My school is under nazi rule...

[EvilNed]

There are many things that are unpleasant. Getting smoke blown in your face is just one of em'. I don't particulary fancy when people throw up around me, but that doesn't mean I'm against alcohol. And now you'll say "Yeah, but second hand smoking kills.", and yes this is true. But what is also true is that if you don't want to stand next to a smoker, you don't have too. So again, there's no valid argument there. Not for closing down smoking on a college. I can agree to banning inside smoking, because that's just filthy and gets stuck in the walls. But smoking outside? Come on, complaining about that is like complaining about rain. And now I'm gonna go out for a cigarette.

[SRP76]

Fine. How about if we ban ugly people, too? Seeing them causes me psychological trauma. Don't try to say looking at ugly people all day doesn't have a negative health effect. So, since we're trying to force people into health, we have to get rid of the eyesores. Just say no to hunchbacks.

[MikePizzoff]

Glad to see you guys are on the same level as me. Except Hells - go F yourself!

[Danny]

There are many things that are unpleasant. Getting smoke blown in your face is just one of em'. I don't particulary fancy when people throw up around me, but that doesn't mean I'm against alcohol. And now you'll say "Yeah, but second hand smoking kills.", and yes this is true. But what is also true is that if you don't want to stand next to a smoker, you don't have too. So again, there's no valid argument there. Not for closing down smoking on a college. I can agree to banning inside smoking, because that's just filthy and gets stuck in the walls. But smoking outside? Come on, complaining about that is like complaining about rain. And now I'm gonna go out for a cigarette. i agree, i wasnt trying to make a valid argument, i just mean that i dont care either way, it just whent off on a tangent.

[DubiousComforts]

And now you'll say "Yeah, but second hand smoking kills.", and yes this is true. But what is also true is that if you don't want to stand next to a smoker, you don't have too. How about cigarette butts? I see idiotic smokers toss them out of car windows all the time either because 1.) they don't want to stink up their own automobile or 2.) their arm is apparently broken in such a way that prevents tossing the used butts in the direction of said vehicle's ashtray. Either way, it's lazy and moronic behavior that needlessly litters the area for everyone simply because a bunch of tobacco junkies are unable keep their filthiness to themselves. Perhaps this college banned smoking on their grounds for this same reason? If so, good for them! Fine. How about if we ban ugly people, too? Seeing them causes me psychological trauma. I'm for that. Send me your mugshot and I'll get to work on it.

[EvilNed]

How about cigarette butts? I see idiotic smokers toss them out of car windows all the time either because 1.) they don't want to stink up their own automobile or 2.) their arm is apparently broken in such a way that prevents tossing the used butts in the direction of said vehicle's ashtray. Again, chewing gum. Want a law passed against them? There are laws against littering... And if there aren't, there sort off should be. But that has nothing to do with smoking. People throw away all sorts of crap.

[MaximusIncredulous]

How about cigarette butts? Either way, it's lazy and moronic behavior that needlessly litters the area for everyone simply because a bunch of tobacco junkies are unable keep their filthiness to themselves. Perhaps this college banned smoking on their grounds for this same reason? If so, good for them! They make portable ash trays for that. PM sent me a couple for free when I was smoking Parliaments.

[DubiousComforts]

Again, chewing gum. Want a law passed against them? Gum chewers don't smell like shite whilst standing in one's general vicinity. Regardless, even though there are no laws that specifically prohibit gum chewing, there are plenty of American schools that don't allow gum chewing, particularly grade schools. Banning the practice in a particular place is not the same as making it illegal. There are laws against littering... And if there aren't, there sort off should be. But that has nothing to do with smoking. People throw away all sorts of crap. "Everyone is doing it" is no excuse. The fact is the only people that litter by tossing cigarette butts into the street, out of car windows or wherever they feel like are smokers. It's impossible to throw away a cigarette butt if one doesn't smoke cigarettes to begin with. I win!

[EvilNed]

Gum chewers don't smell like shite whilst standing in one's general vicinity. Regardless, even though there are no laws that specifically prohibit gum chewing, there are plenty of American schools that don't allow gum chewing, particularly grade schools. Banning the practice in a particular place is not the same as making it illegal. Kids are kids. They can't be asked to take the same amount of "cleaning" responsibility as the rest of us. Most likely, they'd rather break the rules to be "cool". So I can see sense in that. "Everyone is doing it" is no excuse. The fact is the only people that litter by tossing cigarette butts into the street, out of car windows or wherever they feel like are smokers. It's impossible to throw away a cigarette butt if one doesn't smoke cigarettes to begin with. I win! It is also impossible to throw away trash in general, if one does not generate it. So should we also ban ice cream, chewing gum, chocolate etc. etc.?

