Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Paradise Z (film)

  1. #1
    Webmaster Neil's Avatar
    Administrator

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    nr London
    Posts
    16,369
    England

    Paradise Z (film)

    Hey, it's 2021, of course zombie films need to start becoming woke... So it'll be bad..?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OkIEeBig7k
    Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. [click for more]
    -Carl Sagan

  2. #2
    Team Rick MinionZombie's Avatar
    Super Moderator

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    The Mandatorium
    Posts
    24,249
    UK
    Simply having a lesbian couple as the protagonists doesn't make it "woke".

    Now, if there was a load of preachy sermonising crowbarred into it, then it'd be some cringy "woke" thing - but the trailer suggests none of that. There's certainly no eye-roll-inducing text, like Captain Marvel had slathered all over it, for example.

    There's nothing there to suggest it'd be some Twitter-fuelled cringe-fest of jackhammered wokery.

  3. #3
    Webmaster Neil's Avatar
    Administrator

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    nr London
    Posts
    16,369
    England
    Quote Originally Posted by MinionZombie View Post
    Simply having a lesbian couple as the protagonists doesn't make it "woke".

    Now, if there was a load of preachy sermonising crowbarred into it, then it'd be some cringy "woke" thing - but the trailer suggests none of that. There's certainly no eye-roll-inducing text, like Captain Marvel had slathered all over it, for example.

    There's nothing there to suggest it'd be some Twitter-fuelled cringe-fest of jackhammered wokery.
    Lead characters being lesbian, seemingly for no reason other than to be lesbian...
    Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. [click for more]
    -Carl Sagan

  4. #4
    Team Rick MinionZombie's Avatar
    Super Moderator

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    The Mandatorium
    Posts
    24,249
    UK
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    Lead characters being lesbian, seemingly for no reason other than to be lesbian...
    As opposed to, what, another generic hetero couple with no chemistry whose only purpose is for two things: 1) a bit of nookie, 2) bolted-on 'peril' via cheap emotional short cut?

    I think it's a bit knee-jerk to judge it based on that trailer alone, especially as them being a lesbian couple isn't used - at least in the trailer - for any kind of grandstanding.

    I can't be doing with asinine jackhammer cringe wokery, corporatised for Twitter-based cash grab purposes, but you're seeing something totally different than I am from this trailer.

  5. #5
    Webmaster Neil's Avatar
    Administrator

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    nr London
    Posts
    16,369
    England
    Quote Originally Posted by MinionZombie View Post
    especially as them being a lesbian couple isn't used - at least in the trailer - for any kind of grandstanding.:
    5 seconds in, intimate lesbian shoulder rub...
    7 seconds in, lesbian kiss...
    10 seconds in, lesbian nipples...

    Yep, no grandstanding of lesbianage

    For me, this is just more of the current trend... Heck, last year, wasn't Star Wars and even the Last Of Us 2 lesbianated too?

    Quote Originally Posted by MinionZombie View Post
    I think it's a bit knee-jerk to judge it based on that trailer alone
    Maybe I just have a very sensitive wokedar...
    Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. [click for more]
    -Carl Sagan

  6. #6
    Team Rick MinionZombie's Avatar
    Super Moderator

    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    The Mandatorium
    Posts
    24,249
    UK
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post
    5 seconds in, intimate lesbian shoulder rub...
    7 seconds in, lesbian kiss...
    10 seconds in, lesbian nipples...

    Yep, no grandstanding of lesbianage

    Maybe I just have a very sensitive wokedar...
    1) None of that was "grandstanding", though. How's that any different than 'hetero shoulder rub/hetero kiss/hetero nipples'. It was literally that ordinary in the trailer. Not a jot of 'grab the audience's head, and shove it down their throat' ... that sort of thing would be like, for example, the Captain Marvel trailer shoving "history ... herstory ... HER story, geddit, huh huh?" ... or the 'all the Marvel women save the guy' moment from Avengers Endgame that was so cringe and forced (unlike the far more natural moment where three of the Marvel ladies teamed up during the big battle in the previous film Infinity War).

    In this trailer it's literally - here are two people who get involved in a zombie outbreak. They just so happen to be a lesbian couple. There's no flag waving grandstanding or whatever other heavy-footed megaphoning like you seem to think.

    The trailer's much more focused on zombie action (of course it has to be feckin' raptor zombies again ... lazy), or indeed, the ropey shoehorning of trying to get the title into the dialogue and to play up the irony of "paradise".

    2) Oversensitive, I think.

    Who knows what the actual film is like - we haven't seen it - but nothing in this trailer, at least, suggests whatever you've got into your head.

  7. #7
    Webmaster Neil's Avatar
    Administrator

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    nr London
    Posts
    16,369
    England
    A fairly positive review here at least (& seems it was released last year? And also under the title 'Death Earth'?):-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK8sgoN3qkY
    Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there--on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam. [click for more]
    -Carl Sagan

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •