FEAR The Walking Dead - Season 4 discussion...

[Buzzbomb]

Didn't think too much of this episode... but overall the series so far has been quite good. Hope that Madison's fate is revealed soon! Main reason this episode seemed weak was: a) the stand-off with guns pointed at near point blank range, yet no one got hit & by the next shot they'd all found vehicles to hide behind b) some cringe-worthy dialogue from Nick's character c) the argument between the two vulture brothers could have been made clearer, especially as it was crucial to the plot. Alycia's character also seems out of... 'character', although it makes a change to see one of the main players turning into one of the bad guys. She should have shot at the tires of the SWAT truck though.

[MinionZombie]

All good points Buzzbomb. This one was a bit of a filler episode, circling the landing zone that should come with 4x08. Some good moments in there (the baseball field of burned walkers), but felt too slow for this point in the season for the majority until things heated up later on ... although, sure, there was a gun fight at the beginning to be fair, but I did find the bulletproof nature of the vehicles a bit distracting. Indeed, I also spent a lot of that sequence cursing Alicia for shooting John, so... Wouldn't the tyres on the SWAT vehicle be special tyres though? Not bulletproof or something, heh, but a special kind that would make the vehicle less vulnerable?

[Moon Knight]

It was a filler episode but I think it built up the tension quite nicely leading up to the finale. One thing it also accomplished was giving us a bit more meat to Melvin’s character. He’s not a one dimensional villain. He actually showed he cared about Charlie and Charlie cared for him. Something small but I really liked that. Agreed on the opening gunfight. So frustrating.

[MinionZombie]

One thing it also accomplished was giving us a bit more meat to Melvin’s character. He’s not a one dimensional villain. He actually showed he cared about Charlie and Charlie cared for him. Something small but I really liked that. Oh aye, yeah, I liked that aspect. Made him a bit more complex and three-dimensional, albeit late in the day of his character's time on the show. Likewise Charlie getting taken under Morgan's wing ... she's got plenty to feel guilty about, having been kind of manipulated.

[Moon Knight]

Oh aye, yeah, I liked that aspect. Made him a bit more complex and three-dimensional, albeit late in the day of his character's time on the show. Likewise Charlie getting taken under Morgan's wing ... she's got plenty to feel guilty about, having been kind of manipulated. Also, now we found out it was definitely Enis who was the vengeful Vulture and not Melvin initially. Didn’t think about the Charlie and Morgan dynamic; pretty cool.

[JDP]

Also, now we found out it was definitely Enis who was the vengeful Vulture and not Melvin initially. Didn’t think about the Charlie and Morgan dynamic; pretty cool. Come on, let's be 100% honest: realistically-speaking, Luciana would have shot Charlie on the spot, no hesitations. So would Alicia. They got plenty of reasons to want her dead, kid or no kid.

[MinionZombie]

4x08 "No One's Gone" Directed by: Michael E. Satrazemis Written by: Ian B. Goldberg & Andrew Chambliss ... ... ... Live figures for episode 4x07 were 1.97m - the lowest ever such rating for an episode of FearTWD (the previous low was in season 3 with 1.99m). The week off probably didn't help. ... As for Luciana vs Charlie - regardless of what Charlie has done (killing Nick), Luciana was still faced with the very real reality of pointing a live, ready-to-fire weapon at the face of a child who is looking her right in the eye with terror. She's been through a lot, but she won't have killed a child point blank (or at all, most likely) in the ZA world. That's a whole other ball game right there. Charlie would deserve a death by vengeance for what she did to Nick, but also bear in mind that was after Nick killed her protector, so swings and roundabouts really. Even in the ZA there would be lines that people would refuse to cross.

