Student tazered 5 times for not leaving the library, with video!

[Terran]

and I said something like “I just want your badge numbers” and he told me again to back up right now and that if I didn’t move back I would be tased too. I didn’t move and looked at him directly, at which point he raised his taser gun and pointed it at me (I saw the red light glow right in the center of it) and said “try me”. Man she would have been so cool if she had replied to "try me"....with ...."I dare you"....or ...."Then shoot! Id like to be this lawsuit too!"...or ..."You want to make the news that badly huh?"... I dunno that would have been way cooler....and if he actually tazed her, damn, the students would start going berserk....

[coma]

I think the misconception here is that the fuzz used their Tazer in the stun mode, which would mean that he was down and helpless after they zapped him. From what I've read in the various articles they had the device set to "drive" which administers a painful jolt, but doesn't incapacitate. A good shot to the butt should have send him running home to mommy (and really, he needed his mommy there to dry his widdle tears). Maybe in the future Mr. Alphabet (whatever his name is) will respect the authority he voluntarily placed himself under (the school and its rules and officials) and behave himself. The fuzzies can learn from this too. If they're going to be labeled Fascists and called other nasty swears, skip the Tazer and go straight to the nightsticks. ps -- as a side note: I think I'll get me one of those Tazers to keep my kids in line when they get mouthy. Either that or fit them with those electric dog training collars. :-D -s- Very Impressive. I will continue to label them accurately as fascist brownshirts and they can shove their batons up their own asses. He placed himself ina school to learn, not to be subjected to heavy handed "authority". You have no choice and do not agree to a "social contract" with Police. Strange how you think abusing you own children is supposed to be funny to anyone but you. Tazers have killed numerous people. So it is NOT "safe".

[Terran]

that nitwit should have had the crap kicked out of him... i guess college doesn't teach kids to use their brains... cocky little prick... Iguess you didnt read anything I said earlier in the thread *yawn*

[MikePizzoff]

i daresay if he was a white girl they wouldnt have been so heavy handed - and if you agree with that then it renders any argument in their favour redundant. Took the words out of my mouth, brother. I was saying the same thing to my co-workers yesterday.

[Purge]

no i didn't, i pretty much just skip your posts Let me guess--you're a Bush supporter, right? Most civil liberty-haters are.

[Terran]

no i didn't, i pretty much just skip your posts Oh ok...I was just trying to ascertain wether you were purposely trying to act like like a complete nut or not... Fair enough

[HLS]

That was way too extreme. i mean if your tazored you will be weak in the knees I suspect and will need to recooperate a moment to walk out. Plus i think the reason he did not get up when he said he was leaving was from the first tazer, I mean if your in a state of shock it is going to take you a while. They should set up the computer to need to input your id in the system to get you online. The libraries here you need to put in the numbers off your card into a field to get into a pc. if they had something like that in place maybe they will not need police. I never heard of police checking a library. it is retarded. I mean, he did not commit a crime all the kid did was to forget his student id. Tazing was way too extreme.

[Khardis]

He got what he deserved. If they werent strict with this security crap people would be crying foul that the school isnt secure enough and would start crying about the Univeristy of Texas and the observation Tower. Or Columbine or any myriad other school massacres. This moron thought he would make a political stand (HERES YOUR PATRIOT ACT!!). Had he just shown his student ID or left when they asked him to, he wouldnt have gotten this. Had he just shut the hell up and got up and let them escort him out after the 1st tazering he wouldnt have gotten more. No, instead he dropped to the floor and started making a political tirade and the cops started tazering him more. I think the cops could have handled this MUCH better, any cop would tell you, its better to hit someone hard 1 time than to hit them soft 5 times. Meaning, if the cops came in, tossed this punk on the floor and hogtied him and carried him out then this wouldnt be an issue. But theyre so worried about using "force" that they rely too much on thier "soft" force thier tazers. And thats exactly what a tazer is, soft force. That was way too extreme. i mean if your tazored you will be weak in the knees I suspect and will need to recooperate a moment to walk out. Plus i think the reason he did not get up when he said he was leaving was from the first tazer, I mean if your in a state of shock it is going to take you a while. They should set up the computer to need to input your id in the system to get you online. The libraries here you need to put in the numbers off your card into a field to get into a pc. if they had something like that in place maybe they will not need police. I never heard of police checking a library. it is retarded. I mean, he did not commit a crime all the kid did was to forget his student id. Tazing was way too extreme. Every cop is tazered before they are issued a tazer gun for use in the field. Once you let your finger off the taze trigger and the electric current stops your body goes back to normal. You will be in the midst of an adrenelene rush maybe, but you are well able to walk. This guy was trying to be obstinate on purpose and got what he required. The kid's words--in between screams, of course--speak volumes. Typical Patriot Act-esque bullsh*t. 2008 can't come soon enough. Yeah, and what he was saying was the reason why he "couldnt" get up. He refused to because he was making some kind of demented stand. Not because he couldnt. I guess he showed them, how DARE they try to secure the school library after hours! Let me guess--you're a Bush supporter, right? Most civil liberty-haters are. An absurd comment. i daresay if he was a white girl they wouldnt have been so heavy handed - and if you agree with that then it renders any argument in their favour redundant. Why would they have to be as tough with any girl? People dont put rape phones up on college campuses because theyre afraid women are on the prowl to rape men.

