UK FOLK! - against ID Cards?

[MinionZombie]

I know I am, so I signed the petition against them here: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IDcards/ (closes on the 15th February, so chop chop chaps!) I don't wanna get into some big old fight about it, but just in case those against these retarded proposals didn't know about the petition against them, well now you do. It currently has around 19,000 signatures thus far, so pass it around to like-minded folk. To Tricky specifically - if you haven't heard, the Conservatives officially stated if they're elected they'll shaft the ID Cards and are currently drawing up plans and such to deal with scrapping this garbage.

[Andy]

I know I am, so I signed the petition against them here: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/IDcards/ (closes on the 15th February, so chop chop chaps!) I don't wanna get into some big old fight about it, but just in case those against these retarded proposals didn't know about the petition against them, well now you do. It currently has around 19,000 signatures thus far, so pass it around to like-minded folk. To Tricky specifically - if you haven't heard, the Conservatives officially stated if they're elected they'll shaft the ID Cards and are currently drawing up plans and such to deal with scrapping this garbage. just signed it VOTE CONSERVATIVE!

[MinionZombie]

just signed it VOTE CONSERVATIVE! AMERI...er...CONSERVATIVE! F*CK YEAH!

[Tricky]

God damn i couldnt type my details in fast enough,lets have that stupid gestapo money draining idea gone eh?

[MinionZombie]

Spread the good word, chap. hehe, I had such a grin when I scrolled down and saw your name already on here viewing the thread.

[Tricky]

I put the petition against car tracking devices on my myspace bulletin a few weeks ago and within days it was being spread via everyone else on there in bulletins!so il be doing the same with this one & hopefully it will get a similar response!

[capncnut]

MZ me boy, signed, sealed, delivered and the link passed on to another 10-12 people. VOTE CONSERVATIVE! Always have done, always will.

[coma]

just signed it VOTE CONSERVATIVE! I always find that odd. Voting Conservative for Freedom. I dont know about the nuances of British politcal ideology, but in the US voting conservative means No social programs vast economic inequality no work safety extensive personal Surveillence Endless war Jesus in every area of life imposed. That is not what it's totally supposed to be , but thats what it ends up being. When Americans look for Conservatives to "save America" we end up with a stuutering retard.

[MinionZombie]

I think the thing with American politics is that there's just two parties, and that is the inherent problem - one is too right wing, the other is too left wing. So it's all a bit dodgy, at least that's how I see it. The Conservatives have (in one form or another - they used to be called The Tories, hence their nickname) been around since the 18th Century and have been in power for a long time (when you add all their terms together). Winston Churchill, one of the greatest leaders in the world - the man who brought Britain through World War 2 for cryin' out loud - was a Conservative (now Blair can't even handle just Iraq with all this technology and American allies from the beginning!) Basically, as the Conservative party have been around for so long, they've seen this country grow over a long period of time. By comparison, the current gubment - the Labour Party, only came into being in the 20th Century ... two thirds of which they weren't in power for (and famously were out of power for 18 years straight from 1979 to 1997). Some segments of the Conservative Party (more likely the older fartier types, the old boys) are more the classic old bastards completely out-of-touch with anything below the lower end of the upper class, however they're dying out and are out of touch. These are the people who helped keep the glass ceiling in existence for women in business, but that's slowly eroding as these old farts die out - and as a result their old foosty politics are dying out). The Conservatives basically stand for giving responsibility and personal power back to the individual, whereas Labour - traditionally being a bunch of socialists at heart - want to gain as much power and control as possible, they love it, they can't get enough power and enough money and enough control - so they bring in measures which seek to stomp down the public and give them yet more power ... but they're too stupid to realise that tactic doesn't work. A working Britain is a country whose citizens are given the ability to achieve for themselves, to gain self respect through doing, not mooching. A good government should provide for the truly needy, but ultimately provide the means for everyone to do the best that they can - and that is ultimately what the Conservative Party represents, and like I said before, the old school "old boy" ignorance - I feel - is wearing off and dying out, because those who hold those views are dying out themselves. In the UK it is generally kept that religion is separate from state as much as possible, in America it appears as if that ideal has gotten completely lost with the Republican Party, but then again in America there seems to be more 'rampant' religion and therefore potentially dangerous religion (and I don't just mean bombing style danger). I'm not saying the Conservatives are golden and have done no wrong - they have, but who wouldn't do some stuff wrong? The point is that Labour have done inexplicable damage. It's funny, for the past 10 to 15 years it's been people sucking air through their teeth when the Conservatives are mentioned, this is swinging quite quickly over to said air being sucked through said teeth at the mention of Labour ... methinks Blair's (and that twat Brown's) legacy will certainly go down in political history as - over the piece - a disaster on many levels.

[coma]

I think the thing with American politics is that there's just two parties, and that is the inherent problem - one is too right wing, the other is too left wing. So it's all a bit dodgy, at least that's how I see it. The Conservatives have (in one form or another - they used to be called The Tories, hence their nickname) been around since the 18th Century and have been in power for a long time (when you add all their terms together). Winston Churchill, one of the greatest leaders in the world - the man who brought Britain through World War 2 for cryin' out loud - was a Conservative (now Blair can't even handle just Iraq with all this technology and American allies from the beginning!) The Democrat Party in recent years have not been Particularly liberal, like Clintons Welfare reform, a conservative idea, Recently they have bonded more with their base, but only after many losses from being REpublican lite. Conservative commentators label them "far left" but their has been no left wing party in the US for almost 30 years until recently. They return to their roots and win big. Originally there was a big ultra conservative wing of the dem pary who switched to GOP after Reagan. There was one socialist in US gov and he swirched to democrat. For many years it was one party seperated by a name only. Only in the last year or two do we have an actual choice. I dont know where people get the dem (Not recently) are far left. ONly conservative commentators say that and even Rush admits it is not even close to true. American Political life starts at left of center and swings to Far Right/Authoritarian. There are no elected Leftists, though there are many Americans who follow that ideology FDR, who was a staunch liberal (not a lefty, though) led the US to Victory as well, as well as saving us from a probable Fascist revolution in the depression with the NEw Deal/ Thanks for the lengthy post, I have better understanding now, though I feel if you get you way you may end up being very disappointed, like GOP supporters are now.

[kortick]

they are planning on having national ID cards here in America too I am going to demand no such thing I want a bar code tattooed across my forehead and you should demand one too lets all become numbers

[Danny]

you know there'd be a rush for "thx-1138"

[Terran]

Whose going to be 55378008?

[Danny]

nd of course lou would get 666 (or 616 if you wanna get picky) since apparently he IS the devil

[HLS]

They are trying to get universal ID's here in the USA. Instead of a drivers licence from the state you live in they want drivers licence id's tied to the federal government and homeland security. There is a lot of hoopla on this. It is called the Real Act of 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act_of_2005 http://www.realnightmare.org/