[JDP]

4x08 "No One's Gone" Directed by: TBA Written by: TBA ... ... ... Live figures for episode 4x07 were 1.97m - the lowest ever such rating for an episode of FearTWD (the previous low was in season 3 with 1.99m). The week off probably didn't help. ... As for Luciana vs Charlie - regardless of what Charlie has done (killing Nick), Luciana was still faced with the very real reality of pointing a live, ready-to-fire weapon at the face of a child who is looking her right in the eye with terror. She's been through a lot, but she won't have killed a child point blank (or at all, most likely) in the ZA world. That's a whole other ball game right there. Charlie would deserve a death by vengeance for what she did to Nick, but also bear in mind that was after Nick killed her protector, so swings and roundabouts really. Even in the ZA there would be lines that people would refuse to cross. We have seen an example of a kid getting executed in cold blood in this ruthless WD universe for quite less. Not only did Charlie kill Nick, but she also is directly and fully-intentionally involved in the chain of events that finally led to the stadium's demise. She should never have been trusted again after what she had already pulled. There's no way that in real-life Luciana or Alicia would have hesitated to kill this dangerous trouble-making brat who has caused so much damage already. Don't let the child appearance and the "I'm sorries!" fool you. This is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Moon Knight]

We have seen an example of a kid getting executed in cold blood in this ruthless WD universe for quite less. Not only did Charlie kill Nick, but she also is directly and fully-intentionally involved in the chain of events that finally led to the stadium's demise. She should never have been trusted again after what she had already pulled. There's no way that in real-life Luciana or Alicia would have hesitated to kill this dangerous trouble-making brat who has caused so much damage already. Don't let the child appearance and the "I'm sorries!" fool you. This is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Oh you mean Lizzie the mentally unstable girl who just killed her own sister so she could live forever as a walker? Also the same girl who killed animals for fun and was about to do harm to Judith? Yeah, quite less.

[JDP]

Oh you mean Lizzie the mentally unstable girl who just killed her own sister so she could live forever as a walker? Also the same girl who killed animals for fun and was about to do harm to Judith? Yeah, quite less. You mean Charlie, the sane girl who infiltrated the stadium to spy and help undermine their efforts and then later on shot Nick, all of it 100% conscious of what she was doing to these people. Yeah, you bet it was quite less severe than what Charlie did.

[MinionZombie]

Well, there goes another O.G. cast member, and a strong character to boot. At least the way in which they dispatcher Madison was pretty stylish. The roasted walkers were pretty cool. This half-season definitely has been a big improvement over the last couple of seasons, but it still got skewered by filler because of, quite simply, too many damn episodes. Cut it back to 12 or preferably 10, AMC. Speaking of which, they jacked up Preacher season 2 to 13 episodes and it really showed. Filler friggin' everywhere. For season 3 they've gone back to 10 episodes. Thank fudge for that! ... As for Charlie - her motivations were very different to Lizzie. She only killed Nick because Nick killed her protector, and she almost instantly regretted it. Essentially, she's only up to the level of what our protagonists are capable of. Lizzie, on the other hand, is full blown crazy. Carol's reason for executing Lizzie was necessitated because you can't go on living with a nutter like that nearby, especially not when she's already killed her own sister and was about to do the same thing to an infant. The execution was, essentially, carried out for humane reasons - and the sheer horror of the act was written all over Carol's face (one of the very best episodes of TWD ever, such a powerful moment). Indeed, the sheer awfulness of killing a child - even in the ZA - was writ large. Despite what Charlie had done to Nick (because Nick killed someone important to her), Luciana was still faced with the very real and immediate possibility of murdering a child. I don't care how far into a ZA you are, but some lines can't be crossed by some people. If Luciana had killed Charlie it would have been out of pure revenge, and I don't think that'd be good for the audience (they'd lose respect for the character) and it'd ultimately doom her. Carol killing Lizzie was an entirely different scenario, with Carol backed into a corner and the only humane thing to do was what she did - it was a selfless act, essentially. While Charlie has done bad things, they've all done bad things. We're on the side of Madison & Co because that's who we've followed. Now, much like The Saviours, the methods of the villains in season 4a wouldn't really fly for protagonists. Until Alicia turned back from the brink in this episode, I'd turned on her because she shot John ... you can only allow your heroes to go so far and only for certain reasons, otherwise they become villains themselves.

