You know, I did not hate Land...

[Thorn]

You know, I have read that there is a lot of dislike out there for Land of the Dead. I am not sure why this is really, personally I find it the most enjoyable of all the remakes. While certainly a lot of this boils down to personal preference and opinion. I see Land in several ways. It is the part for of the series we love so much, it is not a re-load, re-boot, or re-launch. It is not a totally new spin on something. It is the continuation of the story. We see what the world has come to years after the fall of man. It is logical to assume money, power, greed, and corruption remain rampant as that is human nature. We also see quite clearly the fact that man is a warring race who takes what he wants and destroys what is in his path. This is a sad matter of fact. How many wars are going on the world right now? Was GAR too political in his message? Maybe but I was able to get well beyond that and enjoy the world he crafted as it was the evolution of the world he envisioned all along. Certain subtle touches made it a gem to me. I liked the band sitting and playing music years later, I liked that a young couple found each other in the “undead life” that now claimed them and enough of their minds remembered that they were “together” once. Personally I have never been a fan of smart zombies, super zombies, or resident evil style monsters. I like my zombies slow, dead, and dumb. I like the reason for the infection/disease/plague/epidemic unknown. I like the world GAR created. That said he has always wanted to move in a direction where zombies got smarter and remembered parts of their old life in some way. Look at Bub. Look at the script treatments for at least one of his unreleased films. I can not say I like zombies with jack hammers, and weapons but it is the evolution of GARs vision so I accept it and I embrace it. Now as to some of the bad acting. There were certainly some low points, ut all in all I think the good actors balanced this out quite well. Especially hte principle actors. Some of the shock moments, did not impress me eitherand I found them to be a bit cheap. They also are part of the genre and as such we again have to accept them in my opinion and move beyond them. Did I like “Big Daddy”? No I didn’t, I didn’t like that it said that on his name tag, I didn’t like the "ape-like" noises that he made, and I didn’t like that he was Zombie Patton mustering his troops forward with a vendetta and an agenda. Though to be honest alpha males in ape packs will defend members of their family group even at the risk of their own life when there is a threat, and that is something that is primal in all of us. So it makes sense that it would exist in us when we "returned from the dead". Protect those around you who can not protect themselves. Some of the make up and special effects bothered me as well, yes they were high budget but a lot of them looked fake and did not work for me. A zombie blatantly wearing prosthetics is not scary. I sit and go, oh they did that with this, and that, and held it in place with spirit gum. I cut down their technique or applaud it, but when doing this I am not lost in the story the way I want to be. Some of the zombies were just over the top in their movements and motions, and a number of these were featured prominently. Someone needed to grab them and pull them aside and explain a herky jerky gate is the right idea, but doing so as quickly as you are takes the eye away from the main focus of the shot and it flies in the face of accepted “GAR zombie lore”. The underwater thing… sure okay. Makes sense, they remember they can pump gas, play instruments, fire automatic rifles, and hold hands… swimming shouldn’t be beyond their recollection. I still didn’t like it. I know that is a lot of negative up there in my big wall of text. However let me just say again I liked the movie, it wasn’t his best but it wasn’t horrible either in my opinion. I see that it has been bashed left and right for a while around here and I respect everyone’s opinion. I just humbly disagree. Has there been better acting in a zombie movie though? Has there been a more believable set? Has there been a movie in years that furthered the actual story line created like 40 years ago? I hated the fact that everyone had super-hero-esque nick names. Disliked some of the stereotypes. Couldn’t stand some of the tongue n cheek humor. But I am picky and critical in my film taste I spent time in the theatre, cinema arts, creative writing, took video production classes, and love movies and this genre in particular. I still enjoyed the movie. Enjoyed enough of the characters, the direction, and the ending seemed okay to me. I am not sure I would have just let a zombie horde walk away, I mean that horde could be feeding on survivors elsewhere tomorrow for all you know, and sadly you are at war with a creature that does not show compassion. Therefore you have to meet that merciless and brutal mindset with zero tolerance. They are zombies, they eat children. Having them walking around the planet is therefore bad. Again it was not perfect. But it was a good movie in my opinion and one I have watched a number of times. It is easy for us to cut it up now, it is harder to make a movie that appeals to everyone and still brings in money at the box office. Land offered a bit for all of us I think and correct me if I am wrong made some money to boot. It also set up a sequel should GAR decide to go that route, and in the end I think we all agree that it is a world we all care about quite a bit.

[horrormad]

I dont hate Land it a good movie.

[Bub666]

I didn't hate Land,I love Land.I think it's a very good movie.It's not as great as the first 3 movies,but it's still a good movie.

