Keeping The Faith

[bassman]

I Aint got a case of anything, read this and pay attention. I HATE LAND. IN MY OPINION IT IS THE WORSE MOVIE EVER HAS NO REDEEMING FEATURES AT ALL. i aint trying to change anyone elses opinion, so stop trying to change mine or tryin to say im missing something or have some kind of disease becuase i hate this film and just accept it. Whoa, chill out there homie. sheesh...

[Trin]

I maintain that Land may one day attain the same stature as Day - but also that by and large mainstream media thinks of Day as a failure, and most GAR fans are lukewarm on it. Land can get to that level, sure. I'd also point out that Land has had plenty of time to get there and hasn't. It didn't take Day this long for the GAR fans to accept, and Day didn't have the quick to media advantage that Land has had. I love any use of the original Day script to display GAR's intentions or genius. The onlly thing the original Day script is evidence of is how insane our beloved Dead series could've become. Honestly, it's a freakin ridiculous read. The number of just insane plot points in there makes me wonder how we ever ended up with the Day we got.

[ItsJustaScratch]

I maintain that Land may one day attain the same stature as Day - but also that by and large mainstream media thinks of Day as a failure, and most GAR fans are lukewarm on it. Land can get to that level, sure. I'd also point out that Land has had plenty of time to get there and hasn't. It didn't take Day this long for the GAR fans to accept, and Day didn't have the quick to media advantage that Land has had. I love any use of the original Day script to display GAR's intentions or genius. The onlly thing the original Day script is evidence of is how insane our beloved Dead series could've become. Honestly, it's a freakin ridiculous read. The number of just insane plot points in there makes me wonder how we ever ended up with the Day we got. Can't really make an assessment on how long it took for Day, but most people nowadays tend make decision's on (instant)face value instead of looking for hidden layers. It is the Playstation Generation, and this may sound harsh, but now we have a huge bar raised as far as visuals are concerned, and 'most' younger members won't appreciate the intrical depths of a story-telling master from the 60's. Slightly going off course here, but it really snaps me when I hear a teenager chatting about a great game, with below-par graphics and saying that sux. Me being almost 30, recall's the days of the Commodore 64 and how far technology has come throughout a Loooong time, whilst the younger generation are born with that silver spoon in their mouths. So is it any wonder why a large percentage of us look at Land and scoff, that sucks. I'd take the authentic/antique style of Land over 'perfume on a pig' Dawn 04 any day of the week. Saying that, I have to admit it was quite entertaining, but nothing more than a faded photo-copy.

[clanglee]

I love any use of the original Day script to display GAR's intentions or genius. The onlly thing the original Day script is evidence of is how insane our beloved Dead series could've become. Honestly, it's a freakin ridiculous read. The number of just insane plot points in there makes me wonder how we ever ended up with the Day we got. Yeah the Day original script can be pretty ridiculous. But a LOT of that spilled over into Land. Many of the same concepts and plots. And even the "feel" and the "meaning" of the movie. I didn't hate Land. But I was let down when I saw it. And it wasn't because of expectations because I honestly didn't know what to expect. I was excited when the movie began. At first I was like "Huh?. . ok no big deal" with each minute I became more "ummm. . what? seriously?" and by the end of the movie I was like "Oh what the fuck!!" I left rather disappointed. I've seen it a few time since and it HAS gotten better with furthwer viewings. . as long as I don't think. As soon as I start to think about the movie all the bullshit plot points ruin the movie for me all over again.

[ItsJustaScratch]

Yeah the Day original script can be pretty ridiculous. But a LOT of that spilled over into Land. Many of the same concepts and plots. And even the "feel" and the "meaning" of the movie. I didn't hate Land. But I was let down when I saw it. And it wasn't because of expectations because I honestly didn't know what to expect. I was excited when the movie began. At first I was like "Huh?. . ok no big deal" with each minute I became more "ummm. . what? seriously?" and by the end of the movie I was like "Oh what the fuck!!" I left rather disappointed. I've seen it a few time since and it HAS gotten better with furthwer viewings. . as long as I don't think. As soon as I start to think about the movie all the bullshit plot points ruin the movie for me all over again. I haven't read the (Why Land Is Shit) thread yet, so again, please specify what you perceive the be the major flaws in the plot that haven't been explained away, intelligently and logically about money, plot strategy and the behaviour of characters. All I ask is, the next time you watch it, compare the events within the scenes with what's going on elsewhere in the world. Not since Dawn, has George spoken a truer word.