[strayrider]

Very Impressive. I will continue to label them accurately as fascist brownshirts and they can shove their batons up their own asses. Until you really, really need them for something. He placed himself ina school to learn, not to be subjected to heavy handed "authority". You have no choice and do not agree to a "social contract" with Police. He HAD a choice. All he had to do was leave, at once, when he was asked to. The Fascist Brownshirts would have never been called. Make sense? Strange how you think abusing you own children is supposed to be funny to anyone but you. That's not abuse, son, that's discipline. And if you took that comment as anything but "tongue-in-cheek" you definately need to mellow out before you blow a head gasket. OOOO tough guy there. I would like to see you take 5 FIVE shots from the tazer and then just stand there like mr tough guy. You would be crying your "widdle" tears too! It reall easy to make that proclamation over a message board. No, I'd probably start yelling: "Gosh darn, mutherfroggin' sumBEEotch! That hurt!" FIVE times in rapid succession. However, I'm neither arrogant enough, or stupid enough, to place myself in that situation to begin with -- unlike our Mr. Abbadabba XYZ. In fact, the one time I was confronted by the Fascists (in the parking lot of a convience store, they mistook my liscense plate number for that of a wanted felon, female Fascist no less, go figure) I cooperated with them until they figured out their mistake. I mean, what kind of idiot starts screaming stupidity at five people wearing identical uniforms who are armed and doing what they're paid to do? In my case, I knew there was a mistake, so I stayed frosty until the problem was solved. In Dumbo's case -- well, it made for a good laugh. -stray- ps -- http://patterico.com/index.php?s=yagman&submit=Search A little more on Alph and his attorney.

[Maitreya]

Ok Khardis.... There's no way to put this to you that you'll ever change your mind, because quite frankly you seem to be QUITE hardheaded and ignorant of the ACTUAL STORY and other people's points This moron thought he would make a political stand (HERES YOUR PATRIOT ACT!!). Had he just shown his student ID or left when they asked him to, he wouldnt have gotten this. Had he just shut the hell up and got up and let them escort him out after the 1st tazering he wouldnt have gotten more. No, instead he dropped to the floor and started making a political tirade and the cops started tazering him more. Ok... He was leaving when they asked him to, you realize this? He was leaving OF HIS OWN ****ING ACCORD and one of the high-and-mighty rent-a-cops decided to touch him. It's a fact that some people don't like being touched when they're complying. Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin. One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, which the student objected to. As a second officer approached, he repeatedly yelled "get off of me," the newspaper reported. It was then that one of the officers shot Tabatabainejad with a taser gun, dropping him to the floor as he cried out, according to the newspaper. That's from this link by the way: http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html I think the cops could have handled this MUCH better I can't lie to you Khardis... That's probably the first intelligent thing I've seen you say any cop would tell you, its better to hit someone hard 1 time than to hit them soft 5 times. Meaning, if the cops came in, tossed this punk on the floor and hogtied him and carried him out then this wouldnt be an issue. But theyre so worried about using "force" that they rely too much on thier "soft" force thier tazers. And thats exactly what a tazer is, soft force. No. It's better to let him get up and leave of his own accord like he was doing. They ****ed themselves over by deciding to be idiots with their power. Oh, I also notice that you failed to address the other students asking the cops for their badge numbers and threatening to be tazed, hmm? What, can you not think of some brilliant conservative spin to somehow call the students wrong for doing something completely legal? I guess you'd better pop on the O'Reilley Factor and get to learning! And I'm not going to bother responding to any of your retorts, because it's going to be the same Reich-wing spin bull**** I've been seeing from you all day long.

