TWD 2x05 "Chupacabra" episode discussion... **SPOILERS WITHIN**

[shootemindehead]

To add, it's a jelly that burns extremely intensely and is...er..."great" on people, which it can stick too. It's a terrible, terrible weapon. But it probably wouldn't do too much damage to buildings. Incendiaries and High Explosive is used to gut buildings...and...em...people too. Nice scene too and well acted. The shock is well caught.

[Legion2213]

Agree with what others have said, napalm would be extremely effective against large groups of concentrated walkers, without totally destroying everything around them like hi-ex or frag munitions would, I'd like to see a bit more of this flashback action in episodes to come. When we watched the scene, I imagined those heli's encountering huge hordes of the f*ckers, streets absolutely heaving with them and going "weapons hot" or whatever.

[kidgloves]

The geography of Atlanta is all kinds of f*cked up in this show. I could spend hours telling you how they've screwed it all up for obvious time/money/production purposes, but just take my word for it.....angles, buildings, and streets in the TV show(particularly entering and exiting the city on highways) mean absolutely nothing to the real layout of the city. Cheers. I suppose this a good example of overanalysis. Somethings should be left alone when its a tv show and just put down to production issues etc like you say. Oh. I've just found out a massive spoiler for the upcoming shows. I've really got to stop doing that

[MikePizzoff]

No worries. I have it on good authority that the South did rise again. Of course, they were all zombies, but you can't win 'em all.

[krisvds]

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[Thorn]

As an avid read of the comics I disagree. The television series most definitely is NOT the comic. True both share some sloppy dialogue, but the overall soapy-ness is well ramped up in the AMC production. The comic surprised more in the way Kirkman treats his main characters. Seldom have I encountered a more ruthless disregard of what the majority of scriptwriters consider as 'not done' as in the Kirkman comics. This has led to him stating that, given the chance, he would have done things differently, but still,... For one, the emphasis on the love triangle wasn't in the comics, and without going into any spoilers, I would be very surprised if this little television drama will dare go to the same bleak territory the comic characters find themselves in during the whole prison/governor storyline. Still enjoy the series though. It's just not as bleak and gripping as the comics were for me. Can't really put my finger on it but this depiction of zombiegeddon at times feels too cosy. I respect your opinion, and right to disagree but the comic is full of slow points, and lots of hooks ups, and amazing amounts of drama. Usually with a point to further character development or make you care more for a kill. I would disagree that the show is so far outside of that as to be unrecognizable. I can think of so many examples of characters hooking up, dying then hooking up with others... or people they care about dying so they hook up with others in schoolboy and girl like fashion for one issue or so just so they can kill them off later. It is a tool to make you care, it is character development and the comic is in fact full of it. People CONTINUALLY couple up in the comic. It is what comics do, it is what turns a lot of people off to comics they are giant soap operas for a male audience. -- -------- Post added at 01:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:22 PM ---------- Now this might be an elaborate hoax but still, do not click if you do not wish to be spoiled. Just saying:   http://imageshack.us/f/851/1321622887353.jpg/   I do not think they are the same people, the shirt is different (one is a circle the other is a 3/4 rainbow, and one looks much older to me anyway... then again could be It was something a lot of people thought might be the case and would make for one hell of a good story.

[kidgloves]

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[AcesandEights]

Still enjoy the series though. It's just not as bleak and gripping as the comics were for me. Can't really put my finger on it but this depiction of zombiegeddon at times feels too cosy. I think that's a fair point of view. I feel the same way, myself. That said, it's amazing some of the stuff they have gotten away with on basic cable. As I mentioned in another thread, I just don't think they can realistically touch upon the anguish, loss, decay, human savagery and gore adequately in a tv show for it to be realistic, so I settle for entertaining, which is what I signed up for with the tv rendition (though I can envision it being done in a much darker & desperate way on cable, but then there'd be a lot of people unhappy with that sort of storytelling).

[darth los]

I don't know much about Nepalm, but wouldn't that have burned some buildings? At least leave some scorched areas? We didn't see any of that in the first season. But of course we only saw a few streets.... In the pilot there were definitely burned up vehichles while rick wass roaming the streets. There were even a couple of zeds sitting in a burned bus and came out when they saw rick. Now it's just speculation as they could have gotten lit on fire any number of ways but it does support a napalm drop as well.