[kortick]

Its all just another sign how people dont know how to handle a situation. No smoking indoors, fine. U have to accept that non smokers dont like the smell, although i dont think they are gonna drop dead from cancer if they get a whiff of it. Here they have glass enclosures that look like bus stops where u can smoke and they have ashtrays in them which use of is expected. People need to realise that the smoker isnt gonna quit smoking. They will just go around the rules. Im sure that smoking grass isnt allowed on campus, but i have a feeling its done anyway. And thats even illegal, smoking isnt. its all about finding a middle ground so everybody can then focus on classes and graduation. Hell i remember when I was little u could smoke in doctors offices, hospitals, movie theaters, and even in high school they had a smoking room for underage kids. I seem to remember being able to smoke in department stores too cuz they had those sand filled ashtrays. does any of the older crowd here remember these things or other places like that?

[EvilNed]

Yeah. I just came back from a trip to Bosnia, and it's still like that over there. It was the first time in my life that I entered my hotel room and saw an ashtray waiting for me. It just seemed wierd. Smoking is just allowed everywhere there, including the airport and shops and stuff like that.

[darth los]

Smoking is just allowed everywhere there, including the airport and shops and stuff like that. And somehow the world hasn't spun off it's axis and hurled itself into infinity. Go figure.....

[DubiousComforts]

People need to realise that the smoker isnt gonna quit smoking. Smokers need to realize that it's no longer urbane or debonair to be smoking cigarettes... unless they are Japanese. The Japanese have elevated cigarette smoking to a fine art form. And somehow the world hasn't spun off it's axis and hurled itself into infinity. Then move to Bosnia. I'm certain the educational system is awesome.

[MikePizzoff]

Here they have glass enclosures that look like bus stops where u can smoke and they have ashtrays in them which use of is expected. What city do you live in? I've never seen these and I've been everywhere in the US (except the West Coast... I presume that's where you're residing). Im sure that smoking grass isnt allowed on campus, but i have a feeling its done anyway. And thats even illegal, smoking isnt. Funny you should say that... I once witness 4 kids smoking a bowl directly out front of the library on campus, right in plain view of a security guard. its all about finding a middle ground so everybody can then focus on classes and graduation. That's what I'm trying to say, but some people are missing my point. I'm not saying we have a right and deserve to smoke in the face of non-smokers; I'm saying that we do, however, deserve a designated area for us, which non-smokers can easily avoid. You may ask: why do you deserve this? Because, we pay to go to school there, too, and tobacco is not an illegal substance. Hell i remember when I was little u could smoke in doctors offices, hospitals, movie theaters, and even in high school they had a smoking room for underage kids. I seem to remember being able to smoke in department stores too cuz they had those sand filled ashtrays. does any of the older crowd here remember these things or other places like that? I'm only 25 and I actually do have memories of the mall near me having ashtrays in it, with people smoking while walking between stores.

[Yojimbo]

thats completely different though, you can say "no thank you" to fatty foods, you cant when you leave a building and one of the smokers huddled under the roof of the doorway turns to you and blows a cloud of rank smog in your face. I understand your objection, hellsing and it's your right not to have to smell things that you don't want to smell. Along these lines, they ought to ban those fragrances -cheap perfume, extreme deodorant, minty breath strips- that annoy people. Maybe not everyone is annoyed by them, but a lot of folks are. A few years back when I was working some random corporate temp job I got into an elevator after having a smoke break outside and some woman started to berate me because I carried with me the aroma of tobacco smoke - not actual smoke, mind you, but the residual aroma by product of having enjoyed a cigarette outside- and this bitch was wearing smelly hair product and way too much counterfeit Obsession fragrance and some vanilla scented body lotion that I found particuarly rank. Of course, I pointed this out to her and her clever retort was that at least she wasn't going to give me cancer from her odors. I wish I coujld have projectile vomited on cue all over her self-righteous self, because at that moment that is what my impulse was. My only point is, I think folks are getting a little ridiculous in their zeal to demonize smokers. I know smoking is not good for me and pisses a lot of folks off, so I don't mind smoking outside. But to ban the practice outright after you have sent me outside like a bad dog so that I may wallow in my own crapulance- what is that but a bunch of nanny-like bullying? What city do you live in? I've never seen these and I've been everywhere in the US (except the West Coast... I presume that's where you're residing). Dude, no way. The west coast is the pack leader when it comes to fucking with smokers. I would be very surprised to hear that any municipal government here on the westside would ever spend even one dollar to cater to the smoker's needs. Smoking has been banned here in Los Angeles restaurants for at least 20 years now, and they have silly regulations like smokers need to stand at least 60 feet from the entrance to any building. Some municipalities here in southern california have banned smoking in public anywhere in their city limits. Smoking has been banned in the parks, on the beaches. You cannot even smoke in bars here! In fact, there are a number of apartment and condo complexes where you can get evicted for lighting up in your own unit. Again, chewing gum. Want a law passed against them? There are laws against littering... And if there aren't, there sort off should be. But that has nothing to do with smoking. People throw away all sorts of crap. I hear what Dubious is saying, and he is right that there are a lot of rude people out there and some of them are smokers. But your reference regarding chewing gum reminds me of Singapore where they did just that- banned the possession of chewing gum because they wanted to keep their streets clean. Of course, that is a society that administers caning as punishment for a number of crimes, so it does not surprise me. How about if we ban ugly people, too? Classic SRP!