tools of the trade

[Shadowofthedead]

i still like the idea of .357 mag/ .38 spl package deal but i wont argue with .22 lr except that i wouldnt feel confident going up against someone with say a full auto ak. i would run for the hills. im not the type of person to do so thats why i would pack for anything. i still would carry lots of melee weapons i like the idea of hacking a head off better than blowing it to hell. let the next hippie wearing sandals get bit... ha jk.

[Crappingbear]

Rust would only be a problem if one failed to keep the weapon clean. And then only rust inside the barrel and on certain moving parts would cause problems. A firearm won't last forever. It'll eventually wear out, but, by keeping it clean it should last for years and 10s of thousands of rounds fired. Any type of oil can be used to lubricate the weapon, as long as it is used sparingly and often. A single bottle of motor oil would last for years. -stray- Bluing rusting off the outside means nothing as you point out. Its the internal action parts that need to be cleaned and lubed as well as the barrel swabbed out. A good substitute for solvents/oils (which I think you could find in probably every other home garage) is to simply get gasoline and engine oil from any of the bajillion abandoned cars you will walk by daily in a dead world. Gas certainly works as a solvent and while the engine oil would be dirty to an extent, it is still a lubricant. Also as you point out, a little oil goes a long way. Most people use far too much oil not realizing oil attracts dirt and too much oil = gumming up the works. Food oils could be used but would be a second choice over petroleum oil in my op. If nothing else, grab a can of spary Pam cooking spray when scavaging the kitchen pantries. Semi autos require more and regular cleaning than bolt actions and single shots to run properly. Lever actions also shoot dirty pretty well. The advantage of semi's is fast followup fire power and often large cap magazines. The disadvantage is more moving parts to break or gum up. For close in work I'd definitely prefer a semi auto. My own choice for close in work would be a quality semi auto .22 pistol with a pocket full of xtra mags. The Browning Buckmark, any of the myriad Rugers or S & W semis are good choices. The Ruger Mark III with bull barrel would be a great choice for close in work with great accuracy and reliability. I'd rather have that than a rifle for going around doors and corners. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...10112&return=Y

[MapMan]

Sig Sauer P226 Primary Handgun Sig Sauer P220 Compact back up Mossberg 930 SPX .12 gauge with pistol grip H&K 416 5.56 carbine

[Crappingbear]

Lest we get into "gun porn" is anyone that spooked that they wouldn't be find with a big stick to fend off the slow-lies? The dead aren't the bigges threat, its the other survivors sucking off of you.

[Yojimbo]

Lest we get into "gun porn" is anyone that spooked that they wouldn't be find with a big stick to fend off the slow-lies? The dead aren't the bigges threat, its the other survivors sucking off of you. Mmmmm...gun porn....mmmm....hollowpoint .22 LR rimfire...oh yeah, that's it! You're a bad 12 gauge...oh yeah!

[SRP76]

Lest we get into "gun porn" is anyone that spooked that they wouldn't be find with a big stick to fend off the slow-lies? The dead aren't the bigges threat, its the other survivors sucking off of you. In the end, it comes down to "whatever I can grab without becoming lunch". That's the reality; the gun porn is a fantasy. People would pick up a slotted spoon and start smacking zombies with it if they were under attack.

[Yojimbo]

In the end, it comes down to "whatever I can grab without becoming lunch". That's the reality; the gun porn is a fantasy. People would pick up a slotted spoon and start smacking zombies with it if they were under attack. SRP is totally correct.

[Craig]

Mmmmm...gun porn....mmmm....hollowpoint .22 LR rimfire...oh yeah, that's it! You're a bad 12 gauge...oh yeah! Ungh, please, stop before I... blow my load.

[Yojimbo]

Ungh, please, stop before I... blow my load.

[lullubelle]

Thanks Lulu. BTW: Excellent choice with the Armalite AR-10 A4 .308 Winchester (I think that's the one you are referring to.) In the event of the dead coming back and walking around you are more than welcome to come and hang with me and my wife! Right winchester, man knows his weapons, tell the little woman to put 3 extra plates on the table, I am coming with the kids.

[capncnut]

Fork. Those things can get through a decent steak, ya know. Failing that, a shovel maybe. Half of the steaks I buy from the local butcher require that combo.

[Crappingbear]

Mainly it comes down to what are you good at. Defense, offense? Are you a skiillied gun fighter, knife fighter, closed combat fist fighter? Or a clueless idiot who thinks that they will magically become Bruce Lee in an apocalyptic situation? If you have never hunted trapped or fished then don't expect to become self sufficient in a dead world. If you have never shot a gun, you damn well won't be Wild Bill Hickock. In a dead word, the manually experienced will become invaluable and the smarty pants doofs will be catfish bait.

[FoodFight]

Ain't that the truth. An x-box pistolero would be in for a real eye-opener when the stakes are for real. Developing necessary skills and preparation must be done before events force your hand. I've kicked myself many times for having squandered time that would have been better spent prepping and studying a subject that would benefit in a tough situation.

[Crappingbear]

Ain't that the truth. An x-box pistolero would be in for a real eye-opener when the stakes are for real. Developing necessary skills and preparation must be done before events force your hand. I've kicked myself many times for having squandered time that would have been better spent prepping and studying a subject that would benefit in a tough situation. One of my fav quotes is by George Eliot, "Its never too late to be what you might have been." As far as survival stuff, my own zen master is David Alloway who was the king of desert survival based out in West Texas. Sadly, he is dead. Learn shelter building, fire starting, basic fishing, hunting, trapping and you are fine. In a dead world, a boy scout is more valuable than a millionaire.

[Yojimbo]

In a dead world, a boy scout is more valuable than a millionaire. Wise words. A great resource, BTW, for wildnerness survival tips is the Boy Scout Handbook. That training has saved many lives.