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    The US economic Meltdown

    As most of you know, the US is going through a economic crisis that is matching the fury of the Great Depression of the late 1920's and early 1930's. The US Government wants to bail out the fiscally irresponsible, only to do what... Let it happen again. However, I agree iwth Ron Paul on the matter, without the vulgarities he has pretty said, ****'em and I agree.

    Now, I normally don't always agree with the republicans, any republican for that matter, because frankly they are the most fiscally irresponsible political party (See Bush Administration 1 & 2). Now, I find myself in a weird spot in that I agree 100% with Ron Paul. Personally I think he is a democrat masquerading as a republican, but thats a whole other argument. Ron is correct, let these guys fail. They took risks, high risks and jeopardized themselves, bailing them out will only allow this kind of behavior to continue and possibly produce another fiscal disaster, or possibly worsen the one we are already in. Over a year ago, the economy showed signs of trouble, but the Fed and the Administration shrugged it off. We were in a recession then, but no one wanted to say that because if Americans don't spend, then we you have financial collapse, it took the crisis with oil prices to really put a wallop on the system. Gas Prices in the $4+ dollar range forced americans to rethink their daily habits, and in turn everyone at one time just cut back at once, which threw the financial system into turmoil. Turning things upside down.

    CNN's Glen Beck hit the nail on the head when he said "as oil goes down, the economy is gong to crash." Oil drives are economy more than any other single resource. Without the global market, it all comes to a complete halt. If you can't fuel your fleet, to distribute and transport your goods, it is just a matter of time before the economy comes to a screeching halt, and crashes.

    So to this I agree, Let them fail, let them learn lessons from this debacle, and then rebuild themslves in a more fiscally responsible manner. Why should I, John Q. Taxpayer, be burden with paying off the debt of irresponsible people. You got yourselves into this mess, now get yourselves out, and learn the most valuable lesson... Greed Consumes us all.
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    Letting them fail would throw the entire world into a depression. Last week Banks stopped lending money to each other...or anyone else for that matter. When the credit market freezes the world will freeze...no credit cards...no mortgages...no short term credit for business to run. This would be tragic for everyone. They need to act, this might not turn out to bad for the govt.

    They need to install or re-install regulation on the system including credit default swaps, which have none. They need to change the method of marking to market...I know it works in Europe and if it had always been there it might work here, but to just make them do it was wrong and threw a monkey wrench into the process. They need to act and they will, but hopefully the ceos will not prosper by this, but take responsibility.

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    I doubt the CEO's will take responsibility, especially when they give each other Million upon millions in bonuses.

    I don't see how this will come out on the upside, considering the debt they are selling the gov't is all bad debt. No the good debt like My Mortgage or Car oan, but the debt of loan in default or foreclosure. Where is the smart business in that?
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    The UK is going through the exact same thing,the labour party has bankrupted us & completely destabilised our economy!Yet browns solution is to keep throwing eye watering sums of money at other countries & pet projects.The western world is going to suffer financially over the next few years i think,while china is set to boom!

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    this is ridiculous, they are making fools of us right now and have been. so that means they can only afford $600 per person but can give the stock market 700 billion dollars........nice.....real nice.

    as my mom once said "when the government over spends,they put it on the ballot or just give themselves our tax dollars, but what if i over spend? how come i cant put it on the ballot?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG View Post
    Let them fail, let them learn lessons from this debacle, and then rebuild themslves in a more fiscally responsible manner. Why should I, John Q. Taxpayer, be burden with paying off the debt of irresponsible people. You got yourselves into this mess, now get yourselves out, and learn the most valuable lesson... Greed Consumes us all.
    I agree,these irresponsible people need to learn from this.

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    I am glad to know that Congress hasn't just caved in quickly like some expected. They at least made them answer for what happened and is going to happen, but Believe me, there better be some oversight in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy911sc View Post
    Letting them fail would throw the entire world into a depression. Last week Banks stopped lending money to each other...or anyone else for that matter. When the credit market freezes the world will freeze...no credit cards...no mortgages...no short term credit for business to run. This would be tragic for everyone. They need to act, this might not turn out to bad for the govt.

