Oh, noooo ...

[strayrider]

... King Hussein is about to repeat one of Whiskey Bill Clinton's mistakes. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1 "Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez." Large firefights employing automatic weapons and grenades. Funny, last gun show I went to had no automatic weapons, or grenades available for sale. Maybe these cartels are getting their arms from the world black market? Possibly from former ComBloc countries? Up from Central, or South America? Of course not. America is to blame for Mexico's problems, and in this case specifically, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of America's gun owners. -stray-

[3pidemiC]

*sigh* We get it. You hate Obama.

[strayrider]

*sigh* We get it. You hate Obama. That's a very challenging observation you've offered there, 3. But let's look at what Hussein himself has offered. From Barack's own web site: "Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets." Such weapons belong on foreign battlefields ... as far as I know, Mexico is a foreign nation. Even if some of these weapons are coming from American sources (and I'm sure they are to a minor extent), aren't they being used exactly where Hussein believes they should be? What's the problem? Fortunately, even Hussein's very own know better than to try and fool us with such a transparent ruse. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...7/1813132.aspx This all boils down to Barry's lack of experience. What worked for him in the "thug-eat-thug" world of Chicago politics, isn't going to fly in the face of mainstream America. Clinton and his Democrats learned that lesson during their turn "at bat". Hussein might be a Communist, but he isn't a very good one tipping his hand so early in the game. He is the ultimate "straw man" here. -stray-

[3pidemiC]

You're welcome to your own opinion, and I respect that. But these politcal rant threads are getting very stale and their only purpose is invoke arguments.

[strayrider]

You're welcome to your own opinion, and I respect that. But these politcal rant threads are getting very stale and their only purpose is invoke arguments. Actually, no, my posts are not intended to invoke any argument. I post about things that interest me and I welcome all comments, pro or con. Heck, I even learn things from the opinions of other people who do not agree with me, and I appreciate the value of that also. If the political "rants" are "getting stale" to you, simply shy away from them. If the mods ask me to stop posting such topics, out of respect for them I will, but do you notice that I keep my "rants" in the General Discussion and do not intrude with them on other forums. I don't really see the problem here. If your comments are just a polite way of asking me to "shut up", my answer to you will be a respectful "no". -stray-

[Eagle Eye]

Once there was a ugly barnacle, He was so ugly everyone died. The End.

[axlish]

Keep fighting the good fight, stray Stray is being quite civil in his discourse. Argue against what he is saying with fact and observation in stead of lamenting the fact that he doesn't worship someone that others consider a hero.

[AcesandEights]

I post about things that interest me and I welcome all comments, pro or con. Heck, I even learn things from the opinions of other people who do not agree with me, and I appreciate the value of that also. If your comments are just a polite way of asking me to "shut up", my answer to you will be a respectful "no". Well, said. I agree with Axlish, that you're always a sterling example of e-decorum here. Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes not so much, but I always respect the way you go about it, Stray (that's why I haven't made fun of your choice of Avatar ). With regards to gun bans, well, I have promised myself to get started down the safe and lawful path towards firearm ownership in NY (the state, not the soviet socialist republic of the same name located on and about the isle of Manhattan). So if anyone has some good basic resources they might care to share, I'd be much obliged. And yes, the Obama presidency was the tipping point for me, I figure I had best obtain a firearm while I still can

[axlish]

Aces, try a gun show if you want one that day It isn't hard to acquire a gun, all you need is cash and patience (although I forget the amount of time you have to wait these days).

[Mike70]

It isn't hard to acquire a gun, all you need is cash and patience (although I forget the amount of time you have to wait these days). that is probably going to vary from state to state. ohio, which has some of the most laid back gun laws in the US, doesn't have a state mandated waiting period (at least it didn't the last time i looked into this). stray, if that has changed let me know.

[strayrider]

Well, said. I agree with Axlish, that you're always a sterling example of e-decorum here. Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes not so much, but I always respect the way you go about it, Stray (that's why I haven't made fun of your choice of Avatar ). I take it you did not believe me to the reincarnation of The Duke? He was a Conservative Republican, you know. Wait a minute, I'm a Liberal Conservative Independent ... never mind. With regards to gun bans, well, I have promised myself to get started down the safe and lawful path towards firearm ownership in NY (the state, not the soviet socialist republic of the same name located on and about the isle of Manhattan). So if anyone has some good basic resources they might care to share, I'd be much obliged. NY firearms law here: http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm You're under the National InstaCheck system. Basically, you go to the gun, or sporting goods store, pick out the gun you wish to purchase and give the dealer something with your social security number on it. If it's on your driver's license, that'll work. If not, you'll need your SS card. The dealer will call your number in to the National "hotline" where you will be checked for any criminal records. If you're "clean", you can purchase the gun and take it home that day. Any type of criminal conviction and you will be denied. These include felonies, domestic violence, drugs, etc. Traffic tickets, littering, loitering or any other petty violations shouldn't hurt you. For rifles and shotguns you will not need a permit. For a pistol, you will. So, if you want a pistol, get a permit first. And yes, the Obama presidency was the tipping point for me, I figure I had best obtain a firearm while I still can Not a bad idea, but I really wouldn't be too paranoid about it. Now excuse me while I go load some more bullets ... that is probably going to vary from state to state. ohio, which has some of the most laid back gun laws in the US, doesn't have a state mandated waiting period (at least it didn't the last time i looked into this). stray, if that has changed let me know. Ohio is also under National InstaCheck. In some urban areas you need a license to own a gun(s). You do not need to register the gun(s), just have a license to own them. In the suburb where I live, no license is needed (it's one of the big reasons I do not live in Dayton ... that and the school system ). -stray-

