Quality of dawn 04's characters

[darth los]

Indeed, these films won't last the test of time, and indeed, Yawnorama04 will fade into the distance in due time, but GAR's superb original will remain a cinematic milestone, a key note in the annals of horror history. I like to tell it how it is. Gar has had more than a few turds. That being said you can't name many other directors that have two classics under their belts the caliber of Dawn and NOTLD. That puts him in very exclusive company. NOTLD for all intents and purposes created a genre and the template for zombie films. Dawn was an Expansion on NOTLD and the best film the genre has ever produced. I feel it is so good that I'd put it up against great all time great films from other genres. What do you think?

[MinionZombie]

Well, if memory serves, on one of those "100 best/top/whatever" lists that Channel 4 like to do so much - this one I'm thinking of being 100 Greatest Films - Dawn of the Dead was in there with all the other genres. Can't remember wher it was placed, my memory is fuzzy on that, but I do remember it being in there, and that's fan votes too.

[ash]

I know the characters are awful, but I still find Dawn04 entertaining. The gore is top-notch, and the zombie action scenes are entertaining. Then, of course, I don't have a Dawn04 poster on my wall as a testament to the fact that the original is infinately better.

[darth los]

I know the characters are awful, but I still find Dawn04 entertaining. The gore is top-notch, and the zombie action scenes are entertaining. Then, of course, I don't have a Dawn04 poster on my wall as a testament to the fact that the original is infinately better. Your right that the original is infinitely better. As for the remake, it's well documented that i like it better tha nLOTD. Which goes to show how much i dislike that film. However, it's painfully obvious that the remake could have been so much more if things like storyline/character development were fleshed out more.

[zombieslayer]

Ving was Kenneth, if you couldn't remember that i question your fan support of both DAWNs. Ana Kenneth Michael CJ Andre Luda Monica Luis (Ana's Husband) Bart Terry Frank (Nicole's father) Nicole Norma Tucker Steve Glen Chips (Dog) you forgot andy from andy's gun world.

[coma]

I like to tell it how it is. Gar has had more than a few turds. That being said you can't name many other directors that have two classics under their belts the caliber of Dawn and NOTLD. That puts him in very exclusive company. NOTLD for all intents and purposes created a genre and the template for zombie films. Dawn was an Expansion on NOTLD and the best film the genre has ever produced. I feel it is so good that I'd put it up against great all time great films from other genres. What do you think? Some GAR films are better than others, but I dont think any of them are turds. Maybe unsuccessful or below average, but not turds. Children of the Living Dead is a turd, if you see what I mean. So I respectfully disagree. NOTLD is more than a genre film. It had many elements making it transcend genre. Though there is nothing wrong with Genre films. Hitchcock for example and many of the other great Noir films. NOTLD has Bold and radical casting choices. Duane Jones may have "been the best actor" amongst GARs pals, but it was still radical. A lesser filmaker would've made the actor who played Tom the lead. The Gore. At the time sexual content was the final frontier. But Gore and violence really was, to put Gore in the context of a high mined picture was unusual and influenced many other films that broke barriers. HG lewis may have been first but that was Porn level fims. NOTLD'S was appropriate and non gratuitous. It also wasnt sadistic like the later Wild Bunch, for example, and something like LAst House On the Left. The ending. That was at the end of the production code and the Studio system. A downbeat ending almost NEVER happened and that ending was the most downbeat of all. I really love the Photography. To me, greatly influenced by Hitchcock and very sophisticated for any film of the era, never mind Genre films also the non gimmicky use of electronic music. Anybody know who made the Synth music. Its not from a library. I would love to know more about that. The Photo Montage at the end was unique and maybe still is. The structure and movement of the dialouge and scenes is above and beyond other genre films until that time. Most other Genre films in 68 were cheapo exploitation (like Giant bugs) or period victorian films like Hammer. You hold NOTLD up to any film of that period and it is more like The French New Wave than any Hollywood or American exploitation film. I do agree that even with only NOTLD and DOTD, GAR would have secured his place in the pantheon of Classic filmmakers. Nothing he could do could diminish the greatness of those two films. Dawn 04 is a regular Genre film. Saying the Zombie action was really cool is actually not much of an endorsement. The Characterization was inconsistent when it actually existed. Cardboard cutouts all. A Richie Rich comic from the 70s has better fleshed out Characters. As a stand alone film DOTD04 was Light entertainment with a sub par script. Pretty much everything but the script was good. Decent acting, good cinematography, Great FX. But the characters were lame and thin. If it was about ANDY, it would've been way better. But it wasnt. A MCDonalds movie, imo. Tastes good, but has no nutritional value and is inedible when cold.

[darth los]

Some GAR films are better than others, but I dont think any of them are turds. Maybe unsuccessful or below average, but not turds. Children of the Living Dead is a turd, if you see what I mean. So I respectfully disagree. NOTLD is more than a genre film. It had many elements making it transcend genre. Though there is nothing wrong with Genre films. Hitchcock for example and many of the other great Noir films. NOTLD has Bold and radical casting choices. Duane Jones may have "been the best actor" amongst GARs pals, but it was still radical. A lesser filmaker would've made the actor who played Tom the lead. The Gore. At the time sexual content was the final frontier. But Gore and violence really was, to put Gore in the context of a high mined picture was unusual and influenced many other films that broke barriers. HG lewis may have been first but that was Porn level fims. NOTLD'S was appropriate and non gratuitous. It also wasnt sadistic like the later Wild Bunch, for example, and something like LAst House On the Left. The ending. That was at the end of the production code and the Studio system. A downbeat ending almost NEVER happened and that ending was the most downbeat of all. I really love the Photography. To me, greatly influenced by Hitchcock and very sophisticated for any film of the era, never mind Genre films also the non gimmicky use of electronic music. Anybody know who made the Synth music. Its not from a library. I would love to know more about that. The Photo Montage at the end was unique and maybe still is. The structure and movement of the dialouge and scenes is above and beyond other genre films until that time. Most other Genre films in 68 were cheapo exploitation (like Giant bugs) or period victorian films like Hammer. You hold NOTLD up to any film of that period and it is more like The French New Wave than any Hollywood or American exploitation film. I do agree that even with only NOTLD and DOTD, GAR would have secured his place in the pantheon of Classic filmmakers. Nothing he could do could diminish the greatness of those two films. Dawn 04 is a regular Genre film. Saying the Zombie action was really cool is actually not much of an endorsement. The Characterization was inconsistent when it actually existed. Cardboard cutouts all. A Richie Rich comic from the 70s has better fleshed out Characters. As a stand alone film DOTD04 was Light entertainment with a sub par script. Pretty much everything but the script was good. Decent acting, good cinematography, Great FX. But the characters were lame and thin. If it was about ANDY, it would've been way better. But it wasnt. A MCDonalds movie, imo. Tastes good, but has no nutritional value and is inedible when cold. I never meant to say that night was i genre film. What i meant was that before NOTLD there was nothing else out there even close to it. It was so different that it deserved it's own class of films (thus it's own genre). The horror films f that era had nothing on NOTLD. The subsequent horror films in the 70's and 80's were just following the path that GAR trailblazed. As it pertains to DOTD, that's how you make a sequel!! It did everything the first one did only bigger and better and was no less socially relevant.