[darth los]

You know, I have read that there is a lot of dislike out there for Land of the Dead. I am not sure why this is really, personally I find it the most enjoyable of all the remakes. While certainly a lot of this boils down to personal preference and opinion. I see Land in several ways. It is the part for of the series we love so much, it is not a re-load, re-boot, or re-launch. It is not a totally new spin on something. It is the continuation of the story. We see what the world has come to years after the fall of man. It is logical to assume money, power, greed, and corruption remain rampant as that is human nature. We also see quite clearly the fact that man is a warring race who takes what he wants and destroys what is in his path. This is a sad matter of fact. How many wars are going on the world right now? Was GAR too political in his message? Maybe but I was able to get well beyond that and enjoy the world he crafted as it was the evolution of the world he envisioned all along. Certain subtle touches made it a gem to me. I liked the band sitting and playing music years later, I liked that a young couple found each other in the “undead life” that now claimed them and enough of their minds remembered that they were “together” once. Personally I have never been a fan of smart zombies, super zombies, or resident evil style monsters. I like my zombies slow, dead, and dumb. I like the reason for the infection/disease/plague/epidemic unknown. I like the world GAR created. That said he has always wanted to move in a direction where zombies got smarter and remembered parts of their old life in some way. Look at Bub. Look at the script treatments for at least one of his unreleased films. I can not say I like zombies with jack hammers, and weapons but it is the evolution of GARs vision so I accept it and I embrace it. Now as to some of the bad acting. There were certainly some low points, ut all in all I think the good actors balanced this out quite well. Especially hte principle actors. Some of the shock moments, did not impress me eitherand I found them to be a bit cheap. They also are part of the genre and as such we again have to accept them in my opinion and move beyond them. Did I like “Big Daddy”? No I didn’t, I didn’t like that it said that on his name tag, I didn’t like the "ape-like" noises that he made, and I didn’t like that he was Zombie Patton mustering his troops forward with a vendetta and an agenda. Though to be honest alpha males in ape packs will defend members of their family group even at the risk of their own life when there is a threat, and that is something that is primal in all of us. So it makes sense that it would exist in us when we "returned from the dead". Protect those around you who can not protect themselves. Some of the make up and special effects bothered me as well, yes they were high budget but a lot of them looked fake and did not work for me. A zombie blatantly wearing prosthetics is not scary. I sit and go, oh they did that with this, and that, and held it in place with spirit gum. I cut down their technique or applaud it, but when doing this I am not lost in the story the way I want to be. Some of the zombies were just over the top in their movements and motions, and a number of these were featured prominently. Someone needed to grab them and pull them aside and explain a herky jerky gate is the right idea, but doing so as quickly as you are takes the eye away from the main focus of the shot and it flies in the face of accepted “GAR zombie lore”. The underwater thing… sure okay. Makes sense, they remember they can pump gas, play instruments, fire automatic rifles, and hold hands… swimming shouldn’t be beyond their recollection. I still didn’t like it. I know that is a lot of negative up there in my big wall of text. However let me just say again I liked the movie, it wasn’t his best but it wasn’t horrible either in my opinion. I see that it has been bashed left and right for a while around here and I respect everyone’s opinion. I just humbly disagree. Has there been better acting in a zombie movie though? Has there been a more believable set? Has there been a movie in years that furthered the actual story line created like 40 years ago? I hated the fact that everyone had super-hero-esque nick names. Disliked some of the stereotypes. Couldn’t stand some of the tongue n cheek humor. But I am picky and critical in my film taste I spent time in the theatre, cinema arts, creative writing, took video production classes, and love movies and this genre in particular. I still enjoyed the movie. Enjoyed enough of the characters, the direction, and the ending seemed okay to me. I am not sure I would have just let a zombie horde walk away, I mean that horde could be feeding on survivors elsewhere tomorrow for all you know, and sadly you are at war with a creature that does not show compassion. Therefore you have to meet that merciless and brutal mindset with zero tolerance. They are zombies, they eat children. Having them walking around the planet is therefore bad. Again it was not perfect. But it was a good movie in my opinion and one I have watched a number of times. It is easy for us to cut it up now, it is harder to make a movie that appeals to everyone and still brings in money at the box office. Land offered a bit for all of us I think and correct me if I am wrong made some money to boot. It also set up a sequel should GAR decide to go that route, and in the end I think we all agree that it is a world we all care about quite a bit. What is land a remake of by the way?

[Thorn]

Oh, nothing. That really should read "of the more recently released dead films". I picked up on the mistake earlier but decided to let it lie I didn't figure anyone would really notice/mind.

