Apocalypse like riots in London, Birmingham and Leeds

[AfterMovieDiner]

For all the Brits who come to this forum that are within range of these terrible riots taking place currently in the UK, as an ex-pat myself and a former London resident who had been to the Balham Sainsbury's they are now attacking, I hope you are all safe! Please stay safe, take care and carry a cricket bat!

[Tricky]

The police need to come down hard on these bastards, chav & gang culture has been getting worse & worse over the past decade, especially in the cities, and its led to this. I dont think it has anything to do with race or government cuts or disaffected youth etc which some commentators are saying, its just a large number of scrotes from all backgrounds who think kicking off like this is a good laugh and makes them look hard, they all like to be involved in petty crime & violence because they think it makes them a respected hardcase, which in the circles they move in it does. I was angry enough about the damage done by the student protesters last year, but this is a whole different ball game. I'd like to see the police & possibly even military move in with water cannon, baton rounds, tear gas & even live rounds if necessary to sort these scum out. Anything else and they just look like they've lost control of the country. Unfortunately all the bleeding hearts, hand wringers, lawyers, community workers and more than likely the EU will make sure that the police cant unleash hell on these shitbags

[slickwilly13]

Personally, I think the police need to grow some balls and start shooting them.

[Danny]

Thank fuck i live in the country. also, saw a snippet from fox news reporting on it, seemed to think london was a borough of edinburgh, and it was all one giant army called "the charrves" Is that channel actually manned by anyone with an education above middle school level? also, the sooner i can move to toronto the better.

[erisi236]

Watching this unfold on TV from the States is just really strange. Seeing roving bands roam the streets looting and burning while what I assume are police just kind of standing around watching it happen, is odd to say the least. This kind of thing would go on for about an hour before they started caving in heads and sicking dogs on us. Let along the general population at large here... =D

[shootemindehead]

Maybe England should take a leaf out of Syria's book.

[MinionZombie]

It's sickening. Countless innocent people have lost their jobs, their homes, and therefore their entire lives, because of these mindless violent thugs and gangs. Nevermind what a handful of very vocal wishy washy whiners saying (the so-called "progressive majority" who are in fact anything but), and listen to the vast majority of Britons - the people who want to see water canons and army reserve boots on the ground dealing with these twats. There's no political agenda behind it, government "cuts" (technically it's merely 'a slower rate of expansion', rather disappointingly) have fuck all to do with it, it's got nothing to do with "deprivation", or the death of some guy who seemingly attempted to kill a cop - it's just a bunch of thugs in various areas of London, now Birmingham and Leeds, who see others kicking off and think "I'll have some of that" - they're only interested in violence, destruction, and lining their pockets with tacky-looking trainers and television sets. They're absolute scum that deserve to be dealt with in the harshest way possible - ignore the incessantly vocal minority of wishy washy wimps, and listen to Britain's populace. Gets military boots on the ground and sort these bastards out with water canons, tear gas, the ruddy lot - if some thug gets hurt, well then you should have been at home and not roaming the streets looking to ruin the lives of people in your own bloody community! Indeed, it's not only the thugs carrying out the acts, it's arsehole 'protesters' who think they're King Shit who need to be dealt with too: http://www.crashbangwallace.com/2011...ement-to-riot/ Jody McIntyre shot to fame (or notoriety) during the student riots. He garnered a lot of publicity by alleging that the police assaulted him and pushed him out of his wheelchair after he had deliberately placed himself at the front line of the riots in Westminster. Far from being just a run-of-the-mill student, though, it swiftly turned out that he was a hard core hard-left activist who was closely enough involved with the violent disorder that he was apparently part of the group who ended up on the roof of Millbank along with the fire extinguisher-thrower. In May, the IPPC threw out his complaint on the grounds that the officers on the front line were right to remove him from the violent and turbulent situation in which he had deliberately placed himself. Any lingering illusion that McIntyre was a victim of circumstance, caught up in trouble by accident, has now been shattered by his Tweeting over the weekend. As well as attending the riots and looting in Brixton and Tottenham, he tweeted urging others to commit violent disorder too: Be inspired by the scenes in #tottenham, and rise up in your own neighbourhood. 100 people in every area = the way we can beat the feds. As well as being morally wrong, as far as I can see this tweet may well be a crime. It doesn’t appear to be a joke or satire, and it clearly incites others to copycat what went on in Tottenham, which involved multiple assaults, arson of shops and houses, theft and looting on a huge scale. It even makes clear that he wants this rioting spread in order to overwhelm the capacity of the police, presumably in order to give free rein for this kind of mass crime to happen unchecked. For McIntyre this might be a political crusade, but for the victims – the people who were hospitalised, the people who lost everything – these riots were a horrific experience, and something no decent person would want to see repeated. I’ve reported McIntyre to the Metropolitan Police for the offence of incitement to riot – you can do so too by phoning 101 to be connected to the Met’s control room, whether you report McIntyre or another instance of incitement.

