New BNP leaflets

[capncnut]

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[SRP76]

That's funny, but I don't really think it's fair to single them out. Every political party puts out fake-ass testimonials to push its "ideals". These jokers just happened to get caught in the act.

[krakenslayer]

The thing that non-UK members should understand about the BNP is that they are literally a Fascist party - not in a "oh, you're against immigration so you must be racist" way, but in a very real sense. It's only a couple of years since they started playing down their policy of Holocaust denial and eased back on openly campaigning on "rights for whites". Many of their members are former Nazi skinheads and they have historical ties with White supremacist organizations. Their original name was the National Front. The most absurd thing about their recent campaign is that they have been using the angle of "our grandfathers didn't fight in the Second World War we could be overrun with Muslims, blacks, Jews and Poles", in an attempt to divert the nation's hatred of Fascism away from the actual Fascists and onto immigrants and their descendants.

[Danny]

That's funny, but I don't really think it's fair to single them out. Every political party puts out fake-ass testimonials to push its "ideals". These jokers just happened to get caught in the act. no dude, these people really are one of the worst examples out there right now, there currently starting a movement the media has dubbed "the britler youth" to try and "catch em young and teach em white is right" and teach them firearms and give them prizes in exchange for 3 hours a week "patriotism" and reporting anyone who has an ethnicity to the immigration board. my counties right next to one where these guys have the majority vote and ive seen them trying to rally people and actively heckle and threaten uni students who arent white. these people are monsters. Hell there the first party ive heard of in my lifetime that the church of England has actively dissuaded people from voting for.

[Dtothe3]

I'm not a fan of our immigration policies, but these dudes are to stay away from. I used to play "Mob Wars" on facebook quite a bit, added random members to get my numbers up. A BNP member turned up in my friendslist. Once spotted I eradicated all unknowns and have barely played since. Those dudes are beyond sick and stupid. The worst thing is, they believe their own shit.

[MinionZombie]

Everytime you see a doc about them, or one of their cretinous brood interview on telly, it just makes my skin crawl and my anger boil. They're apparently "all for" the Gurkhas now ... except that not that long ago they were calling the very same Gurkhas "mercenaries" who shouldn't be allowed in our country. Absolutely disgusting, so they are. What we need is for them to be forcefully and publically challenged on every single 'policy' they have, for they prey on the angry, mob-minded, and uneducated (either those who dropped out of school and never got an education, or those who are uneducated about their politics). They way the BNP have been hijacking "damn-straight" issues and smearing them with their hate-filled filth is sickening. ... As for the picture - haha, how ironic ... that mistake would have been more delicious if they were non-white though (indeed, you must be white to be a member of the BNP) ... actually, I'm amazed the BNP isn't somehow illegal. ... Also - you never guess what I got in the post yesterday, addressed to me - a "vote Labour" leaflet! Fuckin' ewwwww!!! I shredded that bastard quick smart. Needless to say, they didn't get my vote yesterday.

[capncnut]

Also - you never guess what I got in the post yesterday, addressed to me - a "vote Labour" leaflet! Fuckin' ewwwww!!! I shredded that bastard quick smart. Needless to say, they didn't get my vote yesterday. No one got my vote yesterday and no one will in the future. As much as I hate the BNP, I would rather vote for scum like them than Labour, Conservative or Liberals. I used to be conservative but now I detest anyone in the 'big three' - they are all liars. None of them are worth a carat.

[Publius]

No one got my vote yesterday and no one will in the future. As much as I hate the BNP, I would rather vote for scum like them than Labour, Conservative or Liberals. I used to be conservative but now I detest anyone in the 'big three' - they are all liars. None of them are worth a carat. How about UKIP? There are plenty of minor parties if you don't like the big three. If you hate all of the big guys, might as well vote for one of the little guys whose policies you like. There's bound to be one.

[Danny]

How about UKIP? There are plenty of minor parties if you don't like the big three. If you hate all of the big guys, might as well vote for one of the little guys whose policies you like. There's bound to be one. yeah i gotta agree, in uni today we were talking about who we were voting for adn most people were saying brown over cameron or vice versa because they hate the other more, but honestly, picking the lesser of two douchebags is stil a douchebag, brown comes off as the bullied kid who got put in charge of the class and now wants to be bitter, and cameron comes across as a total creep, in the wormtongue true sense of the word, he genuinely reminds me of from the lord of the rings. Plus stephen king put it best, something like "im not right or left wing, i have politcal views across the map unique to each topic, becuase im a human bieng not a set piece to be palced in a group",pretentious as hell, but i get the meaning. surprisingly the lib dems are getting votes around here, normally there never even considered.

