And it begins: Obama Renews Push to Reduce Gun Violence

[Publius]

Richard Martinez blames the NRA and government. Obviously the individual behind the gun that shot his son is in the mix too... But had he not had access to those guns (so easily)... He's a little short on details about what additional regulations would have prevented this. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S., with background checks, 10-day waiting period, and handgun registration. At about the same time as this incident, someone fatally shot three people at a Jewish museum in Belgium, which has even stricter gun controls than California. There is no conceivable way we'll get stricter gun controls on a national level in the United States than Belgium has.

[Neil]

He's a little short on details about what additional regulations would have prevented this. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S., with background checks, 10-day waiting period, and handgun registration. At about the same time as this incident, someone fatally shot three people at a Jewish museum in Belgium, which has even stricter gun controls than California. There is no conceivable way we'll get stricter gun controls on a national level in the United States than Belgium has. I understand your point, but feel you're not being entirely fair in your analogy. Do strong gun restrictions stop gun crime (murder)? Of course not. We have strong gun control here in the UK, but do we still gave deaths (murder) with guns? Of course. But because guns are harder to come by - definately for spur of the moment killings - they're simply not used. To go back to your comparison, there's a reason maybe why the US has a far higher death per X population than Belgium. Some of it will be cultural and down to other reasons, but I suspect a huge proportion will be, make guns available more easily to people who want to kill people with them... they'll kill people with them! A mentally unstable teenager hits breaking point - Would you prefer he has guns more/less easily accessible? ps: I'm not suggesting removing all guns in the US, just pointing out my view on their use/availability.

[SBEADER]

Sociopaths are born that way its genetic and a simple mri of the brain. clearly shows the remarkable difference from a normal person.A Sociopath by there very nature will never obey any laws or moral codes....

[Neil]

Sociopaths are born that way its genetic and a simple mri of the brain. clearly shows the remarkable difference from a normal person.A Sociopath by there very nature will never obey any laws or moral codes.... That, or I guess made into one by repeated bruising by society...

[SBEADER]

The western world chooses emotion over science until that changes the problems with violence won't have any solutions. sad to say....

[Publius]

A mentally unstable teenager hits breaking point - Would you prefer he has guns more/less easily accessible? As an abstract hypothetical question about an ideal controlled environment, divorced from questions about the effectiveness of specific policies at influencing that variable (or their possible unintended consequences), certainly I would pick "less easily." But I was responding to Martinez's claim that the NRA is to blame for this incident (which didn't involve a teenager, and no one has explained what the NRA did that allowed this incident to occur).

[SBEADER]

It leads one to wonder why are left wing people so violent. Why do they fixate on gun violence when hands feet bats and knives are the leading cause of murder in the USA. Why do they hide. behind liberalism when they aren't in any way shape or form liberals.Why do they habour such intense raceism and misogyny why is history repplete with there ethnoreligious genocide ???

[AcesandEights]

It leads one to wonder why are left wing people so violent. Why do they fixate on gun violence when hands feet bats and knives are the leading cause of murder in the USA. Why do they hide. behind liberalism when they aren't in any way shape or form liberals.Why do they habour such intense raceism and misogyny why is history repplete with there ethnoreligious genocide ??? Do you actually believe this partisan tripe? Talk issues and stop looking for shallow arguments that prop up a one-dimensional worldview filled with this us vs. them crap.

[SBEADER]

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[shootemindehead]

The National Socialists were right wing lad. Just because Die Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei had sozialistische in its title doesn't make it a left wing party. It was a social model based on an right wing nationalist building block. Hitler abhorred the left wing. He banned the German Communist Party. He banned the German Socialist Party. He banned trade unions for christ's sake, the very staple of left wing workers ideology.

[SBEADER]

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[shootemindehead]

Socialism only means a social model. Don't confuse socialism (small c), a social model, with Socialism (Big C), the left wing ideology. The nazis had a social model based on right wing ideologies. They were as far from left wing as you can get. In addition, Bolshevism morphed into Stalinism, which not what the Communist experiment was supposed to be about. Stalin highjacked the success of the revolution for his own ends and it certainly is indicative of Socialism by any means.

[SBEADER]

The nazis were left wing fascists there state system of the group over the individual is exactly the same as the bolshevists because its based on the exact same doctrines of socialism ecact same 10 planks of comunisim exactly the same ......The nazis were extreme left wing socialsts thats well known and documented historical fact......ps by definition all true fascisim is lefy wing...

[Mr. Clean]

I disagree with the point about us hanging onto our guns because of "insecurities". Our guns definitely give us a better opportunity to rebel if we were required to do so. However.... It is true about America being in a tight spot... "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Over the past decade, our pledge has become practically meaningless.....More and more denounce God's existence....Politicians have made us very much divisible by slapping labels on us...black, white, rich, poor, republican, democrat....we fight and shit on each other because of these labels........people constantly allow the government to shit on our liberties and not to mention justice is an absolute joke in our country...

[SBEADER]

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