Those 4 'rules' is the tip of the law's iceberg though surely. That's the main mantra that is repeated about the law, but it goes beyond that and is an exceptionally dangerous law - one that mixes justly bannable stuff that is unarguably wrong, with things of 'different taste' and are consensual and not at all wrong by law - it's been opposed by a whole swathe of groups, even feminist groups have opposed this law.
As for 'simulated kiddy porn' as you keep banging on about, of course that's dodgy, but how do you mean simulated?
I think kiddy porn is the exception to all rules in a way, like ... that truly is the tip of the iceberg, which sits high above anything else and is just ghastly.
Also, that's what I was saying, the sheer man hours and deliberation and no doubt the amount of form filling and beaurocracy (which this gubment loves so dearly) would also add to it being impossible, then add the variables of personal taste, individual ideas/assumptions/theories and then a whole cavalcade more such as how tired is the person, have they seen too much porn during their job and as a result become more innured to it, and so on...
As for bondage, there's people being tied up, sometimes I guess part of the 'role play' of it all is to make it look forced upon the 'victim', there's the kidnap angle probably (which I mentioned before, although on that Sin Cities it wasn't really a bondage thing I think, it was mainly about the kidnap fantasy angle, although technically I think bondage was involved...really confusing) ... anyway... bondage/BDSM and such can be 'violent' or appear as such - aye, "appear", laws shouldn't really be based on "appear", which is essentially like using "might".
For example, you jail somebody who IS a burglar, not someone who MIGHT be a burglar ... if that makes sense, can't be arsed to come up with a better analogy...anyway...erm, where was I?
It's interesting that in the likes of Japan - where pornography is freely available (to most ages as well I think), the cases of sexual crimes have fallen dramatically, drastically even.
It's a similar line (when you think of the Longhurst case, in this context) to videogames. Games are perceived by nutters who don't understand them to make people into murderers, when in actuality being pre-disposed and already capable of such an act makes you a murderer.
Some people are just capable of murder, or rape, or whatever - but the vast, vast majority are not - then there's the difference between reality and fiction, as well as an interesting point that Mista Mo made - people who watch a particular type of porn, but wouldn't want to be involved in it in person at all, now that's an interesting point to add to the discussion.
Anyway, back to the Longhurst thing, that nutter who did it visited rape fantasy websites apparently, and then he took this woman and raped and murdered her (perhaps doing the former after the latter as well). Now - did the sites make him do it?
The question is relative, the main factor is that the man responsible was capable of doing it, unlike the vast majority of people. Regardless of his access to such sites, he was going to do it. Perhaps the sites delayed him, and maybe if he hadn't had those sites he might have done it more than just that once - so more women might have suffered, or he might have done something even stronger (like that psycho Fritzel bloke  ).
Also, with such sites as those the Longhurst murderer was visiting - they aren't hosted in the UK, they're beyond British jurisdiction. Also - surely they should be targetting the source, if they're so bothered. If a dictator wants to starve their people, they don't take the food from each family, they cut all the families off from their food supply ... a grim analogy, but it was the first one I could think of.
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Essentially this legislation requires perception of the grey areas and of taste matters, but it doesn't give a bollocks really. As I said, it takes the clearly wrong, then mashes that in with porn that the gubment personally finds distasteful, which is in itself wrong to do.
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It's not in the same league, and there's nothing wrong with being turned on by a photo of a girl apparently being tied up and whipped (or whatever) when you know damn well it isn't actually real. Fantasy is quantitatively different from reality, psychologically as well as in terms of actual crime rates etc.
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