[Andy]

I Think my favourite of season 2 so far. I Loved the escalating tension between rick and shane, i get the feeling this is gonna lead to a nice big pay off in a future episode, more of hershels not trusting the group revealed and loved the scenes with merle and darryl out in the woods, true to both characters nature, even though it was only a death dream. The flash back at the beginning was great as i found reading the comics that i often wondered about shane, lori and carls journey and how the group met, this flash back shed abit of light on a often overlooked point. And fucking eyyy the barn of death is finally revealed Cannot wait for the big pay off! Hopefully next episode!! Btw does anyone else think Sophia might be in the barn? We have 2 episodes left before the mid season break and that would be quite a good place to leave people shocked. I know one thing for certain. Maggie has got a hell of a lot of explaining to do next episode so maybe we can find out something about Glen because we still don't know much about him.   No.. sophia is quite a important character and outlives her mother As for the walkers in the barn..I dunno..will we hear Herschel's justification? Or will they just pass it up or fart it away in a flashback just like so many other questions?   Herschel does not beleive they are dead but beleives they are severely sick, ala 28 days later, and will be cured. He does not want to murder innocent people so whenever a walker wonders onto his property, he restrains them and puts them in the barn.

[babomb]

I do not think they are the same people, the shirt is different (one is a circle the other is a 3/4 rainbow, and one looks much older to me anyway... then again could be It was something a lot of people thought might be the case and would make for one hell of a good story.   I thought the same thing. In the bottom photo it looks like she has boobs, and a bra strap. As to the differences between the comic and TV show- it's the same type of thing that happens when they turn a Stephen King novel into a film. When you're reading a graphic novel like TWD, you have stills that convey bits of the imagery relating to the scene. Your mind fills in the rest. When you see it on film like the TV show, your mind doesn't fill in the blanks because it's already created for you. This leads to a big disconnect between the way you saw it in your mind and the way it's depicted on film. For obvious reasons, it's impossible for filmmakers to give you what you saw in your mind while reading the comics. So you have 2 choices. You can watch and appreciate the series for what it is(an adaptation of the graphic novels). Or you can continue to watch and be dissapointed for what it IS NOT(a frame by frame recreation of a story you already know in it's entirety). Personally, I'd rather enjoy the show and disregard the differences.

[MinionZombie]

