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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    Personally, I've never really understood why hard-core pornography isn't covered by prostitution laws.
    Me neither, it's stupid. Although I fall on the side of the fence that says you should therefore legalise prostitution. How does having a camera rolling and selling the footage make it any better/ worse, other than the fact that it's getting taxed??

    Quote Originally Posted by slickwilly13 View Post
    Don't these assholes realize that people in that industry are required to be tested for stds on a regular basis.
    Yeah, but you're still more likely to catch something if you're having sex with tons of people (even if they have their certificates) than if you're not. Some infections might not show up on tests for a while and of course some don't have symptoms right away. It only takes one person to fuck up when it comes to the certs and introduce an infection into the "pool" for a lot of people to catch it in quick succession.

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    Interesting - over here it's completely the opposite; we consider circumcised penises to look gross and unnatural.
    Speak for yourself!

    Quote Originally Posted by krakenslayer View Post
    I fall somewhat on the anti-circumcision side of the fence, because, aside from anything else, it seems to have commonsense on its side: if, across the population as a whole, foreskins were a significant health danger for men and/or their sexual partners, then at some point in the last two or three million years we'd have evolved to not have them at at all.
    Mmm. As far as I can tell the only thing having your foreskin removed definitely helps stop you from getting is foreskin cancer!

    EDIT: I went so far off topic there that I forgot to actually say what I think about this "debate", which is, how can there even be a debate? Of course adult actors/ models should use condoms. 1. to protect themselves and 2. to protect the public. If people could bring the concepts of passionate sex and condoms together in their minds and automatically associate condoms with sex the world would be a happier place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinionZombie View Post
    All dicks look gross and unnatural ... how you ladies put up with them is beyond me.
    Speak for yourself. Mine is beautiful and healthy. The world should know of it. I must tell them.

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    I'm sorry, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. How can I be happy with my fantasy if people aren't in harm's way for HIV, gonorrhea or unwanted pregnancies.

    That's no fun.

    I say CGI to the rescue!



    Also, the idea of an uncircumcised penis freak me out.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Freak View Post
    EDIT: I went so far off topic there that I forgot to actually say what I think about this "debate", which is, how can there even be a debate? Of course adult actors/ models should use condoms. 1. to protect themselves and 2. to protect the public. If people could bring the concepts of passionate sex and condoms together in their minds and automatically associate condoms with sex the world would be a happier place.

    But what they are selling is a fantasy. No way would the average joe be able to sleep with that many hot women. This allows a man to look and masturbate over as many pieces of ass as he wants.

    And I'm sorry if a condom is not a part of that fantasy, because honestly, they suck. (Yes, yes i know, and so does having hiv.) But the get in the way and annoy me in real life and it doesn't change any in my fantasy.

    I'll bet dollars to donuts that it stops alot of men from cheating as well. Yeah, you might want to cheat on the missus but after i watch porn and rub one out all those thought go out the window.

    All i want is and sandwich and to roll over and go to sleep.

    So... potentially relationship ruining event averted !

    Now that's a public service. !!

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    It's a tribal/cultural kink, I guess - like that African tribe where women are considered ugly unless they stretch their necks to unnatural lengths by adding metal ring necklaces one at a time.

    You could argue that you can make your face look more streamlined and reduce the risk of gum disease by cutting off your lips. Doesn't mean we should neccessarily do it to babies.

    Like I said, I'm not strongly anti-circumcision, just pointing out that being uncircumcised is the natural, default state, not vice versa.

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    Well, of course it's all cultural. Personally, I love my mutilated genitals, but I could foresee a day where circumcision is seen by first worlders to be as barbaric as female genital mutilation.

    I gotta say though, the idea of having an uncut penis seems laborious, but that may just be because I'm American
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    Without being too gross and overly detailed about the whole thing, the foreskin only covers the glans when the penis is flaccid or semi-flaccid; it rolls back and sort of integrates with the shaft skin when the penis is fully erect, so it doesn't get in the way and isn't laborious at all.

    Okay, that WAS kind of gross and overly detailed, but hey ho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesandEights View Post
    Well, of course it's all cultural. Personally, I love my mutilated genitals, but I could foresee a day where circumcision is seen by first worlders to be as barbaric as female genital mutilation.
    There's a great many of us that already do consider it barbaric. The whole practice of cutting off the foreskin through circumcision is just archaic (IMO) in INDUSTRIALIZED society. It's another matter if you're living in a third world country. But, there's just no point in developed societies. It's like putting a tattoo of a bird on your arm. Your dad did it, his dad did it, and such and so forth... but ultimately one day you ask the question: "Hey, why do all the men in our family tattoo a bird on our arm?" to which the response is: "Eh, we've just always done that."

    Circumcision is a type of genitalia mutilation, it just disturbs me (just like female clitoral mutilation). But, the reasoning behind it is much more theologically/culturally driven than it is for any potential health benefits. It's a generational theological/cultural carry-over just like not eating pork or not eating meat on Friday's (except fish or if you have a special dispensation) during the Lenten season.

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    Ok, this thread, really hard to masturbate to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooley View Post
    Ok, this thread, really hard to masturbate to.


    Gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesandEights View Post
    Personally, I love my mutilated genitals, but I could foresee a day where circumcision is seen by first worlders to be as barbaric as female genital mutilation.
    FGM is worse because it actually causes infections, ongoing chronic pain, ongoing difficulties in going to the toilet and menstruating and prevents the person who has been mutilated from having sex. Male circumcision does none of these things.

    I personally would not have my son circumcised, if I had one, because there is no medical need for it. He could always get it done after the age of 18 as a cosmetic surgery, if he wanted to.

