 Originally Posted by Legion2213
Symphonic, if this scumbag had been jailed for life (meaning life), you probably wouldn't see the sort of comments that disturb you, because justice would have been seen to be done.
It's cases like this when evil people are given many chances and the law bends over backwards to protect them that people start saying crazy things.
Example: You don't see too many posts on here or elsewhere about "The Yorkshire Ripper" do you? Why? Because he will die in prison, people know he will die in prison, so they are content that justice has been served to the maximum that we allow in the UK.
Yeah fair enough, I see your point.
Perhaps then the issue, like immigration, isn't with the subjects at hand rather than the system that puts them there - or in this case, doesn't - people seem to be confusing their issues with the justice system and their hate for a murderer - seems like the cause should be taken to the government rather than calling for murder themselves...
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Originally Posted by Wyldwraith
I'm sickened by so much of this,
Yes, we need to work harder on both finding new means of protecting society from predators and refining existing methods to close many existing loopholes and inconsistencies that allow dangerous individuals to be released after serving only a small fraction of their sentence.
Even so, that's NOT ENOUGH. We've built a punitive punishment & deterrent-based justice system. Now we're finding that neither the promised deterrent effect OR the harsh punitive methods of our prisons are working as we envisioned.
Angered by this, many clamor for "justice with finality"....aka retaliatory State-sanctioned murder. Does executing the predators solve the problem of what to do with the predators we've already caught, insofar as protecting society from any further harm by them work? Yes. Unfortunately, capital punishment is not now, nor has it ever been an effective deterrent...which after all, is the primary goal. Dealing with 1 individual who's already done their damage does NOTHING to prevent more and more and more sick fucks from going out and doing the same sorts of vile acts we wish to execute the monsters we've caught for.
If Capital Punishment fails as a deterrent/preventative measure, as every damned study done seems to indicate, then all it becomes is revenge/retaliation that does nothing to help society with the primary problem. What problem? The creation of ever more monsters of this sort with every passing year.
Call it liberal pap if you like, but if we don't go to the heart of the problem by working to eliminate the environments that help to shape these screwed up individuals, we will NEVER stem the rising tide of vicious barbarism that threatens to drown us in its depravity.
What we do once the criminal has already been shaped into the twisted caricature of a human being that desires to perform these depraved acts of violence is simply cleaning up the spilled blood. It does next to nothing to reduce the amount of innocent blood being spilled.
History has taught us that much. The 1800s legal system hung criminals for pretty much everything we consider a serious felony, even non-violent thefts. It made executions into spectacles, theorizing as authorities had for centuries that displaying the consequences of crimes would deter future potential offenders.
The result? One of the most violent, revenge-oriented, unjust periods of American history.
We've tried the "Hang 'em High!" approach, and all it did was make death into some sort of macabre spectacle. Then as now, it did and still would CREATE far more killers than it deterred, if for no other reason than our sick society's emphasis on fame-at-any-cost.
Even without the draconian and methodical expansion of the Retaliatory Justice system, we already need Son of Sam laws to prevent killers from cashing in on the celebrity-status their crimes have given them.
Can anyone honestly and factually support a line of reasoning that can explain why returning to a more execution-friendly system wouldn't explosively expand the Serial Killer As Celebrity phenomena?
If you can't find a means of convincing society to cast aside such ghoulishly bestowed celebrity to these predators, it doesn't matter if you create autonomous roving death squads. You STILL won't have a significant impact on capital crimes.
All this is FAR more complicated than the tried-and-not-true method of Execute Them All, Let God Sort Them Out. I wish more people would understand that.
Excellent post, couldn't agree more, and couldn't have said it better myself.
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