[bassman]

Oh, nothing. That really should read "of the more recently released dead films". I picked up on the mistake earlier but decided to let it lie I didn't figure anyone would really notice/mind. You were wrong sir! Someone is always watching at HPotD. I agree with you. I've liked Land from the start. Is it as good as the original trilogy? No, because I already held those close to my heart. Nothing could have compared to those. But it's still a very entertaining film. It's the best zombie film since Night90, imo.

[MoonSylver]

Pretty much agreed. I liked it, even though I could recognize (& accept) it's flaws. Welcome back btw!

[Andy]

I Hate land with a passion, it is my personal worse Z movie of all time and no-one will ever convince me otherwise.

[Bruiser235]

I thought Land was ok. Definitely the weakest in the series, in terms of effects and story, in my opinion. He just gets a little too political for his own good here. No, I do not have any sympathy for the zombies. Nor do I have sympathy for Kaufman and the rich folk screwing everyone. I feel this movie had so much potential but it was lost somewhere. I've read the script online and while I do think it's better than the finished project, it was still lacking. When I read the script I got the feeling Riley was meant to be black, and Big Daddy white. Not sure if that's right or not. GAR, I think, was inspired by Fritz Lang's masterpiece, Metropolis. The setup is similar in both films (society divided and at odds with other, the uncaring ruler of the city, etc...) I feel that if GAR had tapped more into that vein it would have worked better. I think Riley should have been Kaufman's son who is disgusted by his father's attitude toward the whole situation, but is unsure how to mediate between the rich and poor. Have scenes of Mulligan and Kaufman verbally fighting, but subtlely show both want a peaceful resolution, although their egos get in the way. Keep the zombies getting smarter and attacking the city, but not as a "you can't treat us like this" motif but rather as a "you cannot ignore the situation and pretend it doesn't exist" motif. Have Cholo take Dead Reckoning but not fire on the city because Riley talks him out of it. Show Riley as slowly understand and believing he can resolve the situation between Kaufman and Mulligan peacefully. Have Dead Reckoning arrive in time and save the people trapped at the electric fence (like in the original script). Have the fireworks work throughout the whole movie (again like the original script). Then, Kaufman, the soldiers and Mulligan's people clear the city of zombies. However, they are about to turn on each other when Riley steps in. He says to Kaufman that him and the rich cannot go on as though the world hasn't changed, and cannot treat the rest of the city like they have been. He says to Mulligan that change is needed, but this is not the way to accomplish it. Riley would then unite the two halves of society and then we fade to black. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[clanglee]

I can't even muster up the strength for this old arguement. . . Suffice it to say this. You put up a lot more negatives than you did positives. I am just less forgiving of those negatives. Although, after Diary, I am a lot more forgiving of Land as well.

[Yojimbo]

Although I still have a problem with Big Daddy with all the grunting and gesticulating which I found to be comically distracting and annoyingly stupid, after rewatching LAND I have found that I like it a lot. As many have said, it was not as good as NOLD or DOTD, but certainly not the worst film ever made by GAR, though I agree when GAR refers to LAND as his "Beyond Thunderdome" Were there political messages in LAND? Yes, there were. Did I find them heavy handed? Not in the least. Was Big Daddy lame? Yes. Yes he was.

[bassman]

Was Big Daddy lame? Yes. Yes he was. I can see why people may dislike him for the fact that me may have been over used.....but the idea of the character is great. Maybe it wasn't executed perefectly, that much I agree with, but the character is still just as memorable as Bub, imo. With the few hickups that BD had, he still provoked a similar "bub feeling" in my mind. Is he equal to Bub? No way. But he was still someone to relate to. With Day, we relate to Sarah and Bub. The opposites of the story. In Land we relate to Big Daddy and Riley. It's very similar. It's great observation in both cases. It's just that one was executed better than the other.

[Mike70]

maybe what romero is trying to say in land is akin to what walter miller said in "a canticle for leibowitz" that humans are doomed to repeat the same mistakes, create the same old social boundaries and covenants, even though we know they are a death trip, over and over again. that despite our best intentions we are flawed in fundamental ways and maybe, ultimately, there is no saving us from us.

[Bub666]

Was Big Daddy lame? Yes. Yes he was. That was the only problem that I had with Land.

[MoonSylver]

I can see why people may dislike him for the fact that me may have been over used.....but the idea of the character is great. Maybe it wasn't executed perefectly Yup, that was my thought. LOVED the idea of the character, not so keen on the execution. All of the others zombies in BD's posse got it right, the balance between zombie-dom & re-awakening intelligence. If they'd played BD like they did Number 6, Butcher, or Tambourine, he would've been perfect.