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    Death Proof (extended)...

    Just saw this recently (I'd seen Grindhouse in it's proper form a while back, downloaded it as such as soon as I heard we were getting f*cked over by the Weinsteins).

    Anyway, I dug it then, although after the rather fast paced and violent Planet Terror, it's a real gear change, and probably should have gone first in the double-bill line up.

    Anyway, saw the extended cut and I really dug it, more than last time. The new footage doesn't add much more Stuntman Mike, but it does add more - and that's the point, both of Mike but also the girls (mainly the girls I guess). Anyway, the dialogue isn't as superb as Tarantino is known for, but I duno, I think that's become a "buzz argument" over the film, but watching it again I appreciated it more and it did feel like classic Tarantino, and what's more, it pulled me in and I actually got into the vibe of the two sets of girls' stories - night out on the town, and in search of a thrill ride.

    One annoying thing though, the first half has a lot of the grindhouse scratches and glitches and reel changes and splices and such - but then this almost completely vanishes in the second half, which is really, really, really odd. Is this just an oversight? Is this to suggest it's two movies about the same psycho-tagonist spliced together? Notice that at the beginning the "original" title for the film is shown before it cuts to white text on black renaming it "Death Proof".

    Anyway, aside from that one annoyance, I totally dig the film. Out of it and Planet Terror, it's the one which feels the most like a true grindhouse film. It's fairly simple things that would be do-able on a lower budget (mainly talking, "normal" car stunts and some gore), whereas Planet Terror has a lot of stars (more than Death Proof I'd say) and has loads of gore, lots of big action set pieces and so on - basically, Planet Terror wouldn't be do-able on a grindhouse budget, but Death Proof feels as if it could be (aside from the odd crane or dolly shot which take it beyond the usual grindhouse constraints).

    Basically, take a film like "Don't Look in the Basement", it's mainly talking with little action, but it's entirely advertised around the action...so when you kind of look at the grindhouse flicks of the era, and then look at Death Proof, it really does feel like that sort of experience...whereas Rodriguez took certain ideas and then modernised them, while Tarantino tried to emulate low budget exploitation flicks of 30 years ago.

    As for the film itself, brilliantly edited by Sally Menke, it really completes Tarantino's vision (I don't think his flicks would be as good without her on board, and similarly his films are probably the best she's worked on...or at least I could imagine her saying that in an interview). The choice of music is typically Tarantino and really works well within the movie.

    It could do with the odd improvement, and more Mike...but considering the sorts of films he's emulating, it makes a lot of sense in how it was put together, almost to nerd-riffic proportions, like a checklist of genre themes, styles, do's and don'ts.

    All in all, I really dig it.

    All said and done though, I ain't buying squat of either DP or PT until they pimp out a proper DVD, with the film as-it-should-be, including the extended stuff allowing you to view 'as-you-want' (a bit like they did with Sin City) and more extras than the separate discs are offering. I'm not ditching cash only for it to be wasted in favour of a better edition a few months later, and I'm sure other Grindhouse fans think the same thing.

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    Grindhouse was the best theater experience I've ever had, so I couldn't wait to get my hands on the DVD. I watched the extended cut last night, and I agree, its excellent. Its paced perfectly. Quinten Tarantino knew that all that girl talk would be grating to ANYONE after half an hour, no matter how well the dialogue was put together. It becomes obvious, as the movie comes to its climax, that it was all a buildup to the last 20 minutes. I also noticed the grainy film filter was gone about halfway through, becoming most obvious when it switches from black and white to color.

    Kurt Russell as Stuntman Mike was brilliant, and his 180 degree change from hunter to hunted near the end was utterly hilarious! I just wish he had more screen time in the second half. Also, the winks to the audience from Quentin were great (Abernathy's ring tone, the girl calling Stuntman Mike "Zatoichi", Big Kahuna Burger, etc.)
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    i havent seen it and because its not going to be released the same way here i dont plan on watching it a way the directors did not intend. I think thats definatley gonna efect more sales than they thought it would worldwide.


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    Although apparently neither Rodriguez or especially Tarantino mind that they're split up...as for Death Proof, it's extended. So it's not the same flick as in Grindhouse. It's totally worth seeing on it's own, it's just a shame we got shafted.