[Yojimbo]

Well, said. I agree with Axlish, that you're always a sterling example of e-decorum here. Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes not so much, but I always respect the way you go about it, Stray (that's why I haven't made fun of your choice of Avatar ). With regards to gun bans, well, I have promised myself to get started down the safe and lawful path towards firearm ownership in NY (the state, not the soviet socialist republic of the same name located on and about the isle of Manhattan). So if anyone has some good basic resources they might care to share, I'd be much obliged. And yes, the Obama presidency was the tipping point for me, I figure I had best obtain a firearm while I still can Well stated Aces, not only about Stray (who's opinion I respect even though I might not always agree with) but also about getting your legal firearm while you still can.

[Mike70]

Ohio is also under National InstaCheck. In some urban areas you need a license to own a gun(s). You do not need to register the gun(s), just have a license to own them. In the suburb where I live, no license is needed (it's one of the big reasons I do not live in Dayton ... that and the school system ). -stray- yeah, the school systems in dayton and cincinnati don't bear any serious mention. jokes and not particularly funny ones. since i grew up in an unincorporated township, gun ownership was easy. no license nor any other tomfoolery needed. now in cincinnati where the inner city is like a war zone at times (seriously, all bullshit is defo aside) things are a bit different. when the huge riots happened in cincy in 01, i lived right on the edge of one of the white neighborhoods (cincy is one of the more segregated places in the US, there are white neighborhoods and black ones and the twain do not meet) and i could hear the chaos a block or so away from me; gunfire, screaming and yelling, sirens, the police pounding on riot shields and firing rubber bullets- it sucked and was one of the more stressful things i've been through. so i spent two nights sitting up with my shotgun and pistols loaded, ready to repel boarders so to speak. my wife actually asked if we should go stay at my parent's house in anderson and channeling charlton heston from the omega man, i was like hell no, this is our house and no sonofabitch is going to force us out here short of some serious gun play. if i hadn't been armed in the manner i was, i probably would've pulled up stakes and headed to anderson.

[LoSTBoY]

Hehehehh, I read the title of this thread as if the gay guy from family guy was saying it. "Ohh Noooooo!"

[Wyldwraith]

Going to preface by saying I'm a Democrat who voted for Obama, ... ... I think the man is making a HUGE mistake by letting his people drag him into the old quagmire-thinking of trying to shoehorn common semi-automatics used for a variety of law-abiding purposes by law-abiding citizens under the umbrella of "assault weapons". It's nothing but hot-button politics, and ultimately it will deny Obama credibility he will DESPERATELY need if he's is really serious about major bipartisan efforts to effect swift and wide-reaching policy change. C'mon now folks. Let's look at this reasonably. People don't rob liquor and convenience stores with rifles. Gangbangers don't swagger through the hood on their way to cap a rival gang member with AR-15s slung over their shoulders like Vietnam-era G.Is. I am FIRMLY in the camp of wanting AK-47s, Uzis and easily converted to full auto Mac-10s off our streets, but I won't relinquish my right to bear arms because of some histrionics in Washington. What does it say to you when even ardent Obama supporters are enduring temporary (but significant) financial hardships to rush to get any guns they think they're EVER going to want given what our President's posse is up to? I feel very strongly that everyone is entitled to have and express their own opinion. So I'll reiterate mine, and say I'm 100% against any further restrictions on semi-automatic weapons sale to and ownership by law-abiding citizens with clean records. As a final note: Ever notice how when some politician wants to tighten down on ANY sort of firearm they always start off by making an issue of the most extreme case they can find going on anywhere in the world that has the most tenuous of connections to the U.S? I mean, I'm POSITIVE that Mexican drug cartels are being significantly supplied with guns and ammo by America's sporting goods and pawn shops. Funny, the last time I was in Larry's Pawn & Gun I don't remember seeing any AK-47s or Kalishnakovs. Maybe they were behind the pro-2nd Amendment Cloaking Device issued to all anti-gun control shop owners.