    They need to install or re-install regulation on the system including credit default swaps, which have none. They need to change the method of marking to market...I know it works in Europe and if it had always been there it might work here, but to just make them do it was wrong and threw a monkey wrench into the process. They need to act and they will, but hopefully the ceos will not prosper by this, but take responsibility.
    Quote Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG View Post
    As most of you know, the US is going through a economic crisis that is matching the fury of the Great Depression of the late 1920's and early 1930's. The US Government wants to bail out the fiscally irresponsible, only to do what... Let it happen again. However, I agree iwth Ron Paul on the matter, without the vulgarities he has pretty said, ****'em and I agree.

    Now, I normally don't always agree with the republicans, any republican for that matter, because frankly they are the most fiscally irresponsible political party (See Bush Administration 1 & 2). Now, I find myself in a weird spot in that I agree 100% with Ron Paul. Personally I think he is a democrat masquerading as a republican, but thats a whole other argument. Ron is correct, let these guys fail. They took risks, high risks and jeopardized themselves, bailing them out will only allow this kind of behavior to continue and possibly produce another fiscal disaster, or possibly worsen the one we are already in. Over a year ago, the economy showed signs of trouble, but the Fed and the Administration shrugged it off. We were in a recession then, but no one wanted to say that because if Americans don't spend, then we you have financial collapse, it took the crisis with oil prices to really put a wallop on the system. Gas Prices in the $4+ dollar range forced americans to rethink their daily habits, and in turn everyone at one time just cut back at once, which threw the financial system into turmoil. Turning things upside down.

    CNN's Glen Beck hit the nail on the head when he said "as oil goes down, the economy is gong to crash." Oil drives are economy more than any other single resource. Without the global market, it all comes to a complete halt. If you can't fuel your fleet, to distribute and transport your goods, it is just a matter of time before the economy comes to a screeching halt, and crashes.

    So to this I agree, Let them fail, let them learn lessons from this debacle, and then rebuild themslves in a more fiscally responsible manner. Why should I, John Q. Taxpayer, be burden with paying off the debt of irresponsible people. You got yourselves into this mess, now get yourselves out, and learn the most valuable lesson... Greed Consumes us all.

    First off the system sucks. The case has always been that the rich get richer and escape accountability. While we get sh8t and have to shoulder the finacial burden of our elected officials screw ups ( see Iraq war ) How can I get into that business? Let's see, i get all of the reward and assume none of the risk. If we go under the tax payer foots the bill. Damn, where do i sign up for that one?

    As is always the case when a system just doesn't work anymore.( see two party system ) Do you really think those in power are going to give it up? The only way to replace a system is if the old one dies or is killed. You can't have a new king if the old one is still alive.

    it's like getting the flu. Sure it sucks and you suffer but when it's over ypur better for it. Your immune system is stronger and you dropped a few pounds. And we could sure cut some excess weight around here.
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    And this is why Ron Paul is my write in fo President

    Guy is a fiscal genius and predicted this years ago.

    I hate our government.
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    i'm almost hoping for a great depression type deal where kids aren't handed cars as soon as they turn 16, everyone has a cell phone, ipod, xbox360, ps3, 60 inch plasma tv, four vehicles for a family with 2 drivers, 400k houses that they can't afford,etc.

    americans are, for the most part, spoiled, fat, lazy, and ungrateful dipsh!ts.

    i think that corporate and individual greed are to blame, and i don't see why i should have to fork over any more of my $$$ to ensure that the "american way of life", which as i've already stated, is bullsh!t materialism at its finest, can go on.

    bring back the dark ages, i say

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    are we talking pre deoderant/toilet paper era? The horror.
    FEAR IS THE OLDEST TOOL OF POWER. IF WE ARE DISTRACTED BY THE FEAR OF THOSE AROUND US THEN IT KEEPS US FROM SEEING THE ACTIONS OF THOSE ABOVE US.

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    Why should the tax payers foot the bill for this mess? What about the CEO's and others responsible for the entire mess? What fines do they pay? What are they penalized? Which of them lose their jobs? Who is accountable??

    I am angeling myself for being paid in cash, that way I can claim I don't earn anything and I can pay for my own healthcare (which I do already) and don't have to give my money away to the government anymore. I was laid off in 2001 and have been struggling ever since! My states unemployment rate is at 10%!

    I ain't paying **** for this mess!

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    Now folk will have to learn to do without and settle within their means.

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    I cannot wait, until I receive my 2nd college degree. So, I can get a great paying job and not have to worry about this bullsh!t. Hopefully, one more year.

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