movie whilst Night68 feels a bit more documentary in its execution - definitely a big difference there.


You've always struck me as a noob, so it really isn't surprising to know that you feel this way about the original NOTD.

But seriously... oh wait, I wasn't joking. You are a noob.

is there a middle finger emoticon? :middlefingerupyourass:

Ahh guess not.

[DubiousComforts]

Since this about Night. Can anyone tell me where to get the original script?
The script is available on the Millennium edition DVD, or at Axlish's fine web site: NOLD '68 Interactive Script (http://home.comcast.net/~axlish/NOTLD68scriptframes.htm).

IMO, the NOLD shooting script was never refined or finished. Not that it matters one bit, but filmmakers never want to admit when a film is shot without a completed script because they feel it makes them look like hacks.

The character of Ben was completely changed once Duane Jones was cast, though several crude lines remain which are otherwise out-of-character for Ben as Jones portrayed him. The Cooper's kid starts out as "Timmy" but is changed to "Karen" about halfway through the script. Tom is also different, and Judy doesn't appear at all (her scenes were added during filming).

Check out John Russo's novelization, which is a good blend of the original script and the film's character changes.

[SymphonicX]

@Dubious: in a nutshell how is Ben different in the script? (can't be bothered to read it!!)

[DubiousComforts]

@Dubious: in a nutshell how is Ben different in the script? (can't be bothered to read it!!)
In the original script, he's a gruff truck driver. I don't recall if he's ever identified by name. He harbors a pronounced hatred of the ghouls with lines like "Ahm gonna git you, all of you!" Though he's resourceful at securing the house, he's just one step away from being a slack-jawed yokel.

I think Romero was simply going for the most unlikely yet identifiable "hero" with the truck driver character. Prior to NIGHT, horror genre heroes were typically professionals, either scientists, doctors or military men. "Ordinary folks" were usually regulated to being secondary characters.

[major jay]

The sheriff and civilian forces have an air of authority and respectability, and the "redneck" element is more subtle. It isn't until they are shown committing a fatal mistake (gunning down the film's hero) that the illusion of the authorities being competent is shattered.

In NIGHT '90, the posse is immediately depicted as stereotypical country bumpkins, just a step away from being murderers or, in Barbara's case, rapists. Outside of finding a bit too much enjoyment in their grim task, they're not actually shown to be doing anything wrong. Even DAWN's portrayal of the civilian forces as being an accident-waiting-to-happen is much less hamfisted.
There's also the sheriff telling the tv reporter about shooting some zombies clawing their way into a shed. “They must have thought somebody was in there. There wasn’t though”. Or did they recklessly kill the person hiding in that shed?

[Doc]

The script is available on the Millennium edition DVD, or at Axlish's fine web site: NOLD '68 Interactive Script (http://home.comcast.net/~axlish/NOTLD68scriptframes.htm).

IMO, the NOLD shooting script was never refined or finished. Not that it matters one bit, but filmmakers never want to admit when a film is shot without a completed script because they feel it makes them look like hacks.

The character of Ben was completely changed once Duane Jones was cast, though several crude lines remain which are otherwise out-of-character for Ben as Jones portrayed him. The Cooper's kid starts out as "Timmy" but is changed to "Karen" about halfway through the script. Tom is also different, and Judy doesn't appear at all (her scenes were added during filming).

Check out John Russo's novelization, which is a good blend of the original script and the film's character changes. Thanks man! :)






:rockbrow:

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that it's better than the original. I've heard that it's often more watched when people are putting on marathons because it's more modern and fits in better with the other three, but not that it's better. Mostly in reviews is where they say the remake is better....although I have seen threads....... they are out there.