Mexican drug war is tearing up Texas and beyond

[strayrider]

Wow another multiple killed shooting this week. What is your fixation with these "bad" gun stories? Hows about some "good" gun stories for a change? http://www.nrapublications.org/AC/index.html -stray-

[Yojimbo]

Nothing against the poster, but bad gun stories further the agenda better than good gun stories. If you want guns banned, then the evil gun stories are the ones you want to focus on.

[strayrider]

Of course, there are always Jethros like this ... http://www.break.com/index/bulletpro...oes-wrong.html I think we should require licenses to breed using strict genetic standards ... -stray-

[SRP76]

Nothing against the poster, but bad gun stories further the agenda better than good gun stories. If you want guns banned, then the evil gun stories are the ones you want to focus on. It only works with people who don't have a clue, but love to use the soapbox. In reality (where they never seem to dwell), it has been legal to own and carry firearms in the United States for well over two hundred years. Point me to the gun crime, massacres, and school shootings that happened before 1970. Good luck. If firearms were "causing crime and violence", they sure as hell took about 150 years to do so. Which means, to anyone with any kind of sense, that the problem isn't that firearms are legal; it's that we have bred far, FAR more dirtbags and shitheads than generations past. Lack of discipline, lack of responsibility. That leads to this. Guns or no guns.

[strayrider]

we have bred far, FAR more dirtbags and shitheads than generations past. Add to that 18-20 million illegal aliens, not all of whom work hard for a living ... throw in a dumbed down education system, a soft on violent crime justice system, a failed psychiatric system and it all adds up to a rather successful Liberal/Socialist/Communist "revolution" in the 1960s. I think Joe McCarthy was right in some respects. -stray-

[Yojimbo]

Of course, there are always Jethros like this ... http://www.break.com/index/bulletpro...oes-wrong.html -stray- Darwin Award candidate, for sure. Idiots like these fools make me cringe- even more so since this is exactly the kind of behavior that the anti-gun contingent uses as propaganda - but as long as there are people walking this earth, there are likely to be stupid people doing everything they can to kill themselves.

[Wooley]

A bulletproof vest, because every American knows that the right to body armor falls under the second amendment, you need an IBA to protect your house, its great for hunting elk too! But those liberals were wrong! If he didn't have An AK-47 and a .22 long rifle he would have use a bulldozer or a knife to kill those three cops. Fail. You do realize that lots of people own body armor for completely legal and moral purposes. Cab drivers, gas station clerks, pizza delivery guys, all work in dangerous professions with a high risk of being robbed and assaulted/murdered, and I've seen all of them on a gun board or another asking about body armor, or talking about the armor they own and use. If I chose work in such a profession I damn sure would drop the couple hundred bucks for at least a surplus police vest for the edge it'd give me in a confrontation with one of the subhumans that infest our planet these days. And you do realize there have been mass killings carried out with cars, blades, poison, and bombs, right? http://www.theadvocates.org/good/a0297.html On May 3rd, 1999, Steven Abrams runs over and kills 2 children, and wounds 4 more with his car, on purpose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre A Japanese man runs over 5 people with a truck, killing 2, before jumping out with a blade, and going on to murder 4 more, and injure 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre Another nutjob in Japan stabs 8 to death, with another 15 wounded, with an ordinary kitchen knife. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Seifert German nut kills 10 and wounds 22 with a FLAMETHROWER and a LANCE before offing himself with an insecticide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Ch...ylenol_murders Someone laces Tylenol with cyanide, killing 7. Wanna know something fun? In my searches on improvised weapons, I've found out how to make cyanide (flamethrower too), and it's not hard at all, requiring no hard to get chemicals, or lab apparatus. Cyanide is what's used in the gas chamber, and becomes cyanide gas when mixed with acid. Like battery acid. You don't think someone with ill intentions couldn't figure out how to whomp up a few pounds and mix them in front of an air intake for the HVAC system of their place of work, school, or other target, turning the building into a giant gas chamber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire Happy Land fire. 87 dead with less than 2 dollars worth of gas. And since you're in the military, I'm sure you're aware of the Iraqi insurgents love of setting off IEDs with cell phones. Don't you think someone here intent on mass murder could rig a few pounds of black powder, using materials available at any US hardware store for completely legal and moral purposes, surrounded with a few more pounds of shrapnel in the form of nails or segmented wire, and detonate them at the right time via phone? They could also rig additonal bombs using motion sensors or infared sensors, also like Iraqi insurgents to cause further casualties among people fleeing the scene or among first responders. Videos for making both black powder and cell phone detonators are available on Youtube. And do I even have to go into the assaults and murders committed inside prisons? If gun control made people safe, where only the 'authorities' had weapons, why wouldn't prisons be among the safest places in the world? Reason-weapons do not cause violence, they are only the tool by which violence is carried out. To make 80 million law abiding gun owners responsible for the actions of a few, is tanamount to making every man responsible for the actions of rapists by virtue of having a penis.

