How did the bikers survive?

[krakenslayer]

I can see the logic behind claims that Land takes place before, or around the same time as Day. I don't agree with them, but I can see some sense in the argument. But Dawn!? No way. Think about the crumbling, gutted remains of the city that we see, crumbling after battles and years of neglect. And lines of dialogue that pepper the film, like "I've lived in the city since... it was a real city." Since a couple of weeks back? You're barking up the wrong tree there, Philly.

[Mike70]

easy answer: they found a giant twinkie depot. much to tallahassee's chagrin.

[dracenstein]

Watched Land last night, the only stated date was that Cholo worked for Kaufman for three years. Of course, we don't know if Cholo worked for him pre-Outbreak.

[EvilNed]

They also mention something about "the last car that drove out of here was three years ago". There's no question Land takes place 3 years after the outbreak. Only question that remains is when Dawn and Day take place.

[Trencher]

I think the bikers are the remmenants of the army and barbaque groups we see the helicopter pass over in the beginning. Or a simmular group. The reason they have survived is that there have been a lot more of them. Keep in mind diary where you see what Gar thinks about the millitary and survival where you see what he thinks about rual good old boys groups. I think Garys point was that millitia types are just a small steps away from becoming full fledged vandals.

[Philly_SWAT]

Doesn't it explicitly say that Land takes place three years after the outbreak? No, as mentioned further down, there are two mentions of the phrase "three years", which in and of itself proves nothing. Can't take place at same time as start of Dawn, during the police/National Guard raid on the Projects, they weren't worried about zombies coming up behind them. Yes, around THE START of Dawn...they were in the mall several months by the end of the movie. c'mon man, that borders on the ridiculous. it isn't convential wisdom but common sense. it is obvious that Land takes place a long time after the events in dawn or in any of the other movies. the sheer amount of organization and social structure that has arisen is evidence of that. that sort of thing takes time. What borders on ridiculous is thinking that in a scant three years the sheer amount of organization and social structure that has arisen could take place. That in three years, the world has gone from total chaos to a world where people live in luxery apartments, money is used as a means of exchange, and people are so used to/unafraid of zombies that there are used as entertainment in night clubs. Ridiculous that people whose mothers, daughters, sons and fathers have been killed by zombies, or worse yet, BECAME zombies, yet three years later their survivors hoot and holler it up in nightclub watching zombies fight. "Dude, didnt the red zombie used to be your fiance'?" "No, we were actually married before she turned. YEEHAAA!!! Come on honey win this zed fight, I got a 20 spot riding on ya!" It makes much more sense that the organization and social structure was what was left of the previous society, not some new society. Do you really think a society can be built in three years? And the callousness of the nightclub patrons...it makes more sense that it was kind of a PTSD from recent events, not after 3 years with time to think and grieve. what evidence do you have that it takes place sooner? George A. Romero's dead movies. like dracenstein, i believe that it is explicitly stated in the movie that it has been years since the outbreak. And like dracenstein, you would be incorrect. I can see the logic behind claims that Land takes place before, or around the same time as Day. I don't agree with them, but I can see some sense in the argument. But Dawn!? No way. By the end of Dawn, the outbreak was several months in. It makes perfect sense that in Land, the reason they are so protected and organized is because they are close to the start of the outbreak, not well into the outbreak. A major theme in all of GAR's dead movies are that people can not cooperate together, including in Land. But what, they had a MAJOR cooperation effort to retake the city well into the outbreak? That is what makes no sense. Think about the crumbling, gutted remains of the city that we see, crumbling after battles and years of neglect. And lines of dialogue that pepper the film, like "I've lived in the city since... it was a real city." Since a couple of weeks back? Have you been to Pittsburgh recently? Many areas of the city RIGHT NOW are crumbling after years or neglect, and there is no zombie outbreak. People could easily say RIGHT NOW the line "I've lived in the city since... it was a real city." But it didnt look crumbling to me. The people were dirty/dingy in Land, but the buildings looked fine. The Green looked absolutely fabulous. Watched Land last night, the only stated date was that Cholo worked for Kaufman for three years. Of course, we don't know if Cholo worked for him pre-Outbreak. Precisely. I have made that exact point in the past. They also mention something about "the last car that drove out of here was three years ago". There's no question Land takes place 3 years after the outbreak. Only question that remains is when Dawn and Day take place. So, are you saying that you think it is IMPOSSIBLE that in that particular garage it had been 3 years since a car drove out of there, but that fact has nothing to do with the zed outbreak? It isnt possible that a garage can go out of business prior to a zombie outbreak? There are many garages around here that have been out of business for longer than 3 years. If a zombie outbreak starts tomorrow, and I was at one of those garages, I could say "it had been 10 years since the last car drove out of here". i certainly wouldnt be trying to imply the outbreak had been going on for 10 years. You can say you disagree that was the case in the movie, but you can not say that it doesnt make perfect sense. (OK you COULD say it doesnt make sense, but it doesnt make logical sense).

[Mike70]

you can believe whatever you want, philly. 3 years is a long time and you can forget just about anything in 3 years, esp. if the rest of the world has changed so much and your survival depends on forgetting. the sheer amount of organization sort of destroys your argument anyway. it takes awhile for that sort of thing to develop. it doesn't happen overnight. this is my final word on the subject. there are far more interesting threads to waste keyboard strokes on.

[childofgilead]

Taking into assumption that the bikers were, in fact, a singular group and not just outriders of a larger force, they were decimated by ONE Philadelphia SWAT member..all Stephen did was distract, I don't recall him getting a single human kill. They had the numbers, they had the guns..what they were short on was common sense and a modicum of preservation instinct. On the one hand, you can dismiss it as a comic book of a movie, which it's creator has sometimes implied. Or, you can take what you see on the screen, apply logic and come to some sort of understanding. There looked to be some hardcore bikers along with some hangers on. Blood pressure guy, SS helmet, basically most that aren't wearing leathers. Now, we don't see the fates of alot of the bikers who we get close ups of, but we do see what kind of carnage a single well armed, well trained, well disciplined fighter can inflict on a bunch of yahoos who rely on noise and numbers. They ran off when the bullets started flying. Hell..I'm up too late again with too little sleep..rambling..must stop..*gruz*