[Neil]

What I can't understand is why rubber bullets are not being fired in cases such as this:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456050 There individuals are all clearly there purely for criminal intent. Indeed a police officer could easily be seriously injured or worse. Have officers armed with rubber bullets, and they need to come down hard on these mindless idiots. They should not be permitted to behave this way in our society! Infact, I'd be happy to see any of those individuals attacking the police deported! I'd pay good money to them in floods of tears as they waving goodbye to their mummy at the docks! Yes, rubber bullets can seriously injure someone, but I'd rather it was a chav than a police officer. And finally, watch this to see the quality of the people involved in this 'action':- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065

[MinionZombie]

I saw that apparently use of water canons has been "ruled out" by the government - with this, I'm not happy. I'm sure they must be going for the 'softly softly' approach so they don't get labelled as 'Thatcher brutes' or some such utter bollocking nonsense by a bunch of well-to-do class warriors and New Labour dinosaurs (who are so far removed from day-to-day Britain it's like a yawning chasm) ... meanwhile police officers (who are just people doing a job, and indeed, doing one of the toughest jobs on offer) are getting attacked by thugs who are hellbent on arson and looting and nothing more. Disgusting scenes of violence and property damage have filled our screens for 72 hours now - enough was enough after night one - this pussy-footing approach is stupid. I can understand they don't want to make things worse - but standing back and being softly softly about it all is in fact the worst thing to do - you've got to strike swiftly and firmly and get these thugs and criminals cut down - despite what the BBC News stupidly insist, these aren't "protesters" (they have no political agenda whatsoever), these are looters and thugs causing untold damage to people's lives and people's properties for absolutely no reason at all beyond gangs stealing to fuel their greed. Otherwise more of these gangs and loose canon thugs will see they can get away with it - it's like a wildfire - you've got to contain it hard and fast, otherwise it spreads, and then you're in awful trouble. I see MPs are being re-called, and COBRA is being assembled, but I am very disappointed to hear that water canons etc, and military personel, aren't being employed (beyond helping fire fighters) ... I mean ffs, stop the thugs before they set fire to everything! For crying out loud! Get a bloody grip on this mindless destruction!

[Neil]

The problem with water canons is:- a) They're not very mobile, and there's not many of them. b) They give a clear target for groups to fixate/rally around. I'd advocate rubber bullets though! Any groups seens openly attacking officers should be fair game IMHO!

[MinionZombie]

The problem with water canons is:- a) They're not very mobile, and there's not many of them. b) They give a clear target for groups to fixate/rally around. I'd advocate rubber bullets though! Any groups seens openly attacking officers should be fair game IMHO! Fair points. What's more, you see some of these masked thugs getting interview on TV (as if they're innocent bystanders!) and they're claiming racism or bullying - what a load of horseshit - why are they covering their face? If they don't want trouble, why are they on the streets in the midst of a riot (with their faces covered to boot!), and why are they being photographed and videoed breaking into shops to loot, burning cars, lobbing projectiles at police officers etc?! Seeing footage of seven police officers getting charged by dozens of thugs depresses me - those officers must be terrified and are obviously totally outnumbered - there seems to be a lack of command over the police officers to organise them properly, and indeed to bring in many more officers (apprently 16,000 will be on the streets tonight, after 6,000 last night, so says the PM). What's even more sickening are the sort of dimwitted arseholes who 'protested' recently about student fees condoning this sort of mindless criminality - they should be ashamed of themselves. Indeed that twat Jody MacIntyre has been reported to the police for inciting rioting and The Independent have taken down his blog (why on earth they gave that arsehole a blog in the first place is beyond me). -- -------- Post added at 02:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:38 PM ---------- Step this way to identify a thug: http://www.flickr.com/photos/metropo...th/6025489246/ And to show that the vast majority of citizens are law abiding and good hearted people, watch this video to cheer you up a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCsrc...layer_embedded