I concur - a great episode. Some thoughts: 1) Excellent episode for Daryl. We got to see both sides of his character, and we can see the conflict within him presenting itself - there's the 'blood loyalty' to Merle (and his underlying guilt about not looking for him), but then there's also him recalling how much of a scumbag Merle is - and then there's the softer side which is being openly accepted by the group: the scene where Carol brings him food and kisses him on the forehead illustrated this nicely. You can see the conflict in his mind now - he'll have to choose one way or another. 2) The teaser from last week was a tricksy bugger - I was convinced he got into a fight with the real Merle - but no, it was all an hallucination. A good one, mind. 3) Two AWESOME zombie kills - the one gnawing on his boot was funny at first, then caving in the head with a branch was pretty brutal ... then the next one was really tense and then it just got fanboyishly enjoyable when it landed on the arrow. 4) Glenn was hilarious in this episode - his scene with Dale was great, as was his scene on the porch with Maggie where he tried to be all charming and cocky, haha. 5) All the stuff in the woods with Daryl was really tense - this show has continually proved to be very adept at providing genuinely tense sequences. Excellent work, folks of TWD! 6) The scene between Rick and Shane was a great one. The nostalgia for the old days, which was genuinely enjoyable to listen to (they really do feel like old friends), but then Shane's emerging dark side was fascinating to watch as well. As Andy has said, I'm sure this is going to pay off with very interesting developments (some of which we'll no doubt see next week, according to the preview that we got ... Shane vs Dale!) 7) I knew that the barn had zombies in it (as I've long-since-read Volume 2 of the trade paperbacks), but it was a spiffing reveal. It was a creepy idea in the comics, but I feel it's going to be ever-more-so in the show. 8) Herschel is really coming to life for me in the show - Scott Wilson's performance is really good - I knew he was a man with very strong convictions of his own in the comics, but it's really vivid here in the show. The tension between the groups - as a result of Herschel's dominance on the farm - is palpable. He's a gentle old man on one hand, but on the other he's a formidable and dominant presence. 9) Hopefully Andrea finally got some sense knocked into her - she's been so gung-ho recently - it's good that they have plenty for her character to go through, but it's good that she's been given a dose of reality about firearms in her own hands now. 10) Still no sign of Sophia! lol - well, her doll anyway (I thought it was sweet that Daryl rescued that - a sign of his softer side, and his growing dedication to the group). Will she be in the barn? I don't know if they'll go that far ... in the comics I've always seen Carl and Sophia as a perceived 'future' for humanity. When they grow up they'll be able to keep the human race going. If they did, it'd be a real shock for sure, but I don't think they will. I'm wondering if Sophia will be with Merle ... just thinking more practically, there's a possibility that we'll get more Merle and Sophia (being that they both appeared in this episode after long absences - you could combine scenes into shooting periods with those actors, you see) ... maybe not, it's just a theory, but perhaps that'll be the case? 11) The opening scene was great. I love seeing more of Lori/Carl/Shane in the early days - the bombing of Atlanta was chilling, to say the least. I wonder if we'll get another flashback featuring Ed as well - the actor returned for that scene, so I wonder if they got him to shoot some other stuff for the next one or two episodes in flashback? Speaking of which, I thought it was nice that Carol said Daryl had done way more for Sophia than Ed ever did. I wonder if we'll see some sort of pseudo-relationship develop between Carol and Daryl ... just another wild idea, but who knows? So yeah - another excellent episode! ... Regarding complaints about people 'hooking up', you should read the comics. Everyone's fucking everyone in the books (at least from the 8 volumes I've so far read). The Glenn/Maggie thing is faithful to the comics and there's one relationship that had started before we join the comics, that's not even close to getting going in the actual show. Indeed, the amount of hooking up in the comics - from the ones I've so far read anyway - is at times silly, but I just go with it anyway. That element has really been pared down in the TV show, and I feel it's much more realistic. As for human drama - if you didn't have it, you'd be pissing and moaning that it wasn't there - and indeed if you don't have it, everything becomes meaningless and it'd become a tiresome string of zombie kills with bugger all context. The opening sequence of Atlanta being bombed is so much more chilling because we have all the backstory of the city itself, we've already been there and seen the devestation after-the-fact, and we've got so much knowledge about the characters at the centre of that sequence. The 'barn of the dead' was in the comics, and it was there for good reason.

[Tricky]

I concur, good episode which I enjoyed much more than the previous one (which wasnt bad, just a bit slow). Cant say much more than what MZ said above but I did enjoy it, especially as there were more zombies in this one. I'm not so fussed about zombie kills as its good that the show isnt just a slaughterfest, but I would like to see more random walkers in the distance and things like that

[Wyldwraith]

The one thing I really don't care for this season, I understand that the whole barn thing is a done deal from the comics and all. What I don't get is this: If Herschel is such a man of conviction, and he thinks it's "right" to keep non-terminated zombies active and locked in a barn that is nevertheless relatively accessible (and dangerous to anyone who doesn't already know the deal with the zombies in it)...why is he (Herschel) secretive about doing so? I mean, if he believes he's doing the right thing, and he's so firm in his expectations that the group of survivors will respect his rules on his land, why the need to keep such info from them? When Rick offered to move the group down by the barn to give Herschel and his people more room/less crowding, Herschel put the kibosh on that quickly enough. What I'm saying I guess is this: If Herschel has Muldoon-like convictions concerning the barn zombies, then why would it even OCCUR to him to try and conceal their presence? After all, if he believes he can do what he wants on his land, and if he believes what he's doing is "right", why not be open about it when Rick brought the barn up? Not asking for a major spoiler or anything. Just...the reasoning of the circumstances seems very bizarre to me.

[MinionZombie]

Wyld - probably because he knows not everyone is going to see things his way. It's why he's keen to see them not stay there forever. Plus this new group has shown up on his land and they're packing plenty of guns (indeed he demanded that nobody be walking around his land with a gun on their hip). Rick & Co are a potential threat to Herschel's actions - he might have convictions in his actions, but he also wants to protect his spiritual/medical experiment. The ideology of the new group on his land is simple - if it's dead, shoot it in the head - Herschel on the other hand has a different outlook.