XBox One [console]

[Neil]

That's scary and will utterly kill the second hand market! That said, it's sort of the way some of it is going. I buy all my games (well most) through Steam. I can't sell/lend those!

[Danny]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ork-apparently £35 to unlock preowned games. While that at least means games will still be attainable after they leave shelves - particularly if theres a small release for a game, but still if you get a game preowned for like £19.99, the common preowned price for triple a titles that can maintain sales long after its release, and then pay £35? thats like 85 dollars for a preowned game for american posters. Sure you could get a game like a dollar or something years later if its not like gta or something and they hike it back up for 20 every time a new ones on the way because "lol sequel tax" but you are still paying almost full price for a game, more actually if you go to a shop like asda or wall mart and get it for below the gamestore price. Now i know the other shit pissed me off, and with good reason. This just seems a strange move. Are they trying to dissuade used games sales? or just make more money because of them? Its difficult to say what exactly they hope to gain from this one because im hard pressed to think of a situation where i found get like a "4 games for £20" deal from gamestation and then be willing to give up a further £140 just to be able to play those 4 games. I guess they think people will be more urged to buy something new because that would be like a different deal, but honestly it pretty much works out to cost the same as the new game, but its not garuanteed to be in good condition. So why buy preowned at all if its not a price on savings? Well i dont know about you but that only leaves finding obscure games that you missed a few years back that you can no longer find brand new as the only reason. But then i could just go to some site like amazon or play asia or something to find a sealed copy cheap which in the long run is just harming your local game retailers and nobody else. Which, when you think about it, is exactly the same situation as right now.

[shootemindehead]

What happens then if Sony continue with the current 2nd hand games situation? Would that mean pressure from publishers to get them to toe the line with the MS way? Or will they just say fu*k you and carry on and where will that lead? It's a strange situation. It seems that this thing has adapted a lot of bad things and doesn't seem to offer anything that's worth handing over 100's of Euros for. I actually cannot see any reason to fork out for one.

[Danny]

Well the long and short of it is all these things there are pushing are things from the pc because they want greater windows 8 interconnectivity. Which just makes the consumer think "if i want that ill buy a gaming pc"

[Neil]

What happens then if Sony continue with the current 2nd hand games situation? Would that mean pressure from publishers to get them to toe the line with the MS way? Or will they just say fu*k you and carry on and where will that lead? It's a strange situation. It seems that this thing has adapted a lot of bad things and doesn't seem to offer anything that's worth handing over 100's of Euros for. I actually cannot see any reason to fork out for one. Indeed, if Sony allow the second hand market to continue, and given the PS4 is more powerful, it could appeal to a lot of folks!

[Danny]

Indeed, if Sony allow the second hand market to continue, and given the PS4 is more powerful, it could appeal to a lot of folks! Still needs a selling point though. I mean a lot of folks this gen, myself included hated the ps3 because it had shit all games, the last 2 years have turned that around with it far outdoing the 360 in new ip exclusives. Hopefully sony learned that you should start that strong, not end that way. Personally i feel the last of us and beyond: two souls should have been held as launch titles. That and industry rumour suggests they are really throwing money at konami to keep metal gear solid 5 a sony exclusive.

[Neil]

But the PS4 has moved hardware so it will be easier for developers to port to it from PC/Xbox.

[Danny]

But the PS4 has moved hardware so it will be easier for developers to port to it from PC/Xbox. True, but its all up to sony learning its lesson from last gen or not. They came out late with not enough games, poor online security and a psn that at the time was a really shitty xbla imitation. They have the potential to come out swinging, but after the wii U and xbox one reveals im cautiously optimistic at best.

[MinionZombie]

I do wonder - what with all these contradictory statements from inside MS, and all the general confusion and befuddlement over any question that gamers and the gaming industry actually WANT answers to - if MS has chucked all these possibilities in to test the water and see how they fly. If they can get away with it, it stays, but if the market says "sod that you cheeky bastards" and starts gripping tightly onto their money, then MS would (surely?!) cast some of these idiotic ideas out the window ... ... that's what I'd hope for at this stage ... ... but the fact that they thought these ideas were good enough to even attempt to get by the consumer just shows a real corporate ignorance of their consumers. Everytime they try to explain something I'm just like "waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too complicated ... my brain hurts" ... ... as well as thinking "the stupid. it burns!"

[Danny]

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1Is9YJ...v-achievements achievements for watching adverts? I think this is the biggest troll in history. it HAS to be..

[Tricky]

One of my work colleagues pre ordered his Xbox today, £600!!!!!! I can see that causing some disappointment at Christmas when kids start demanding one that their parents can't afford!

[MinionZombie]

One of my work colleagues pre ordered his Xbox today, £600!!!!!! I can see that causing some disappointment at Christmas when kids start demanding one that their parents can't afford! HOW MUCH???!!! *oh my, the vapours...*

[krakenslayer]

One of my work colleagues pre ordered his Xbox today, £600!!!!!! I can see that causing some disappointment at Christmas when kids start demanding one that their parents can't afford! I think that's probably a placeholder price. Retailers want to allow Xbox superfans to pre-order the console, but don't know how much to charge for it, as the retail price has not yet been announced. So they sell it at a price that they expect to be higher than the final price, by a safe margin of £100-£200, then refund whatever the difference is back to the consumer when the console is shipped. It's less hassle for the retailer than trying to guesstimate the price, then having to chase customers for an extra £50 or £100 when the cost fluctuates in the run-up to release.

[Neil]

As Kraken says, those are at place holder prices I believe. ie: They'll drop down to the actual price close to release.

[Tricky]

Even so, if it drops by £100 it's still far, far more than any parent on an average income is going to want to spend so little Johnny has a big smiley face at Christmas, except they'll feel they have to. It's fine for someone working who wants to spend that on themselves if they have the money, but my parents winced at the prospect of spending £100 on a Megadrive for me when I was 11, never mind the best part of a months wages!