[Yojimbo]

To make 80 million law abiding gun owners responsible for the actions of a few, is tanamount to making every man responsible for the actions of rapists by virtue of having a penis. Thank you Wooley, for your well written response and especially for the very informative link regarding the Abrams case which stands as a good example of how media organizations tend to overemphasize attacks involving firearms at the same time not paying the same level of attention or devoting the same sort of coverage for those cases that do not involve firearms, regardless of bodycount. If firearms were "causing crime and violence", they sure as hell took about 150 years to do so. Don't give them the idea, brother. They might just comb through the historical archives and find some obscure mention of some settler or colonial dude that went postal with a musket, or a cap 'n ball, and then use that to further their argument, and then there will be all kinds of noise about banning flintlocks to save the children and the trees.

[SRP76]

colonial dude that went postal with a musket That brings up a hell of an image.

[Crappingbear]

Last nights local NBC news had a story on the Mexico to Houston drug connection and a bit of what has been going on. Operation 3 star by the Feds has been going on since 2005 and resulted in 110 people being charged and the breakup of 3 cells in Houston who were the local arms of the drug cartels. The route was mostly from Laredo to Houston where Mexican tourist bus companies would come across the border loaded with cocaine and off load the coke in Houston and then carry cash back to Mexico. The trafficers even knew when the border crossing x-ray machines were in use and when not and thats when they moved the buses across. In one bus alone, when busted on the return to Mexico, it had 3 million dollars in cash on board. A minimum of 10Houston murders have been linked to the Mexican cartels primarily killing off each other as competition but they sometimes killed the wrong people by mistake. Jaime Zamara was busted and charged with being one of the local cell leaders. I see these Mexican tour buses all the time on highway 59 going back and forth from Houston to the border. Tonights tv report was only about the Houston connection but its pretty well known San Antonio, El Paso, Dallas/Ft Worth are other route destinations and then its distributed across the country. Officials think there is alot more crime and violence scattered across the U.S. thats directly tied to the cartels in turf battles than previously though or attributed to just your run of the mill gangs.

[Tricky]

In reality (where they never seem to dwell), it has been legal to own and carry firearms in the United States for well over two hundred years. Point me to the gun crime, massacres, and school shootings that happened before 1970. Good luck. . That being the case then it shows that society has obviously changed & the rules should move with that. Im not anti-gun by any means but there should be tighter restrictions on who can have one, take that story this week about that woman who went down a firing range with her son,then shot him in the back of the head before shooting herself because "god had told her to do it" it says she had a history of mental problems so why the hell was she able to own a gun?? Also as you rightly say there werent many incidents involving guns & casual violence pre 1970, but very shortly after that you started getting gangs like the crips forming & using guns on each other,fast forward to now & that gang/gun culture has been completely glamourised & can only be adding to the problem in my opinion! Im giving my UK opinion though so its not something i have a vast personal knowledge of. As for constitutions, we had some in the UK too (not firearms based) but Tony Blair tore them up in his crusade of modernisation,and from what i can see your new leader is very much a tony blair type figure...

[strayrider]

That being the case then it shows that society has obviously changed & the rules should move with that. Im not anti-gun by any means but there should be tighter restrictions on who can have one, take that story this week about that woman who went down a firing range with her son,then shot him in the back of the head before shooting herself because "god had told her to do it" it says she had a history of mental problems so why the hell was she able to own a gun?? A lot of the individuals involved in the various mass shootings were known mental patients. My question has always been "why were they allowed to walk the streets?" Shouldn't we place tighter restrictions on mental cases before we trod on everyone else's rights? -stray-

[SRP76]

A lot of the individuals involved in the various mass shootings were known mental patients. My question has always been "why were they allowed to walk the streets?" Shouldn't we place tighter restrictions on mental cases before we trod on everyone else's rights? -stray- Taking away their right to vote would be a good step. People want to put all kinds of restrictions on gun owners, but let any fucking Manson choose the lawmakers. Makes no sense to me.

[Tied2thetracks]

I got ran off the boards for talking like this, glad it became trendy.

[strayrider]

People want to put all kinds of restrictions on gun owners, but let any fucking Manson choose the lawmakers. Makes no sense to me. If you understand the totalitarian agenda of the far Left (and of the far Right, for that matter), it makes perfect sense. It is as cunning and ingenious as it is creepy. Create a problem, offer a "common sense" solution. -stray- ps -- Bear, sorry this thread got "hi-jacked" from its original intent. I believe that if the Feds got their noses out of the "War on Drugs" and let the States deal with their own affairs (as the Constitution dictates), the problems in Texas would end rather quickly.