Just when you think people can't get any sicker...

[capncnut]

Regardless of legality, however, it is my opinion- just my opinion mind you - that watching things like this (ie. a real murder) takes a serious toll on your psyche and soul. For me, I prefer not to view this, but at the same time I make no judgement on those of you who seek it out for curiosity sake. Yes, thank you Jimbo. I guess it could be damaging to certain individuals of a nervous disposition but I do not find any kind of recorded death offensive (nor do I find it pleasurable). I am at one with mortality and have watched a number of these movies just for curiosity's sake. I have always been interested in the endurance of human survivability and kinda dont like being compared to a paedophile (as presented in Krakenslayer's comment). As far as I'm concerned, one is about morbid curiosity and one is about sexual perversion.

[Mike70]

i choose not to watch things like this for a couple of reasons. the first is empathy for the person suffering through something like this. second, it simply fills me with horror that one human could treat another in such fashion and fail to understand that human life has dignity and worth, no matter who the other person is. i am comfortable with my mortality. i know that my days are numbered and that due to illness or injury, one day, sooner than i would wish, will be my last. watching the horrible, painful and senseless murders of others does nothing, in my opinion, to either help me understand or come to terms with my own mortality. the process of life itself, the watching of family age and pass on, the loss of friends through illness or accidents, and the birth of children (my own and those of friends and family) has taught me everything i feel i need to know about mortality.

[slickwilly13]

I watched it earlier, but chose not to comment about it. Because it struck a nerve with me. They are some evil pussified motherfuckers who preyed on those could not stand a fighting chance against them. Check the list of their victims. They do not deserve to live. And I do not care who their daddies are and who they know. Since they were not camera shy the police have what they need to convict them. Hopefully, these 3 and anyone else involved will be locked up for the rest of their miserable lives. And become prison prostitutes against their will.

[MoonSylver]

YThe fact that death videos are available in Google searches disproves that, as child pornography is most certainly not allowed via such engines. Plus I would hardly call a person's morbid curiosity into watching a death video comparable to the rape of a child. Watching one human being inflict needless cruelty & suffering on another is wrong. The rest is just semantics. Awful, awful stuff. Makes you realize that the boogeyman and monsters are not necessarily the stuff of imagination. The freaks who committed these acts are sick and beyond hope. If it was my choice they would be put to death for the sake of society. You all know that I am a fan of horror films, and can laugh along with all of you at the goriest splatter scenes. That being said, these videos depict a real situation where someone lost their lives. I hope that folks here will be able to resist their curiosity towards the morbid and refrain from watching these videos. As a funeral director, please believe me when I say that there are certain images that once you see you will never be able to forget, even if you try. You may regret having seen these images, but at that point it will be too late. Understand that I am not condemming or judging those of you that have seen this video or are planning to seek it out. I am merely suggesting that if you do intend to watch these videos that you do so with the knowledge that you might regret being privy to the recorded images of the last few minutes of someone's life spent in terror and agony. Well said Yojimbo. It's weird, as big a fan of horror movies as I am, I can't stand to even HEAR stories like this. Not because I'm squeamish, but they sicken, sadden, disgust, & fill me with rage all at the same time. I usually regret clicking on the links for these type of stories. I avoid the news like the plague. I can't stand it. It's too much. When I hear about stuff like this I question everything. My beliefs, if there's a god or not, why does evil exist in the world, why must bad things happen to good people, etc. After a while I calm down & the answers usually come to me, but at the time I can't even comprehend it. When stuff like this happens, I just hate the whole human goddamn race. Is any species that is capable of producing 3 monsters like these sick fucks out of it's gene pool really worth keeping around? Ladies & gentlemen, if anyone doubts evil exists, with a capitol "E" I present exhibit "A". And anyone that wants to play one of those philosophical games of evil being relative to morality can go to hell. You can't tell me that one human being inflicting sickness & depravity on another for enjoyment or profit is anything else but. i choose not to watch things like this for a couple of reasons. the first is empathy for the person suffering through something like this. second, it simply fills me with horror that one human could treat another in such fashion and fail to understand that human life has dignity and worth, no matter who the other person is. i am comfortable with my mortality. i know that my days are numbered and that due to illness or injury, one day, sooner than i would wish, will be my last. watching the horrible, painful and senseless murders of others does nothing, in my opinion, to either help me understand or come to terms with my own mortality. the process of life itself, the watching of family age and pass on, the loss of friends through illness or accidents, and the birth of children (my own and those of friends and family) has taught me everything i feel i need to know about mortality. Well said. Better than I could have put it myself. I get too emotional when I read stuff like this. I have a vivid imagination. I can picture the poor souls suffering, terror & agony. Imagine, the poor guy was on his way to visit his GRANDCHILDREN when these sick bastards did this. Can you imagine if your grandpa was on his way to visit you & someone did that to him? I'm not a christian. But I pray to my own gods that there IS some kind of hell to punish the wicked. There has to be. I've gotta hope there is or I can't imagine living in a universe that unjust. That's why I'm such a fan of old testament style justice. I would have no problem seeing these bastards killed the same way they killed this poor guy. Only seems fair to me.

[kortick]

It took the internet to get people to believe that snuff films are real. I saw my first one in the late 80s. I had a friend who got all kinds of films. It was made in Nicuaragua or somewhere in latin america. It was different from the one being discussed here in the fact that it was obviously made for commercial purposes. This person had a whole camera set up with lights and lots of various pain inflicting props I doubt the young lady in the film appreciated all the attention to product quality. I wont bother telling what her one and only role was like. Or of the Human who co starred with her. I always used to laugh at people who used to say to me there are no such things as snuff films. not only are they made like this, but there is a market for them. one that is being fed product on regular basis and has been for a long time.