[LoSTBoY]

The problem with water canons is:- a) They're not very mobile, and there's not many of them. b) They give a clear target for groups to fixate/rally around. I'd advocate rubber bullets though! Any groups seens openly attacking officers should be fair game IMHO! 1400: Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh says plastic bullets - never used before during British disturbances - have been considered as "one of the tactics" available to officers at the riots.

[Neil]

1400: Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh says plastic bullets - never used before during British disturbances - have been considered as "one of the tactics" available to officers at the riots. Use them! Pleeease! If a gang of individuals attack police officers they need to be taught a lesson IMHO.

[bassman]

Rubber bullets? hrmph. Go "A-Mur-A-Can" and just shoot them with real ammo. They'll think twice if they live to see a next time.

[AfterMovieDiner]

Look, I am a liberal, I believe in the democratic process and some of the socialist schemes Britain has in place. I am also anti-violence and needless war however I am also for common sense and it just shows what a wishy washy, fumbling, overly politically correct, confused, scared and backward system we have now in Britain, where on the 4th day of major, violent, destructive rioting and looting they are still only "discussing" this stuff. A lot of these kids, that's right just mindless idiotic kids, between 13-18 grew up in a system where the police were hampered in doing their job because of ridiculous beaurocratic guides lines and fear from a thin skinned government of being reported in the press as being racist, sexist, blasphemous or of racial profiling and while I completely understand, because of past transgressions, that you can't always trust the police to be pure upholders of moral virtue, the only true form of non-discrimination is to treat every one the same and a criminal, no matter what the colour of their skin, sex or religion should be treated the same but they're not. There is nothing to respect in the police anymore as far as these kids are concerned, nothing to be afraid of and with the rise of us also becoming an overly litigious society, much in the American mould, it means there is even more for the hierarchy to be scared of. So they end up being ineffectual. These kids are opportunistic idiots hell bent on thuggery and thievery, more or less allowed to roam free as long as there are high enough numbers of them and while I do not advocate the use of violence on anyone because, violence just breeds more violence, at this point they need to be stopped at all costs. I saw an image of a burning pub/bar in north london the other night, just a building completely engulfed in flame and having worked in such places in my past, they are very often run independently for decades by people with families and their livelihood tied up in their work place, even if owned by a company or brewery. All I could think of is the devastation that has caused one such family, the kind that no amount of insurance will ever be able to replace. Something somebody has worked on for years and years of their life, gone in one needless mindless selfish act and that's just one of 100s. It's depressing, upsetting, unforgivable, with no justification and while I don't want Britain to become a police state, we do need to exert our authority at this time, some how. Also, when you have a situation as we had recently where the prime minister, high level politicians and police were implicated in a bribery scandal through the Rupert Murdoch/News of the World trial, it sends out a message that the hierarchy in our country are fearful, weak, easily manipulated and bribable, opportunistic criminals themselves. When you have no jobs, no good education, massive social welfare cuts, no hope (we don't have an American Dream, we can all be millionaires, worker ethic, mentality) and absolutely no faith in the leaders and protectors of your country then this is what you get. Somewhere along the line our basic principles of education, family, decency, manners and respect have fallen by the wayside and Britain is now a place where, in some parts of it, local councils can't even hang Christmas decorations for fear of offending someone. You know, because images of Santa and Snow are religious symbols. That's where stuff like these riots start.... you start chipping away at just basic things through fear and a few years later you have this. I am not justifying it, I think these thugs are the lowest scum imaginable and should be rounded up with whatever means possible but if politicians are standing around scratching their heads as to why this is happening then they are bigger idiots than I already thought.