[MinionZombie]

There's also a thread for Land Loving too, but they both are essentially the same, as nobody would stick exclusively to one or the other (e.g. lovers in the love thread, haters in the hate thread). It all just became a rammy in both cases. Anyway, I find it interesting with the Day original script being mentioned - because so many times I have heard people say "god I wish that movie was made" (don't read "had been made", more "in addition to") - because indeed elements from that script are in Land - and I'm sure there are Land haters who loved the Day original script. I've only read the original script of Day once, and it was quite good - but that said, I'm more than happy with the actual filmed version of Day - it's the first of GAR's flicks (generally, and in terms of zombies) that I'd ever seen, and I loved it - and still do. At the time it came out, it definitely didn't do well because people wanted Dawn all over again - but you know what, Day was awesome, and Bub is the best zombie ever on screen. Land - I loved it from the off, although last time I watched a clip of it I did find a handful of small niggles - but this was probably because I was writing my own zombie epic at the time to get it on paper, so was in the mindset of "what do I want to see, what haven't I seen, what do I want to see more of, what do I want to re-address" and so on. Land will definitely grow into the other films more and more over time - especially with the rather controversial response to Diary, which is the new "new kid on the block" - and then we have "of the Dead" coming along. Methinks it'll go down better than Diary in general ... I liked Diary, but I wasn't popping a boner for it really. I've seen it three times so far, and I do have the excellent double disc DVD.

[ItsJustaScratch]

Anyway, I find it interesting with the Day original script being mentioned - (generally, and in terms of zombies) that I'd ever seen, and I loved it - and still do. At the time it came out, it definitely didn't do well because people wanted Dawn all over again - but you know what, Day was awesome, and Bub is the best zombie ever on screen. Land - I loved it from the off, although last time I watched a clip of it I did find a handful of small niggles - but this was probably because I was writing my own zombie epic at the time to get it on paper, so was in the mindset of "what do I want to see, what haven't I seen, what do I want to see more of, what do I want to re-address" and so on. Land will definitely grow into the other films more and more over time - especially with the rather controversial response to Diary, which is the new "new kid on the block" - and then we have "of the Dead" coming along. Methinks it'll go down better than Diary in general ... I liked Diary, but I wasn't popping a boner for it really. I've seen it three times so far, and I do have the excellent double disc DVD. Perfect post to get us back on track and I completely agree. Day was the first Gar film I saw back in 92, which just blew my sock's off, delving into the storline with a fresh mind. It was probably also the first film that made me laterally think myself out of the situation with a pounding fear in my heart. If any of you have seen Cube? then you'll agree it's a traditional story-telling horror film. It just goes to proove that you can successfully capture a little bit of brilliance buy making the audience visualize the outside world without having to actually show it. Maybe thats why fans are so stuck on the originals; because now we're in a position budget and special effects wise to create the outside world, which can never align with everybody's vision they had in mind during 20 years; just like reading a good book that makes you paint the backdrop in your mind, and then watching the movie years later starring Tom Hanks.

[clanglee]

I haven't read the (Why Land Is Shit) thread yet, so again, please specify what you perceive the be the major flaws in the plot that haven't been explained away, intelligently and logically about money, plot strategy and the behaviour of characters. All I ask is, the next time you watch it, compare the events within the scenes with what's going on elsewhere in the world. Not since Dawn, has George spoken a truer word. No man. . I'm frankly quite tired of the argument. Read the thread I meantioned and you will see what us "haters" didn't like about the movie. There are frankly to many flaws to mention. I will say this. . I believe you are looking for meaning in the movie. .which is fine and dandy. I prefer to look at the story. . which sucked. Maybe thats why fans are so stuck on the originals; because now we're in a position budget and special effects wise to create the outside world, which can never align with everybody's vision they had in mind during 20 years; just like reading a good book that makes you paint the backdrop in your mind, and then watching the movie years later starring Tom Hanks. Interesting point here tho

[ItsJustaScratch]