[MinionZombie]

Ironically, the 'lefty' Labour crowd of the last 12 years have been far more right-wing than the current-day 'righty' Conservative Party. I don't 'get' anyone who says Cameron's a "creep" - James Purnell, aka "Photoshopper", that dude comes off as a creep - just look at Purnell's face, you know he's scheming shit - and, shock-horror, he turned out to be a right schemer, resigning one minute after the polls closed last night and flamed Brown in his resignation letter, kicking off a real whirlwind around that bullying thug with no vision (that's not a sight joke, I mean "vision" as in ideas) that is Brown. The Conservatives today don't resemble the party of their past, same goes for Labour today not resembling their past. The LibDems are not anything - they're too big to be a pressure group, and they're too small to be an actual party of any grunt. Change won't come from voting UKIP or any of that lot of small parties - they're one-note wonders (UKIP is Europe - I don't agree with exiting entirely, instead pulling our bodies out and leaving our toes dangling in the water ... Green is about hugging trees and composting their poo ... BNP is about being racist ... Monster Raving Loony Party is about taking the piss out of democracy ... and then there's even more of the fuckers). Voting in spite is pointless - if you want to be spiteful, don't vote. If you don't know much about any of the parties: A) Do some research, then make an educated decision. B) Stay at home and don't vote. Voting for a bunch of little fishes in a massive pond is no good either, because it dilutes the actual votes which will actually bring about something different for Britain - which we sorely need (this withering bunch of morons in #10 right now are hideously ill-prepared, and then many more bad things). It's like "proportional representation" - no thanks - you'll just end up with too many cooks spoiling a thoroughly rotten "hung parliament" broth, and then you'll end up like some shoddy European/African country which can't get its act together. Fact is, a whole mess of small parties is retarded on its own - you need a handful of large parties, which fully fleshed-out and realised ideas and policies, not a rabble of odds-shouting one-note-non-wonders getting in the way of the three main parties. In my view, if you don't agree, don't bloomin' vote. I despise protest voting. Protest by not voting, I say.

[Publius]

I despise protest voting. Protest by not voting, I say. How do they know what you're protesting if you don't vote? E.g. if a lot of people started voting for the Libertarian party, the big parties would know that the voters thought they were all too statist. If a lot of people started voting for the communist or socialist parties, the big parties would know that the voters thought they were all too capitalist. But a non-vote can communicate anything from general dissatisfaction to satisfied complacency.

[krakenslayer]

I used to not bother with voting because I think generally all politicians are shitebags. Then I realised that huge numbers of people do the same as I did, and that the drop in regular voters was leading to higher and higher percentages of votes going towards fear/hate-mongering parties like the BNP because their voters are paranoid, opinionated nutbags who will ALWAYS vote. Therefore, I figured voting for the least shitebaggy of a shitebaggy lot really was the best option - the politicians aren't going to go home and cry because they didn't get my vote, they'll just start pandering to the remaining (increasingly extremist) voters in order to get into power - and now I vote every chance I get. And fuck tactical voting, I'll vote for whoever I agree with the most, whatever the size of the party. If everyone did that, then we'd be free of Lab-Con bullshit.

[MinionZombie]

How do they know what you're protesting if you don't vote? E.g. if a lot of people started voting for the Libertarian party, the big parties would know that the voters thought they were all too statist. If a lot of people started voting for the communist or socialist parties, the big parties would know that the voters thought they were all too capitalist. But a non-vote can communicate anything from general dissatisfaction to satisfied complacency. They'd know all-too-well from the lack of people voting - e.g. in Salford (I think that's the one), they had a local election/by-election (somethingeruther), and the turn out was a dramatically low 17% - I mean that's pathetic, even for whatever type of election it was they were holding. Protest voting gets in the way of actually getting any change whatsoever, it plays into the hands of getting stuck with the same shower of shites who have been shitting all your country. America got their change, and a number of other countries have also gotten their change recently - now it's Britain's turn, goddamnit! Also, I'd much rather have folk that know sod-all about politics not voting at all - the sorts like you see on Newsnight getting interviewed, they just mumble the same factually untrue lines like "they're all the same" and "they're all thieves", and they clearly don't pay any attention to the news, let alone bother going online to check out the respective party websites - which clearly state each partie's case and ideas - ergo, I'd much rather such people not vote. Then there's people who don't care about politics at all, or say "they're all as bad as each other" (which is again a spurious opinion), and again I'd much rather them not vote at all. Leave voting to those who really believe in the choice they make, that's what I say - ergo, I can't abide protest voting, or people just crossing any old box.

[Publius]

Also, I'd much rather have folk that know sod-all about politics not voting at all - the sorts like you see on Newsnight getting interviewed, they just mumble the same factually untrue lines like "they're all the same" and "they're all thieves", and they clearly don't pay any attention to the news, let alone bother going online to check out the respective party websites - which clearly state each partie's case and ideas - ergo, I'd much rather such people not vote. Then there's people who don't care about politics at all, or say "they're all as bad as each other" (which is again a spurious opinion), and again I'd much rather them not vote at all. Leave voting to those who really believe in the choice they make, that's what I say - ergo, I can't abide protest voting, or people just crossing any old box. I certainly agree with you there. High voter turnout is not necessarily a good thing in itself. My point was aimed at those who are interested and do care, but can't stand voting for any of the major parties. For such people, I think voting for the minor party that best represents one's views is preferable to not voting. Otherwise such a person's non-vote can't be distinguished from the non-voting of all those you talk about who don't know and don't care anything about politics.

[MinionZombie]

I certainly agree with you there. High voter turnout is not necessarily a good thing in itself. My point was aimed at those who are interested and do care, but can't stand voting for any of the major parties. For such people, I think voting for the minor party that best represents one's views is preferable to not voting. Otherwise such a person's non-vote can't be distinguished from the non-voting of all those you talk about who don't know and don't care anything about politics. Fair point well made.