Batten down the hatches UK folk, its gonna get messy...

[Tricky]

http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16107350 Looks like the Eurozone is going to rip itself apart very soon, what this may lead to is anyones guess but even in the short term its going to mean financial disaster for everyone including Britain Will we see another European war like WW2? Will we see civil war within countries who's economy and governments have collapsed? will we all be fighting each other in the streets for food and water if a real depression kicks in? or will it all just blow over and we'll all go back to normal after a year or so? I've always thought the EU was a bad idea and have always been opposed to it, for the very reason it is now falling apart - We're all very different people with different cultures, work ethics and standards of living, trying to make us all live under one currency and government with one leader and one flag was always going to end up like it has now. As a trade organisation the EU was a good idea, but all the other bullshit that has come later was just wrong. The one thing thats really got me about this crisis is that despite the fact its been rolling on constantly in the news for months now, I havent seen any televised or written statements from the so called EU president up until now, I would have thought he would have had something to say but apparently not! All the reported dialogue seems to be coming from Angela Merkel, Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron & George Papandreou I'm glad to see the loathesome EU falling apart but I'm just concerned about the consequences of the fallout, mainly how it will affect work, wages and inflation. What do others think? any opinions?

[Legion2213]

The old "EU stops war myth" is just that, a myth. The Warsaw Pact/NATO stand off did a fine job in that regard, no EU required. There won't be any wars, there will be some serious financial fallout though, and it's been pretty obvious that hard times are coming for a few years. Still, it's a victory for sovereignty and democracy, any government allowing the EU to dictate it's budgets, finance and spending should be put up against a wall and shot. We in the UK need to start sucking up to our commonwealth and other non-EU trading partners to try and drum up a bit more trade though, I think the EU accounts for about %40 of our export market (as we account for a similar level of theirs). All that said, this "swivel eyed, xenophobic little Englander" (tm the Guardian) is going to take great pleasure in saying "I told you so" to the cult of EU integration" types when it all goes down the shitter. Especially those types who banged on about the UK getting "left behind" and left out of the glorious thousand year euroreich". Wankers. -- -------- Post added at 10:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:30 PM ---------- And just so there is no confusion: For myself and many other anti EU types, the EU does NOT equal Europe, the nations of Europe or the people of Europe. The EU was a vanity project, a power grab by unaccountable elites who had no right to push it further than a practical trade agreement between close nations who shared borders.

[Andy]

The eurozone has been a disaster from the very beginning and ive always said so, it was a very badly thought out scheme that was doomed never to work. We should of got out of it years ago and we would have if not for blair and brown sailing us down the river to line their own pockets.

[Sammich]

All of this can be traced back to the fraudulent and cirminal acts by wall street and the "too big to fail" loan sharks (banks). Iceland should serve as a model to all of the countries that have been raped and pillaged by these money junkies. Let the banks fail, fire the corrupted government that allowed it to happen and then punish those responsible with long jail sentences.

[EvilNed]

Oh, no. How horrible. Maybe we can ask Russia for help?

[Legion2213]

Oh, no. How horrible. Maybe we can ask Russia for help? well, the mighty EU (supposed counter balance to the US, China and Russia) has already been to China with the begging bowl and been told to fuck off (anybody spot the irony there?), so I suppose the US and Russia are next on the begging letter list. What a pathetic joke they are.

[Tricky]

well, the mighty EU (supposed counter balance to the US, China and Russia) has already been to China with the begging bowl and been told to fuck off (anybody spot the irony there?), so I suppose the US and Russia are next on the begging letter list. What a pathetic joke they are. Very pathetic indeed, and to think the EU had designs on becoming a superpower to rival the US, China and Russia a few years ago.