No man. . I'm frankly quite tired of the argument. Read the thread I meantioned and you will see what us "haters" didn't like about the movie. There are frankly to many flaws to mention. I will say this. . I believe you are looking for meaning in the movie. .which is fine and dandy. I prefer to look at the story. . which sucked. Interesting point here tho What part exactly from the amazing first trilogy is so special, do you mean politically or story-wise? cos story-wise Night is guy locking himself up with a chick & dying, Dawn is some swat/media dudes locking themselves up and extracting/dying, Day is some military/medical dudes, locking themselves up, but testing the zombies, AND....extracting/dying to an island..so I ask, politics aside, which bit in particular of the Land story is so bad, which doesn't involve dying/locking yourself up and legging it when you get bored or in the shit??

[clanglee]

Land was set up as a political rant. The entire story was bent that was to show GAR's "messages" By that token, he bit off way more than he could chew. The storyline suffered in plausability because he spent the entire time trying to forth his message. If you want examples. . do some research and se my and many other people's MANY previous posts about this same dead-as-a-horse's-flayed-ass subject. In his previous 3 movies the stories were indeed simple yes. That allowed him to work on character growth and plausable plot points. Very rarely in any of the first three movies did I ever have a "oh come on!!" moment. Anyways. . whatever. . you loved the movie. . good for you. Hope that works out for ya.

[ItsJustaScratch]

Land was set up as a political rant. The entire story was bent that was to show GAR's "messages" By that token, he bit off way more than he could chew. The storyline suffered in plausability because he spent the entire time trying to forth his message. If you want examples. . do some research and se my and many other people's MANY previous posts about this same dead-as-a-horse's-flayed-ass subject. In his previous 3 movies the stories were indeed simple yes. That allowed him to work on character growth and plausable plot points. Very rarely in any of the first three movies did I ever have a "oh come on!!" moment. Anyways. . whatever. . you loved the movie. . good for you. Hope that works out for ya. WHAT.. is.. YOUR personal 'oh , come on' , or story line issue that was worse than the first three films, oh come on moments, in your own words..please..

[Mikey]

I genuinely liked the creepiness of NIGHT, DAWN, and DAY because the music was unique. Though I enjoyed LAND (except for Big Daddy screaming and having two chicks on camera smooching -- side note: I love chicks kissing and could watch all day, but it felt like George just threw that in and it was goofy), the music was way too much studio. Has anyone heard who is doing the music for ...of the dead? I hope it's an independent band or something alike that.

[archivesofthede]

I maintain that Land may one day attain the same stature as Day - but also that by and large mainstream media thinks of Day as a failure, and most GAR fans are lukewarm on it. Land can get to that level, sure. I'd also point out that Land has had plenty of time to get there and hasn't. It didn't take Day this long for the GAR fans to accept, and Day didn't have the quick to media advantage that Land has had. I love any use of the original Day script to display GAR's intentions or genius. The onlly thing the original Day script is evidence of is how insane our beloved Dead series could've become. Honestly, it's a freakin ridiculous read. The number of just insane plot points in there makes me wonder how we ever ended up with the Day we got. I agree with you friend.

[clanglee]

WHAT.. is.. YOUR personal 'oh , come on' , or story line issue that was worse than the first three films, oh come on moments, in your own words..please.. Nope. . I'm tired of the conversation frankly. Oh and this thread needs to be moved by the by. It has nothing to do with the untitled project. It's just another Land love/hate thread.

[RickGrimes]

Land is definitely rife with political satire and it's certainly not shy about being heavy handed but Night and Day were pretty clear in their time too. When Night came out the country was just getting into Vietnam and the film was a grisly war footage-esque display of young people being senselessly murdered. It wasn't until much later that people started looking at that film as anything more then trash it hit to close to home to be liked. To a lesser degree the same can be said of Day brutally representing the nihilistic attitude of a nation coming out of the 70s and enduring the cold war. I think Dawn's popularity had a lot to do with it just being a lighter fun romp and commenting a commercialist phenomena that hadn't even hit it's stride yet. And once again we have GAR making Land and having it blatantly commenting on the times and seeming redundant and/or ridiculous about it but I can't help wondering what the first generation to know grow up thinking of 9/11 and Bush as something in a history book will think of the film. I'm curious what you guys think about it in that respect. Basically taking the movie out of it's era of context and looking at it.