 Originally Posted by Wyldwraith
All excellent points,
But rewind a bit. BEFORE the military gets hit by the infected civilians who have turned from inside and the zombies from outside. BEFORE a HUGE % of a major city is undead, gathered and headed for the few locations the military secured. BEFORE all this evidence of how hopeless it all is filters down to the common rifleman.
The first engagements of any significance (by significance I mean an engagement with a strong chance of destroying many zombies), are going to be at/against the outermost defensive positions of the concentric-rings-style defensive position. The kind of deployment a brigade/division might use to say, secure the area around a major bridge they are funneling civilians across before they intend to blow the bridge.
Or what about the very high-priority assets. The ones the military deems worth "holding at any cost"?
Both of these scenarios would AT THE BEGINNING of the shit REALLY hitting the fan, be essentially Dug-in Military Forces, with extensive anti-personnel explosives at chokepoints and overlapping fields of fire from multiple machine-guns VERSUS say, 1,000 zombies. (About what you might expect to pour out of a now-zombified neighborhood, overrun hospital, emergency shelter etc.)
In order to work up to the factors that all of you describe as being the reasons the military loses, we must FIRST proceed through the situations that precede it all coming off the rails and the bottom falling out.
Or, lets even say that NOT ONE GROUND UNIT accomplished ANYTHING of significance. The zombie hordes have now massed, and consist of 90-95% of Atlanta's former population, and are surging north in huge concentrations pursuing withdrawing military and fleeing civilians from northern Georgia. Explain away the fact that there is always ZERO AIR SUPPORT for the military in EVERY DAMNED DEPICTION of zombies vs. military?
It's not like it takes hours to re-arm, fuel (with extra drop-tanks if they must be scrambled from an extended distance) and scramble various types of fighters capable of dropping 500-1000lbs bombs, Hellfire-type devices, Thermobaric devices....or just good old fashioned air-to-ground missiles (in the case of jets) or something like Shrike rockets (in the case of attack choppers).
Yea, you can come up with reasons why it always works out this way, but that isnt necessarily the way it'd be. Respect the awful power of 21st century ordinance if you refuse to respect the soldiers courage/commitment. (And YES, SOMEWHERE ON A DAMNED CARRIER, THERE WOULD STILL BE JETS AND PILOTS TO FLY THEM.)
K, getting a lil frustrated, so time to take a bit of a hiatus from thread.
Im assuming from the way that your speak that your either in the millitary or you come from a millitary family, and beleive me, we are not intentionally disrespecting the armed forces but there's so many factors, the moral drain alone is but one.
Another factor to consider is at what stage of a zombie apocalypse does the government get itself together and call the millitary in? Remember at first incident, zombie attacks are going to be reported as murders, serial murders and eventually riots.. The civilian police force are going to try to handle this for a long time before the millitary get the order, you look at the recent riots in england in our capital city, and members of our royal family where attacked and the millitary still where not called in. By the time our boys in green get the call and are deployed to cities across the country, the shit is already going to have hit the fan.
Also high prioirty targets, buildings which the millitary will want to hold at any cost are going to be government buildings like the CDC, possibly the pentagon, army and airforce bases and your right enough these places are going to be the last to hold out, but while the millitary is encircled and running itself out of supplies, the zombie numbers are going to be multiplying by the second.
As for air support and possible bombing, i personally dont think any government in the world will order bombing on its own soil until it really is all lost, in the early stages no government will consider this as a option. Dropping off tanks and stuff is another matter, its all good but again, i dont think a government is readilly going to deply anti-personel and heavy weaponary for use against civilians until it really is too late, and by that stage i think alot of pilots will either have either desserted to be with their families or be dead.
We're not saying the millitary would be incompetant or not commited, im sure they would do their best but at the end of the day i wouldnt count on the army to save me purely becuase a zombie apocolypse is not comparable to any other kind of warfare, it is not what the millitary are trained to deal with.. your not fighting a enemy for king and country, your trying to protect civilians from other civilians, your being asked to shoot the sick and infirm, your unsure where or who your going to get attack from next, your fighting a enemy that could be anyone around you, men, women, children, the elderly, the disabled.. your getting confused orders, yoursupplies are dwindling, your worried about your own family and friends.. above all else your fighting an enemy who never gets tired and relentlessly advances 24/7, who cannot be reasoned with, cannot be bargained with or surrendered to and has no other goal than to rip the flesh off your bones with its own teeth.
Not that the millitary would be incompetant or ill-commited but they would be misinformed, badly supplied and thrown into a shitstorm the likes of which they have never been trained for, prepared for and nobody in human history has ever had to face before.
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