    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    But what they are selling is a fantasy...
    I know that. But the fantasy has to be created in the real, concrete world, and as such health and safety needs to be observed, the same as in any other workplace.

    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    And I'm sorry if a condom is not a part of that fantasy, because honestly, they suck. (Yes, yes i know, and so does having hiv.) But the get in the way and annoy me in real life and it doesn't change any in my fantasy.
    No-one is saying that you shouldn't fantasise about not using condoms. I'm saying that the actors and models in hard adult movies/ photos are medically at risk if they don't use them. It's a sad fact of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by darth los View Post
    I'll bet dollars to donuts that it stops alot of men from cheating as well.
    Interesting, but I doubt it. It probably only influences the positions etc that they cheat in
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    Quote Originally Posted by krakenslayer View Post
    the foreskin only covers the glans when the penis is flaccid or semi-flaccid; it rolls back and sort of integrates with the shaft skin when the penis is fully erect, so it doesn't get in the way and isn't laborious at all.
    Kind of like a convertible sports car, then. Gotcha.

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    I had no idea that "foreskins get in the way of sex" was a kind of urban myth in the US (as you guys probably know, most people in the UK and Europe aren't circumcised). They don't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Freak View Post
    He could always get it done after the age of 18 as a cosmetic surgery, if he wanted to.
    And THAT is what really freaks me out about circumcisions. It doesn't matter to me which way it goes, but to have it done later in life is just...wrong. I know a lot of people do it, but damn that seems cruel. At least have it done when they're a baby so they won't remember it, for fucks sake. I once new a guy that had it done in his late teens. I don't see how he did it...

    But a bit more back on topic - You know what's really funny about condoms in porn? When they use the condom and then try to quickly remove it for a "shot". Anybody else seen one of those? The look of sheer panic as the dude quickly pulls and claws at the condom is hilarious....
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    While not fussed either way about whether I see a johnnie on a chap's winky in a porno, I can see how having more condoms in porn might have a beneficial effect. HOWEVER - I also get immediately cautious, because you're in similar territory to the whole nonsense about smoking in movies - how some freaks want a flick like Casablanca to be rated 18 because there's smoking in it.

    I'd think that real-life situations would have more influence over whether anyone smokes or doesn't smoke, e.g. isn't it the case that those from smoking households are more likely to smoke themselves?

    Likewise, regardless of what happens in porn, I'd hope that real-life situations would educate people about proper condom use/contraception. Porn is porn ... it's grossly fictional in its approach to sex, it's all an act, a set-up, by-and-large (no pun intended ) ... for example, porn performers are almost entirely unlike the average person bumping uglies. There was an interesting documentary on the BBC a while back about Teens Hooked on Porn (or something lurid like that), and it had a bunch of teenagers around GCSE age consuming porn and how it affected their perception of sex in real life.

    That's where the danger of porn comes in - because there's not enough (or any) education to counter the message of porn. A violent movie is fine, because you're brought up to know the difference between right and wrong, and killing is bad etc (generally speaking) ... whereas there isn't the education about porn and the perception of sex that it puts out there.

    I never had internet porn when I was in high school, about the most we got was Max Power magazine (a mally boy car magazine ) and the 10 minute freeview on Television X ... it's a different ball game now. By the time I was able to access internet porn my perception of sex was much more developed than those who are accessing it - without being educated about it as a media force - at the age of 13, say.

    I'm NOT saying, however, that porn is evil and should be banned. Far from it, I'm a pro-porn dude, but I do think that it is necessary for kids to be educated about pornography ... indeed a couple of years ago I shot & edited a series of educational films on the topic of "Sex & Ethics", and these issues (as well as many others) were investigated. However it's aimed at Sixth Form students ... I do think that from Year 7 or 8 there must be proper sexual education.

    Not just the mechanics of how a baby gets made, but two very important things:

    1) Contraception and proper contraceptive use.
    2) Understanding pornography in context.

    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassman View Post
    And THAT is what really freaks me out about circumcisions. It doesn't matter to me which way it goes, but to have it done later in life is just...wrong. I know a lot of people do it, but damn that seems cruel. At least have it done when they're a baby so they won't remember it, for fucks sake. I once new a guy that had it done in his late teens. I don't see how he did it...

    But a bit more back on topic - You know what's really funny about condoms in porn? When they use the condom and then try to quickly remove it for a "shot". Anybody else seen one of those? The look of sheer panic as the dude quickly pulls and claws at the condom is hilarious....
    lol ... yeah I have noticed that ... also once I saw the contents being drained out of one for a different kind of facial.

    As for circumcision - it's not so clear-cut ... ... *ahem* ... ... as if done incorrectly, it can lead to a whole manner of problems. If too much is cut off, it can lead to agonising pain when the penis is erect - I remember seeing something about that on telly a few years ago.

    Scared me, alright ... and as Bassman says, having your Todd Johnson scissored at the end when you're fully aware of what's going on? GOOD GOD, NO!

    I once briefly considered it, but then I saw that aforementioned TV show, and thought "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that!"

    You see, that's another thing, a lot of porn is circumcised porn ... although amateur porn can be anything ... indeed, thinking about it, surely amateur porn is, in a weird way, better for teenagers to consume (instead of professional porn), as the people in amateur porn are usually normal people of all shapes, sizes, looks, and indeed cut or uncut downstairs.

    I think female circumcision does 'pip' male circumcision at the post easily though, as wasn't that practice kind of a 'male dominance' thing? Power over women and all that ... plus the complications ... although as I said, male circumcision can, if done incorrectly, lead to agony and all sorts of trouble. Indeed, apparently an uncut knob has more sensitivity - because of the foreskin movement, or something like that ... I think I saw that on Channel 5.

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