[Neil]

For those that have seen it: Is the victim still conscious (at least at the start)? Well he is in the second half as the poor guy starts flapping his arms and the kids are literally like "WTF, he's still alive?" although he is unconscious (presumably from drink) at the start. If I recall from the wiki article the guy was on his way to see his grand kids, so I suspect he just stopped in the wrong place and got hit with a hammer... And then the video started...?

[krakenslayer]

Plus I would hardly call a person's morbid curiosity into watching a death video comparable to the rape of a child. Really? I personally don't find any ethical difference at all. In fact, if you want to get technical, I think watching a rape is slightly less immoral than watching a murder - as it would seem that severity of crime is the only dividing factor. There is another important technicality here, too: this is not just a documentary clip of a car accident, or a news report from a war zone, or a bystander-with-a-camera's footage of an execution; all the evidence says that this video was filmed by the killers, and that the murder was carried out (at least partly) for the purpose of making this video, which was to be distributed online to bring the killers fame and notoriety. By watching this, you are closing the circle. I refuse to be the voyeur to their exhibitionist crime.

[capncnut]

If I recall from the wiki article the guy was on his way to see his grand kids, so I suspect he just stopped in the wrong place and got hit with a hammer... And then the video started...? Ah, now I wasn't aware of that. The way the man was positioned on the ground at the beginning of the video led me to believe he was a drunk of some sort.

[Neil]

Ah, now I wasn't aware of that. The way the man was positioned on the ground at the beginning of the video led me to believe he was a drunk of some sort. Nah... I suspect he's be bashed with something and then dragged there, ready for their fun and games... Articles seemed to imply they would just clobber someone with a hammer out of the blue as a first attack typically...?

[Chic Freak]

I refuse to be the voyeur to their exhibitionist crime. I second that.

[slickwilly13]

I mentioned earlier that they only prey on the weak. And the attacks were pretty much sucker punches, but with a blunt object, instead of a punch. They would not dare attack someone face to face with the stature of someone like DJ on here or Ace. Too difficult and risky for cowards.

[Arcades057]

One good thing about all this: Since the crimes took place in Russia, there is no such thing as the ACLU there, or any sort of protection for the criminals not given by the guards. These three (imagine a really beautiful string of obscenities here) were likely brutalized by the Russian cops, at length, and in a variety of interesting ways. Not to mention what will happen to them once they actually get into the prison population. Someone will be having a verrrrrrry bad day, or collection of days, soon. Now were this is America or England, the kids would be doing soft time while society got the blame. Thank God it's in Russia where they might actually suffer.

[capncnut]

Hopefully, these 3 and anyone else involved will be locked up for the rest of their miserable lives. And become prison prostitutes against their will. Actually was just reading about another Ukrainian nutter called Sergey Tkach, who raped and murdered 80 women over a 20 year period. Sentenced to life in December 2007, he will be eligible for parole in 2032.

[Tricky]

I dont want to see those videos,its completely sick & i hope the people who did it suffer in the same way as those they preyed on Years ago someone showed me on their phone the video mentioned earlier in the thread with the guy having his head cut off & that turned my stomach & i felt dirty for a long time after,i used to have a peek on rotten.com years ago too out of morbid curiousity but i cant stomach anything like that now im a bit older.I dont like seeing people or animals suffer (although i dont care if the people who did this die in total agony) & i cant stand the fucked up kind of bastards who commit such crimes,or those who actively seek out such videos because they see it as "entertainment"

[krakenslayer]

One good thing about all this: Since the crimes took place in Russia, there is no such thing as the ACLU there, or any sort of protection for the criminals not given by the guards. These three (imagine a really beautiful string of obscenities here) were likely brutalized by the Russian cops, at length, and in a variety of interesting ways. Not to mention what will happen to them once they actually get into the prison population. Someone will be having a verrrrrrry bad day, or collection of days, soon. Now were this is America or England, the kids would be doing soft time while society got the blame. Thank God it's in Russia where they might actually suffer. While I share your anger and hatred for these kids, I think it's a bit dangerous to support state-condoned brutality. In an ethical sense then yeah, if one of the victim's relatives wanted to take revenge on the bastards for their horrific crimes, and run the risks associated with that, I would totally support them. But I don't think - given the vast power of the state - it is acceptable for a judicial system to "take revenge". Imagine you were wrongly accused of a crime (happens all the time, especially in places like Eastern Europe) and suddenly you found yourself thrown into a room full of thugs? I believe in revenge, but I think it should be one-on-one. Sure, the killers didn't give the victims a fair shot at survival, but the good guys have to maintain a sense of dignity. What they SHOULD do, if any of the relatives wish, is put the killers and in a room with those who wish to take revenge in a kind of handicapped duel scenario, where the killer has a fighting chance of escaping alive but also giving the victims a chance to take revenge. Honestly, I think we should bring back duels. I have always been interested in the endurance of human survivability and kinda dont like being compared to a paedophile (as presented in Krakenslayer's comment). As far as I'm concerned, one is about morbid curiosity and one is about sexual perversion. I didn't compare you to a paedophile. I said that watching a snuff film is morally no better (and possibly even worse) than watching child pornography. I didn't mention anything about your motive for watching it - not everyone who watches child pornography is necessarily a paedophile, just as not everybody who watches a murder is a necessarily murderous psychopath, but that doesn't make it okay to watch either of them.