[Sammich]

The ONLY economic system that has a chance at surviving long term is one solidly backed by manufacturing as was the U.S. before the mass exodus of job offshoring occured. The current system in the U.S. is being driven by big banks and wall street snake oil salesmen "gaming" the system and wall street is nothing more than the world's largest open air casino. Most of this "gaming" (especially the mortgage backed security fraud) is the equivalent making it legal for a doctor and all of his buddies to take out life insurance policies on his terminally ill patients. Another analogy of what was going on can be seen in the movie "The Producers". It is really unfortunate that the european countries got suckered into this trap. The biggest issue that I have with many of the occupy wall street protesters is that they are completely mistaken that capitalism is at fault. In capitalism you rise or fall upon your own merits. In other words if the U.S. was truly capitalist then there would be no TARP or quantitative easing, there would be no such thing as "too big to fail" and there would be hundreds if not thousands of criminal money junkies sitting in jail. What has happened is the merger of state and corporate power which is called corporatism, corporate welfare, or more accurately FASCISM. Private profits are kept private, but private losses are forced upon the public by those in the bought and paid for government. If you don't believe it, look at how the interests of big agriculture, big pharma, movie and music industries, and the already mentioned "too big to fail" financial corporations have metastasized their way into government and been given precedence over the rights and freedoms of us peons. At the very crux of all of this is allowing a private central bank (the federal reserve) to create money out of nothing, backed by nothing, then loan it to the government at interest. In reality, the moment a dollar comes rolling off of the press there is more owed on it than exists. Here is a very good explanation: THE ELEVENTH MARBLE http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...11thmarble.php

[Mike70]

[/COLOR]And just so there is no confusion: For myself and many other anti EU types, the EU does NOT equal Europe, the nations of Europe or the people of Europe. The EU was a vanity project, a power grab by unaccountable elites who had no right to push it further than a practical trade agreement between close nations who shared borders. i think you've hit it right off. the EU was a vanity project. a silly ass dream that somehow the entire European continent could morph itself into a version of the United States. where you have a federal european govt. and each of the member countries act like states. that was doomed to fucking failure from jump street and the only people who didn't see it were the morons, over educated beyond their intellect, who were selling this stinking pile of shit as gold nuggets. the US has its problems but thank fuck i don't live in the EU nor will i ever. one day, finally Germany and France will get fucking tired of having to find ways of bailing out shithouse countries like Greece and this whole fucking fiasco will come to an end. -- -------- Post added at 02:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:02 PM ---------- Very pathetic indeed, and to think the EU had designs on becoming a superpower to rival the US, China and Russia a few years ago. you mean the europe where only the UK, Norway (not a member of the EU), and Denmark have any balls left militarily?

[Tricky]

you mean the europe where only the UK, Norway (not a member of the EU), and Denmark have any balls left militarily? Good point although UK troops may have balls of steel and are f*cking good at their jobs, but successive goverments have raped the defence budget & we would barely even be able to defend the falklands these days, never mind being committed to full scale operations. I'd love to know what the government plans to fight Iran with after all the bluster and supposedly "drawing up plans" last week, but thats another story.

[Rancid Carcass]

I'd love to know what the government plans to fight Iran with after all the bluster and supposedly "drawing up plans" last week. We're going back to using the longbow, but because of all the budget cuts we're gonna have to share, one between two.

[Mike70]

We're going back to using the longbow, but because of all the budget cuts we're gonna have to share, one between two. maybe the MOD can try the old WWII soviet philosophy: issue one rifle to two guys and wait for one to get killed, so the other can use it.

[erisi236]

Just from an outsiders perspective, I'm dumbfounded that place like Greece and Italy just sit back and take it as their elected Governments are sacked and replaced by unelected technocrats installed by outside powers. Were these countries invaded and annexed while no one was looking? When did the EU morph into the USSR, or was it always that from the start?

[Legion2213]

Just from an outsiders perspective, I'm dumbfounded that place like Greece and Italy just sit back and take it as their elected Governments are sacked and replaced by unelected technocrats installed by outside powers. Were these countries invaded and annexed while no one was looking? When did the EU morph into the USSR, or was it always that from the start? Absolutely incredible is it not? The sooner this disgusting power grab and the people behind it are extinguished the better, and that is for all the people of Europe, especially those who have had their sovereignty usurped by this sinister organisation.

[EvilNed]

maybe the MOD can try the old WWII soviet philosophy: issue one rifle to two guys and wait for one to get killed, so the other can use it. Can people stop spreading that myth around? Fucking Enemy at the Gates.