[JDP]

Well, there goes another O.G. cast member, and a strong character to boot. At least the way in which they dispatcher Madison was pretty stylish. The roasted walkers were pretty cool. This half-season definitely has been a big improvement over the last couple of seasons, but it still got skewered by filler because of, quite simply, too many damn episodes. Cut it back to 12 or preferably 10, AMC. Speaking of which, they jacked up Preacher season 2 to 13 episodes and it really showed. Filler friggin' everywhere. For season 3 they've gone back to 10 episodes. Thank fudge for that! ... As for Charlie - her motivations were very different to Lizzie. She only killed Nick because Nick killed her protector, and she almost instantly regretted it. Essentially, she's only up to the level of what our protagonists are capable of. Lizzie, on the other hand, is full blown crazy. Carol's reason for executing Lizzie was necessitated because you can't go on living with a nutter like that nearby, especially not when she's already killed her own sister and was about to do the same thing to an infant. The execution was, essentially, carried out for humane reasons - and the sheer horror of the act was written all over Carol's face (one of the very best episodes of TWD ever, such a powerful moment). Indeed, the sheer awfulness of killing a child - even in the ZA - was writ large. Despite what Charlie had done to Nick (because Nick killed someone important to her), Luciana was still faced with the very real and immediate possibility of murdering a child. I don't care how far into a ZA you are, but some lines can't be crossed by some people. If Luciana had killed Charlie it would have been out of pure revenge, and I don't think that'd be good for the audience (they'd lose respect for the character) and it'd ultimately doom her. Carol killing Lizzie was an entirely different scenario, with Carol backed into a corner and the only humane thing to do was what she did - it was a selfless act, essentially. While Charlie has done bad things, they've all done bad things. We're on the side of Madison & Co because that's who we've followed. Now, much like The Saviours, the methods of the villains in season 4a wouldn't really fly for protagonists. Until Alicia turned back from the brink in this episode, I'd turned on her because she shot John ... you can only allow your heroes to go so far and only for certain reasons, otherwise they become villains themselves. This is hardly convincing at all. Madison & company were minding their own business and not bothering anyone. On the contrary, they even kindly took new people in and made them part of the group. Madison even went out of her way to kindly invite these "vultures" in. It is very clear who the "good guys" are here. There are no "blurry" lines. It was Charlie and her parasitic "vulture" cronies, though, who maliciously and with full intent interfered with their lives and ended up ruining things for everyone, leading to the death of a bunch of people, including Nick and Madison. Comparing this to what a mentally unstable girl did is hardly fair. Charlie fully deserves to die, alongside all her "vulture" pals. Lizzie deserved to be interned in a psychiatric ward (but unfortunately there were none around, so she got executed instead.)

[Moon Knight]

You mean Charlie, the sane girl who infiltrated the stadium to spy and help undermine their efforts and then later on shot Nick, all of it 100% conscious of what she was doing to these people. Yeah, you bet it was quite less severe than what Charlie did. Charlie isn’t a deranged killer and last I checked it’s the zombie apocalypse, everyone has blood on their hands.

[JDP]

Charlie isn’t a deranged killer and last I checked it’s the zombie apocalypse, everyone has blood on their hands. Lizzie was just crazy and out of touch with reality, but Charlie did what she did perfectly conscious of what she was doing. The blood she has on her hands is the result of malicious intent. The entire "vulture" gang deserves to die, including Charlie. It wasn't Nick who unleashed an army of zombies on other people, resulting in a bunch of deaths and destruction. Nick killed that "vulture" guy because he totally deserved it. Charlie killed Nick because... that's how spiteful she is. She knows well that what that pal of hers did was wholesale murder, and thus deserved to pay for it. Nick is the "good guy" here, not that psycho, who totally had it coming.

[Moon Knight]

Lizzie was just crazy and out of touch with reality, but Charlie did what she did perfectly conscious of what she was doing. The blood she has on her hands is the result of malicious intent. The entire "vulture" gang deserves to die, including Charlie. It wasn't Nick who unleashed an army of zombies on other people, resulting in a bunch of deaths and destruction. Nick killed that "vulture" guy because he totally deserved it. Charlie killed Nick because... that's how spiteful she is. She knows well that what that pal of hers did was wholesale murder, and thus deserved to pay for it. Nick is the "good guy" here, not that psycho, who totally had it coming. Bro, go back and watch it again. You purposely trolling or what? You can see it in her eyes she regretted what she did the moment she pulled the trigger. She didn’t try hurting ANYONE since that. Don’t know how you see her as this vengeful demon.