    I wanna see it again, but this time in the cinema-plex-building-emporium.

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    The only thing thats different from the theatrical version of Death Proof (as far as I know) is the lapdance scene got cut out, replaced with a "missing reel" frame for about 5 seconds. Same goes for Planet Terror, except the missing reel was a big bloody gunfight with zombies.

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    Erm, I think there's a bunch of new stuff in Death Proof actually...

    *runs off to t'internet*

    Tarantino has said:

    There is half-an-hour's difference between my Death Proof and what is playing in Grindhouse.
    I certainly remember seeing a bunch of new stuff that I hadn't seen in the Grindhouse version.

    http://www.variety.com/index.asp?lay...33735&cs=1&p=0

    Yep, it's 27 minutes longer than the Grindhouse cut.

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    No ****?? I'll have to go back and check that out.

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    just whent on the cineworld site to see if king of kong was getting a uk release (it aint) and yeah, theres deathproof, but not only is it seperated form planet terror without the grind house things like missing reel and trailers and whathave you theres no mention of planet terror in any way, so if it gets released there not even coming out in the same month then.

    This officially blows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hellsing View Post
    just whent on the cineworld site to see if king of kong was getting a uk release (it aint) and yeah, theres deathproof, but not only is it seperated form planet terror without the grind house things like missing reel and trailers and whathave you theres no mention of planet terror in any way, so if it gets released there not even coming out in the same month then.

    This officially blows.
    I don't know about where you guys are, but that's how it is here. We get "Death Proof" in about 2 weeks and then won't get "Planet Terror" for another month or two. Neither dvd comes with the faux trailers, either...

    I'm hoping for a future release with both films as seen in the theater(US) and also the films seperated.

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    no, dude im on about the uk cinema releases, no dvd, they arent actually out in engladn at all yet, death proofs coming soon to theaters, but planet terrors not even mentioned, so its pretty much nothing like the origional product the filmmakers had in mind.

    ive been holding off bootleggin' a copy of the proper grindhouse but i think im gonna have to now.


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    This is old news folks, the Weinstein's confirmed us lot were getting them split up months ago - hence why I downloaded a proper version of it off t'internet. Pic and sound wasn't sh*t hot, but I got to see it "as intended" pretty much.

    Death Proof comes out on the 21st September, Planet Terror will follow a month or two later in our cinemas, as confirmed by Total Film. I see QT is appearing on "friday night with johnathon ross", so that'll be to pimp it a week before it's released.

    Planet Terror will follow a while afterwards, kinda like how the DVDs are getting pimped in America.

    And hell yes, give us a proper full-on monster DVD of Grindhouse already! So we can watch it however we want, separated-and-extended or as-intended-with-trailers-and-such. Then a shedload more extras than what is gonna be on offer on the two separate discs.

    That's why I'm not buying the two releases, I'm waiting for the proper release, hopefully they don't drag their asses on it, because I wanna see it, but I'll be damned if I'm paying over £30 for two films that should be in the same set as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoinReturn View Post
    The only thing thats different from the theatrical version of Death Proof (as far as I know) is the lapdance scene got cut out, replaced with a "missing reel" frame for about 5 seconds. Same goes for Planet Terror, except the missing reel was a big bloody gunfight with zombies.
    I don't know which theatrical release you saw, but the missing reel frame was in the theatrical release in both films and in each at sexual scenes. The missing reel part is still in the dvd release. The extended cut of Death Proof has a new beginning and also the beginning of the second half is much different plus there was a lot of added dialogue.

    Overall, I feel the extended cut is not as good as the theatrical release, it seems like it is much too long even though its only about 30 minutes added. I still like it, but like others have said, I am not buying it until the special edition comes out with both movies together like they should have been released originally.
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    i imagine the reason that they're doing the dvd release(s) the way they are is so that they can get everyone to fork up the bucks for each movie on its own, then after those hits the $5 bargain bin, they'll give us the proper balls-out 5 disc special edition, and everyone will line up to buy those too. if i remember correctly, grindhouse didn't fare as well in theaters as they'd predicted, so if that's true, they're gonna try to recover their losses any way they can...

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    Tarantino can pad out Death Proof all he likes. I was promised a double bill and I WONT be viewing until said double bill is released.

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    Death Proof is like in the top 160 films on IMDB!
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