[strayrider]

Maitreya, not meaning to butt in between you and Khardis, but lets take a closer look at the story and how it has changed over the past couple of days. Ok Khardis.... There's no way to put this to you that you'll ever change your mind, because quite frankly you seem to be QUITE hardheaded and ignorant of the ACTUAL STORY and other people's points Ok... He was leaving when they asked him to, you realize this? He was leaving OF HIS OWN ****ING ACCORD and one of the high-and-mighty rent-a-cops decided to touch him. It's a fact that some people don't like being touched when they're complying. Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin. One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, which the student objected to. As a second officer approached, he repeatedly yelled "get off of me," the newspaper reported. It was then that one of the officers shot Tabatabainejad with a taser gun, dropping him to the floor as he cried out, according to the newspaper. That's from this link by the way: http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html The story has changed. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...nes-california "The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling." So, Alphabet, of his own free will, sat down on the floor to protest an officer touching him. He was not tazered and fell to the floor as many assume. The officers used the tazer in "stun drive" mode to get him moving again, which he refused to do. BTW: if this fellow did not want to be touched by campus police, he had ample time to leave before they arrived. Touching a suspect is SOP for any law enforcement agency, if he didn't like it ... tough kaka. On further review my personal opinion on the subject has changed. The UCLA campus police did mishandle this situation. I had a chance to speak to a friend of mine's brother who is a police officer. What the officers should have done at the moment he sat down was to yank him back to his feet, cuff him, and march (or drag) his snotty, nasty little arse out of the building. Quick, simple and to the point. Now, CAIR, the Islamic, pro-terrorist, "civil rights" organization has gotten involved. CAIR anti-CAIR What a cluster fuak. -stray-

[_liam_]

Why would they have to be as tough with any girl? People dont put rape phones up on college campuses because theyre afraid women are on the prowl to rape men. er, so youre saying i have no point there, because any woman would be too weak to do anything but fall to her knees and defer to the will of pseudo-law enforcement?

[Khardis]

er, so youre saying i have no point there, because any woman would be too weak to do anything but fall to her knees and defer to the will of pseudo-law enforcement? No, I am saying you have no point because 1. women tend not to make scenes like this. 2. women are weaker physically and as such can on averaged be subdued more easily. 3. on average women are smaller than men and a woman could have easily been scooped up and carried out by 2 cops. Your statement was absurd to begin with. More sillyness. Yes this had everything to do with the guys race/sex and NOTHING to do with him not showing his ID after 11, even after dozens of school massacres have taught us to be more careful. Yeah thats what it was.. a race thing. get real.

[dmbfanintn]

I love how all of you 20 something year olds around here are suddenyl the resident experts on stun guns or tazers. All of you keep popping off on how the tazer was set to stun drive mode. Uh, OK, and??? Have any of you ever been hit with a tazer set to drive? The only difference is that on drive mode, it generates the electricity from two electrodes on the end of the device, you have to make contact with the person and pull the trigger, Regular mode shoots two electrodes connected to wires out of the stun gun and you can hit the person from a distance. I have been popped with a tazer in drive mode, it isn't pleasant. On top of that, you CAN NOT stand up immediately after getting hit with one. In addition, I called one of my Sherrif's Deputy buddys the other night and he told me that the SOP of stun guns is that you would use on only to the extent to get the suspect under control and ensure he is not a danger to anyone. I showed him the video and he was just sick! He said he or his fellow officers would have been suspended immediately and would probably have been dismissed.

[Khardis]

I love how all of you 20 something year olds around here are suddenyl the resident experts on stun guns or tazers. All of you keep popping off on how the tazer was set to stun drive mode. Uh, OK, and??? Have any of you ever been hit with a tazer set to drive? The only difference is that on drive mode, it generates the electricity from two electrodes on the end of the device, you have to make contact with the person and pull the trigger, Regular mode shoots two electrodes connected to wires out of the stun gun and you can hit the person from a distance. I have been popped with a tazer in drive mode, it isn't pleasant. On top of that, you CAN NOT stand up immediately after getting hit with one. In addition, I called one of my Sherrif's Deputy buddys the other night and he told me that the SOP of stun guns is that you would use on only to the extent to get the suspect under control and ensure he is not a danger to anyone. I showed him the video and he was just sick! He said he or his fellow officers would have been suspended immediately and would probably have been dismissed. I own several tazers and numerous guns. I dont think I am an expert, but I have been tazed before by a friend when we were screwing around and seeing who could take it longest. It wasnt nearly as bad as people make it out. I did just get a new Chinese SKS from a friend, this thing is nuts. I cant believe how easy it is to clean and take apart and reassemble then fire.